"Racial Balance" Programs Are Racist

[thinkaboutit]

In Meredith v. Jefferson County Board of Education and Parents Involved in Community Schools v. Seattle School District No. 1, the Supreme Court will decide whether government schools can ship students around to different schools in the name of achieving a "racial balance." What are the boards of education in question really advocating? Racism.

Back in the 1950s, when some schools were segregated by race, a monstrous injustice existed. Many students were prevented from going to the best schools because of their skin color--a completely non-essential characteristic. That was racism.

Today's proposed "racial balance" programs also prevent some students from going to the best schools available to them because of their skin color. This too is racism. Anytime the government arbitrarily treats some of its citizens differently, it commits a horrendous injustice. Let's hope the Supreme Court remembers that one of its functions is to protect the individual against the government's abuse of power.

[mrjiggyfly2]

I don't like it either. I'm not sure what the best way is to equal the playing field at a young age. It's a tough issue because some kids are more fortunate than others to live in affluent homes and neighborhoods with better schools. I don't think the govt has the right answer though. I certainly don't like anybody getting into a school or not getting into a school because of their skin color.

I believe this type of forced integration was instituted in Boston in the 70's with disasterous results.

[Kirkus]

Until all public schools are equal in quality, I mean really equal, there will be bad schools, good schools, better schools, and the best schools. And the best schools are in the affluent, mostly white communities.

I agree with thinkaboutit. These proposed "racial balance" programs are racist. Plain and simple.

I agree with the Jigster. I'm not sure what the best solution is. But I'm convinced this isn't it.

This country has to start pouring money into it's public school system. And the money needs to go to the poorest communities first. The level playing field isn't going to be found by moving students around. It's going to be found by equalizing and raising the competency of public education.

[middaystar]

Until all public schools are equal in quality, I mean really equal, there will be bad schools, good schools, better schools, and the best schools. And the best schools are in the affluent, mostly white communities.

I agree with thinkaboutit. These proposed "racial balance" programs are racist. Plain and simple.

I agree with the Jigster. I'm not sure what the best solution is. But I'm convinced this isn't it.

This country has to start pouring money into it's public school system. And the money needs to go to the poorest communities first. The level playing field isn't going to be found by moving students around. It's going to be found by equalizing and raising the competency of public education.

How are these socalled "racial balance" programs "plain and smple" racist?

You take a group of students from one zip code and say that everyone from "abc street" and south is bused. To this other school in another area.....How is that racist? You are not sending every "white" student to "poorer" school. You are not excluding "all" white (or any race) from a school. Just some based on zip code (or some other boundry). And what if some other race of kids live in that same zip code? Are they not bused too? Or are the excluded from the busing?

How "integration" was preformed in my state, if a kid stayed in the school district from 1-12. He would be bused six of those years and not for six (unless he lived in the boondocks somewhere).

So, if Everyone of Every race is effected.....just how is that racist? Plain and simple please?

No, it has not been the "best" system. But it has been better than nothing. And if nothing better is put in place, do you really believe that it should end? Do you really think that having all the kids from the poor nieghborhoods going to the poor failing schools is the "best" or better solutions?

And please voucher are not the answer.

[GRAF_SAMPRAS]

these programs are NOT racist.

they are , rather -- "explained" as "racist" in a REVERSE kind of logic -- whose real intent is to VEIL or DISCREDIT any attempt to IN FACT ADDRESS the PROBLEM of RACISM that CONTINUES to benefit the largely white-oriented society in america.

"vouchers" are simply another way for a "class oriented" -- often very white -- beneficial - , path make it APPEAR as if there a "better way" than ']

ACTUALLY ADDRESSING the STARVING of the publci system iN ORDER TO

CORRUPT IT and MAKE IT INCAPABLE of providing education -- and THEN BLAMING the public system -- and THEN saying that "vouchers" and

"choice" are the best way -- which THEN lead to "choice" being


one that is based on RACISM...such as "white flight from" the public system -- which THEN leaves the continuously less funded colored communities

to "flounder" on THEIR OWN!

in other words -- it is a VERY ELABORATE WAY of

RETURNING to the RACIST PAST of the united states -- when

"whites were better educated"

while BLACKS were to be DENIED education.

it's a very clever scheme really -- but STILL very very apparent.

and if ANYTHING is RACIST --

THAT is the one that is racist.

[mrjiggyfly2]

I don't care what it's called, but if this is the best solution that goverment can come up with, than the kids are in trouble.

[mmmm8]

I don't care what it's called, but if this is the best solution that goverment can come up with, than the kids are in trouble.

I agree. Racist or not, they are discriminatory, even if inadvertently so. I also agree with Kirkus - the problem is not the programs specifically but the public school system in general.

[GRAF_SAMPRAS]

this is very strange.

some here say that "the problem is that public schools are deteriorating"

and THEN say that things have be TRULY equal for this problem to be solved

and THEN say "government can't solve it".


so -- whatDO YOU WANT?


has it not been CLEAR enough that "privatizing" schools HAS led to RE-segregation by means of "choice" where AFFLUENT -mostly white neighborhoods "choose" to EXCLUDE minorities on the basis of

the "choice of flight" through the power of the their "pocket" which is also partly financed BY government ?


it seems no one has been reading news lately to know that the us educational system is NOW considered by social scientists as SEGREGATED if not more so -- THAN IT WAS in the past! and THIS time it is STILL largelyk along racial lines -- based on the CONTINUATION of the LEGACY of RACISM which RESULTED in CLASS divisions -- which IS the primary INTENTION of white racist "solutions" .

THE so-called "solutions" today come in the form of "vouchers" -- FUNDED BY GOVERNMENT for PRIVATIZED schooling.

what does THAT do in effect?

it DEFUNDS the public school system -- which HASTENS the DETERIORATION of the public system to BEGIN WITH

which THEN leads people to "BLAME the public school system"

and CONCLUDE that "government is not the answer for throwing money into the public system">

when IN FACT -- UNDER THE GOP -- it is the GOVERNMENT that has DEFUNDED the public system IN ORDER TO CREATE CONDITIONS -- step by step -- that will GUARANTEE their DETERIORATION!

it is the SAME PATTERN as in DEFUNDING public health care -- raising the "requirements" for eligibility - as in housing, in work, in wages, etc.....

and then with the resulting DETERIORATION of people's lives by STARVING the system --


SCREAM thjat "government isn't the answer".

no - folks -- the GOP GOVERNANCE IS the problem.

it is a problem that is so simple:

THE GOP , CONSERVATIVES and LIBERTARIANS


DISLIKE GOVERNMENT when it DOES work FOR the public.

but they LOVE IT -- when it is a SOCIALIST SYSTEM that WORKS for the AFFLUENT and primarily the white population!

THAT is the UNSPOKEN secret -- the white elephant they don't want to talk about behind the screaming against "big government".

since these folks KNOW that the LESS affluent are concentrated among the COLORED people -- and that they DEPEND for quality education on a GOVERNMENT RUN and FINANCED PUBLIC system --

DEFUNDING IT -= GUARANTEES that the system will STARVE and DETERIORATE -- so that the conservatives can then turn around and BLAME thepublic system .

clever, clever, clever -- and WRONG!

and THAT is the one that is RACIST!

a SYSTEMATIC , almost subtle way of REVERSING public education so that it BECOMES a burden AND a problem

rather than a solution that IT OUGHT TO BE!

this is just another example of conservative "privatization" of everything that is of NATIONAL importance that leads to the chaos and deterioration of the quality of life for the majority of the population -- just as in the STUPID mish mash of a health care system.

what does it really reflect?:

that conservatives and racists among them -- harking back to the "good old days" of SEGREGATION by FIAT -- attempt to have SEGREGATION by "CHOICE" as they like to call it

so that they can complain about "enforced integration" and then claim they are the victims of "racism" .

it is highly dishonest!
this kind of thing began in the reagan administration.

social studies UNANIMOUSLY concluded that "to fix the segregated system of education , and the divide of it by class - as a LEGACY of racism- we have to pour 10 billion dollars in the next 10 years" -- and that was 30 years AGO.

what did the reagites do?


they proceeded to wage a media war -- "against big government" --and the RESULT?

the creeping STARVING of public systems and neighborhoods of blacks and hispanics -- whcih FURTHER resulted in social disorder

which FURTHER made such places "UNFIT for government public education funding".

in other words -- they CREATED the GUARANTOR for deterioration by means of withholding EXACTLY what the social scientists long ago recongized MUST BE A PUBLIC FINANCED SYSTEM that NEEDED

EVEN MORE INFUSION of money .

but the conservatives -- starting with reagan - and empowered in the GOP congress from 1994 --

not only withheld that money -- they EXACERBATED the problem --meaning THEY MADE SURE THEY as the PROBLEM of "government that DOESN"T WANT TO GOVERN FOR the people" but ONLY for their cronies and favored communities -- the AFFLUENT and the WHITES!

this whole charade of "big government is bad"

is such a CANARD created by reaganites who reflect a DISTORTION and DISLIKE of ANY "government"

if government SERVES the people.

THAT is the real problem. whether it is in education or health care or housing or wages or anything of national importance!

whites want to go to private schools? the affluent want VOUCHERS?

let them !

but they ought not to be FUNDED by the GOVERNMENT for their "segregation by CHOICE" -- by way of destroying the fabric of pubic education -- which like ANYTHING -- ESPECIALLY as segregation by WEALTH proves --

MONEY is necessary to IMPROVE the system.

so -- when one looks at WHY the government under the GOP

DISDAINS funding public education -- it is for the PURPOSE of ENSURING that PUBLIC EDUCATION deteriorates for gradual starving and THEN gets DISCREDITED as "proof that government doesn't work anjd is bad for you" when in terms of national projects such as education.

the EFFECT is to create an atmosphere that thinks "government that works FOR the people" IS bad!

and THAT is the REAL intention of anyone that says "public" ANYTHING is BAD -- BECAUSE it is to be funded and run by the government!

the conservative "solutions" are like a poison pill claiming to be the medicine.

[GRAF_SAMPRAS]

How are these socalled "racial balance" programs "plain and smple" racist?

You take a group of students from one zip code and say that everyone from "abc street" and south is bused. To this other school in another area.....How is that racist? You are not sending every "white" student to "poorer" school. You are not excluding "all" white (or any race) from a school. Just some based on zip code (or some other boundry). And what if some other race of kids live in that same zip code? Are they not bused too? Or are the excluded from the busing?

How "integration" was preformed in my state, if a kid stayed in the school district from 1-12. He would be bused six of those years and not for six (unless he lived in the boondocks somewhere).

So, if Everyone of Every race is effected.....just how is that racist? Plain and simple please?

No, it has not been the "best" system. But it has been better than nothing. And if nothing better is put in place, do you really believe that it should end? Do you really think that having all the kids from the poor nieghborhoods going to the poor failing schools is the "best" or better solutions?

And please voucher are not the answer.


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CORRECT!

this claim about "reverse racism" by those who oppose the "integration" debate -- for taht is what it boils down to -- is a TACTIC for the same OLD STRATEGY of segregation.

only THIS time the TACTIC is to claim that "to CONTINUE to publicly fund the mixing of PUBLIC schools is ALSO RACIST"

is a racist EFFRONTERY in its own right of the baldest kind!

KNOWING that mostly white neighborhoods that are more affluent "should not be victimzed by racism and forced to integrate" are going to be INSULATED from the defunding of public education when they are given "vouchers" or privatized schools ALSO managed by PROFITEERS using PUBLIC money and feeding those that are already well-fed at the expense of those whose problems have STILL not been properly addressed and WORSENED by being abandonned (think KATRINA) - it is like saying that it is "racist to force WHITES and AFFLUENT to INTEGRATE" ....

when in reality -- IT IS A TACTIC AND STRATEGY of RACIST connotations to PROMOTE the RE_EMERGENCE of RACIST SEGREGATION

by "choice"

as a way to CIRCUMVENT government attempts or public attempts to CORRECT the LEGACY of RACISM to begin with!

these GOP and conservatives are SO CLEVER at manipulating the arguments to make something LOOK like a problem and BECOME a problem --

WITH THEIR OWN actions -- such as "voucher" and "privatizing" as the TOOLS to ENSURE that such problems CONTINUE -- and THEN they'll turn around and scream "reverse racism" ....
"this is ALSO racism"!!

they have some NERVE!

[mmmm8]

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The full article for the above can be found here:
http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?pa...s_iv_ctrl=1223

[thinkaboutit]

The government should stay out of Education, as well as many other areas.
Education should be the parents and students business.
I can't think of anything the government does, save the military, courts or police, that wouldn't be more effective if run privately.

[mmmm8]

The government should stay out of Education, as well as many other areas.
Education should be the parents and students business.
I can't think of anything the government does, save the military, courts or police, that wouldn't be more effective if run privately.

I disagree. Thing is, some parents just don't care enough, or don't have enough knowledge of what the best education for the children is.