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    No, I think it's still about Puerto Ricans. I just think they opened the casting process to play the Puerto Rican characters. There's been meetings with Puerto Ricans, like in PR, to discuss the making of the movie and stuff because of the flawed history, so I didn't get the impression they were changing the original story, but I could be wrong and they are making a few subtle changes to the characters.

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    @Ti, read this story from earlier this year. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence and make your concerns go away.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...ncerns-1176285

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    Well, you can't complain about exact ethnic casting when you had no problem with a black actress playing a nun in The Sound of Music, which you know is about Nazis, the ultimate racists of the 20th century.

    Either you're pro color-blind casting or you're not.

    Sure the original is a classic, but it is so thin on plot, so how will today's audiences sit through this? That is my question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JazzNU View Post
    @Ti, read this story from earlier this year. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence and make your concerns go away.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...ncerns-1176285
    Kushner, 62, fielded the question first, shifting uncomfortably in his seat. "[That line] is from the musical," he replied. "[Lyricist Stephen] Sondheim changed that because there was a lot of unhappiness about the negativity towards the island in America. So we're using the lyrics from the film."

    In fact, Kushner had it reversed. The original Broadway version referred to an "island of tropical breezes," but the 1961 film version changed that lyric to "let it sink back in the ocean." Stumbling in his response, the screenwriter then lobbed the matter over to Spielberg. "It's...um...I don't know, do you want to...?" Kushner said, drawing nervous laughter.

    (...)

    In his final remarks to the university group, Spielberg attempted one last tack, positioning the film as a response to the hard-line anti-immigration stance taken by Donald Trump, whom Puerto Ricans feel abandoned them at their time of need. (A rep for the director declined to comment for this story, except to point to a statement announcing the casting of the Maria character.)

    "This will always be Romeo and Juliet," Spielberg said. "But it also speaks a lot to what’s happening today in terms of what’s happening at the borders. It’s very relevant today to essentially the rejection of anyone who isn’t white. And that’s a big part of our story."

    And with that, the town hall drew to a close. "I got a sense they got nervous about their answer," Rodriguez notes. "And they should. They should get nervous when you're representing a whole other ethnicity."
    With all the Puerto Ricans in NYC and its environs and in Northern Florida they had to hir voice coaches?!

    That Kushner got the lyric change wrong says it all. First he tried to blame Sondheim though.

    Here is "America" from the movie. Why mess with this?

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    Confession: I’ve never seen West Side Story. Won’t be watching the new one either.

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    Can people make a film nowadays in which you don't have to touch (perfectly, of course) every single major and minor political, cultural, social, ethnic and religious issue?
    Like MJ. I never saw the first one. Will not see this one. But it is a silly musical, not a guide for social harmony forever.
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    Ever since "South Pacific" Broadway musicals have been where you find a lot of social commentary. There is singing and dancing, but it was "South Pacific" that featured the song "You Have To Be Carefully Taught"

    You've Got To Be Carefully Taught
    John Pizzarelli

    You've got to be taught
    To hate and fear,
    You've got to be taught
    From year to year,
    It's got to be drummed
    In your dear little ear
    You've got to be carefully taught.

    You've got to be taught to be afraid
    Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
    And people whose skin is a different shade,
    You've got to be carefully taught.

    You've got to be taught before it's too late,
    Before you are six or seven or eight,
    To hate all the people your relatives hate,
    You've got to be carefully taught!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    Can people make a film nowadays in which you don't have to touch (perfectly, of course) every single major and minor political, cultural, social, ethnic and religious issue?
    Like MJ. I never saw the first one. Will not see this one. But it is a silly musical, not a guide for social harmony forever.

    But this isn't some silly musical (beyond the fact that a general idea of dancing and singing on a stage is somewhat silly), it's a seminal work of art with a lot of cultural influences. It was always a musical that touched on political, cultural, social, ethnic (not religious) issues. It's based on Romeo and Juliet, which also touches on those issues, as do all of Shakespeare's plays.

    Art is a mirror of society, after all.


    I don't understand why Tony Kushner was tapped to rewrite this. I'm a fan of a lot of his work but how vain is Spielberg to not think he needs a Latino/a and or at least a musical specialist to write this rather than just a fellow old Jewish dude.


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    The only thing I will say about your post is: SOME art is a mirror of society.
    I guess it is that I do not like musicals. People breaking into singing and dancing in a street is just not my thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    The only thing I will say about your post is: SOME art is a mirror of society.
    I guess it is that I do not like musicals. People breaking into singing and dancing in a street is just not my thing.
    All art is a mirror of society. Some art is just bad.


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