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  1. #211

    Re: The Great Reset: Where Do We Go From Here?

    Again, a non-American is asking: I thought you can get pardoned for FEDERAL crimes. Whatever NYC has on him is outside that scope.
    Right?
    Face it. It's the apocalypse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    Again, a non-American is asking: I thought you can get pardoned for FEDERAL crimes. Whatever NYC has on him is outside that scope.
    Right?
    In theory yes, but practically speaking it seems unlikely that he would be pursued for state crimes after a federal pardon. It would just look petty to his supporters & give energy to a run in 2024 at a time when it would be best to just let that nonsense fade.

  3. #213

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatingfan View Post
    In theory yes, but practically speaking it seems unlikely that he would be pursued for state crimes after a federal pardon. It would just look petty to his supporters & give energy to a run in 2024 at a time when it would be best to just let that nonsense fade.
    I'm not sure that's what the dynamics would be like. I don't understand why a federal pardon should make state prosecutors so much as pause.
    Go Pack Go!

  4. #214

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    NYS/SDNY will not be deterred by a Federal pardon.
    “No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.” – Lily Tomlin.




  5. #215

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    Adam Klasfeld @KlasfeldReports

    "Rather than requesting that their votes be counted, they seek to discredit scores of other votes, but only for one race. This is simply not how the Constitution works."

    Judge Brann scorches Trump's requested presidential-race-only invalidation request. #AlwaysReadTheFootnotes



    John Bresnahan @BresPolitico
    @SenToomey says Trump has exhausted his legal challenges & Biden is president-elect
    “No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.” – Lily Tomlin.




  6. #216

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    Greg Bluestein @bluestein

    As expected, the Trump campaign has filed for a recount in Georgia. There is no evidence of widespread fraud or irregularities, and Biden’s narrow victory in Georgia was certified on Friday after a hand recount of the nearly 5M ballots confirmed the results. #gapol



    G O L D I E.
    @goldietaylor
    They will try to throw out GA by saying the (multi-layered) pre-matched signature process cannot be re-validated during a recount because state law upholds the right to a secret ballot. And that, they’ll say, makes a recount worthless.

    But, here’s the burden: They must affirmatively demonstrate that there was fraud and that said fraud was pervasive enough to impact the outcome.

    They’ll try to circumvent that by attacking the absentee ballot issuance process and the signature validation protocol.

    They will, of course, lose on both the burden and the process arguments.

    But, while doing so, they will undermine state leaders— effectively sullying and sidelining them ahead of the Jan. 5 runoff.
    “No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.” – Lily Tomlin.




  7. #217

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    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    Again, a non-American is asking: I thought you can get pardoned for FEDERAL crimes. Whatever NYC has on him is outside that scope.
    Right?
    Quote Originally Posted by skatingfan View Post
    In theory yes, but practically speaking it seems unlikely that he would be pursued for state crimes after a federal pardon. It would just look petty to his supporters & give energy to a run in 2024 at a time when it would be best to just let that nonsense fade.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ti-Amie View Post
    NYS/SDNY will not be deterred by a Federal pardon.
    New York and any other state that finds that he violated their state laws are free to go after him and his family under the fullest extent of their laws as they see fit. A federal pardon has no effect on this whatsoever.

    Breaking the law is breaking the law. If you aren't under some sort of pardon or immunity agreement you are in no way safe from prosecution. The brazen manner with which this family has broken the law means no one gives a ish if his sore loser supporters aren't happy. Using the Capone example, you go after them however you can because that kind of lawlessness can't be tolerated. So if you have to get them for tax fraud not racketeering, then that's what you get them for. And it's really hard to run for president when you're broke and sitting in prison. Not to mention, 2024 claims are nothing but a smoke screen to grift because these lawsuit and recount funds that have sent out over 300 emails begging for money are going to dry up very soon.

    And finally, NYS and SDNY are two very different things.

    NYS = New York State meaning New York laws

    SDNY = Southern District of New York = Federal laws. SDNY will cease any and all investigations for the time period stated into Grifter if the pardon is deemed legit.

    SDNY is known as "The Mother Court" they take on a good deal of the toughest federal cases and are the gold standard of the district courts and tends to be the most influential district. But in almost every way that matters, they are no different in organizational stature than the Northern District of Alabama. Just another federal district court, the trial court level of the federal court system.

    HTH

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatingfan View Post
    In theory yes, but practically speaking it seems unlikely that he would be pursued for state crimes after a federal pardon. It would just look petty to his supporters & give energy to a run in 2024 at a time when it would be best to just let that nonsense fade.
    His supporters are unreasonable and impossible to placate so regardless of what is done to him they will remain his acolytes. The non-sense will not fade even if you just leave him alone.
    And you know that if he is not shackled in some way, he will remain on-line spewing non-sense. He will not be a normal former president, ala W or Obama, staying out of the spotlight. He will start campaigning immediately after he is kicked out of the WH. If he is kicked.
    Face it. It's the apocalypse.

  9. #219

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    According to Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell - Brian Kemp, the GOP governor of GA and major Trump ally, has been bribed by a voting machine company that she has said is a front for Hugo Chavez and Venezuela to rig the election on behalf of Joe Biden.
    Last edited by suliso; 11-22-2020 at 09:53 AM.
    Roger forever

  10. #220

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    The claim comes from trying to tie DOMINION VOTING, which provides America with some of its voting machines, to SMARTMATIC, the company that ran the machines in Venezuela during the fraudulent 2004 referendum. Smartmatic, to all Venezuelans, rigged that election.
    The companies are not associated.
    Face it. It's the apocalypse.

  11. #221

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    Quote Originally Posted by suliso View Post
    According to Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell - Brian Kemp, the GOP governor of GA and major Trump ally, has been bribed by a voting machine company that she has said is a front for Hugo Chavez and Venezuela to rig the election on behalf of Joe Biden.
    I continue to be confused about why Sidney Powell isn't busy defending herself in disbarment proceedings.

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    Re: The Great Reset: Where Do We Go From Here?

    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    Release the Mueller report in full.
    Get his tax records and see what's in them.
    Let NYC go after him first.
    Investigate all he and the family has done during these four years.
    THEN
    Go for a truth commission.

    Biden is dammed if he does, dammed if he doesn't. Tiny's followers will get enraged. The rest of the nation want to see justice.
    And some people in the GOP may want to see Tiny going away.
    I think it'll be just the third point above, all will be done through the Southern District of New York and not through any other body.


  13. #223

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    From today's article on https://electoral-vote.com/

    Democrats' Latino Problem is Bigger than Just Florida and Texas


    Last week we had a story on how Joe Biden did worse than Hillary Clinton in Miami-Dade County and also in South Texas. The former can be somewhat explained due to the large Cuban-American community there. The latter can be explained due to the fact that many of the Tejanos in South Texas come from families that have been there for hundreds of years and don't identify at all with recent immigrants from Mexico, especially not undocumented ones.

    As more data comes in, it now appears that the Democrats' problem is much bigger than those two states. In 78 of the country's 100 majority-Latino counties, Trump did better in 2020 than he did in 2016. He also did better in the top 10 battleground states. Puerto Ricans in Philadelphia and Mexican Americans in Milwaukee also moved toward Trump this time.

    Part of his gain is no doubt because in 2016 he attacked Mexicans as rapists and made building a wall on the southern border and opposing immigration in all forms the centerpiece of his campaign. He didn't do that in 2020. Maybe the Latinos forgot because these issues weren't in the news. Or maybe they thought he had mellowed (unlikely).

    Politico interviewed over a dozen experts on Latino voting patterns and came to the conclusion that Latinos largely identify as blue collar, not as Latino. Interestingly, 97% of Latinos never use "Latinx" as a term. This is an invention of white activists who prize political correctness above all else. One Latino interviewed said "What is this garbage? It's a thing from academia that isn't relevant to people." Many Latinos view Democrats as moralistic snobs: No one wants to come home after a long day of work to be wokesplained that they need to change their language.

    What many Latinos prize is pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps and owning your own business. What they don't like is socialism, the boycott of Goya Foods, and defunding the police. That language just doesn't speak to them. But even in Latino-heavy districts where socialism is not a bugaboo (like that of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-NY) Trump did better this time than in 2016, getting 29% of the vote (vs. 20% in 2020). On the other hand, Rep. Gil Cisneros (D-CA) lost to an opponent who ran on a platform of opposing socialized medicine and whose mailers included a photo of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT).

    During the Black Lives Matter protests, the Trump campaign discovered that Latinos were almost as receptive as whites to a pro-police and pro-jobs message, so they pushed these, both in English and Spanish.

    This revelation has important implications going forward. Democrats tend to play identity politics—my tribe against your tribe. In contrast, Republicans are moving toward class politics—the working class against the elites. This is more than a little ironic, of course, since the people who actually run the Republican Party, and to whom it really responds are millionaire and billionaire donors. But on cultural issues (abortion, guns, gay rights, the military, etc.) Latinos are much closer to the Republicans than they are to the Democrats. One of the few "Democrats" who gets the identity vs. class thing is Bernie Sanders, and he's not actually a Democrat (what's the opposite of a DINO? An ONID?).

    In short, with respect to Latinos, one size definitely does not fit all and Democrats need to recognize that they need to talk to different groups in different states in different ways. And perhaps even more, Latinos tend to identify as working class more than they identify as "Latino." Getting their respect and votes will require a different approach in the future. (V)



    That note about some Democrats being moralistic snobs does ring a bell, doesn't it?
    Roger forever

  14. #224

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    The paragraph about the LATINX denomination is spot on. And further things need to be explained.
    As in every country, we are not the same. I am NOT Latino; I am Venezuelan. I am not proud of it, I am not ashamed of it. I simply am. I know that is an extremely minoritarian view as most people in the continent are truly super-patriotic (Mexicans and Peruvians take the title, but they are not alone) but overall, we do not identify as LATINO. So stop grouping people so broadly.
    The LATINX thing is also silly. Our language has clear separations of male/female nouns, and the default for large groups is the male ending. Don't, indeed, come try to change the language and impose some foreign non-duality. We call ourselves what we call ourselves. Is it right? Up to discussion. By the spanish speaking people, not the Anglos.

    It would be an entire book that needs to be written to explain the whole thing. And I would not even say I am remotely qualified to do so. But drop LATINX, democratic party. It actually makes spanish speaking people upset.
    Face it. It's the apocalypse.

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    Re: The Great Reset: Where Do We Go From Here?

    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    The paragraph about the LATINX denomination is spot on. And further things need to be explained.
    As in every country, we are not the same. I am NOT Latino; I am Venezuelan. I am not proud of it, I am not ashamed of it. I simply am. I know that is an extremely minoritarian view as most people in the continent are truly super-patriotic (Mexicans and Peruvians take the title, but they are not alone) but overall, we do not identify as LATINO. So stop grouping people so broadly.
    The LATINX thing is also silly. Our language has clear separations of male/female nouns, and the default for large groups is the male ending. Don't, indeed, come try to change the language and impose some foreign non-duality. We call ourselves what we call ourselves. Is it right? Up to discussion. By the spanish speaking people, not the Anglos.

    It would be an entire book that needs to be written to explain the whole thing. And I would not even say I am remotely qualified to do so. But drop LATINX, democratic party. It actually makes spanish speaking people upset.

    To be clear, Ponchi (if I may be a moralistic Democrat snob), the term Latino is only used to refer to US residents of Latin American origin or ancestry, it's not used to describe people who live in countries in Latin America, so you wouldn't be described as Latino or Latinx. Are you ok being grouped into being Latin American? I think that one is pretty straight-forward, just like European, etc.


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