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  1. #2986

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff in TX View Post
    *Sigh* - The state of some of our higher education in America leaves something to be desired. Of course, this really speaks more to a lack of education...and ethics...and common sense...and even, morality on some level.

    Alabama students throwing 'COVID parties' to see who gets infected: Officials
    Rising infections prompt Gov. Kay Ivy to extend 'Safer at Home' orders.
    July 1, 2020

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    If anybody here follows the NON SEQUITUR cartoon, today's is truly on the money:
    https://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2020/07/03

    If you think an education is expensive, try illiteracy... (we have said that before)
    Face it. It's the apocalypse.

  2. #2987

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    Quote Originally Posted by suliso View Post
    Been a bit more than a week, but here is how the top 15 looks right now.

    Belgium 838
    UK 632
    Spain 606
    Italy 573
    Sweden 511
    France 455
    USA 373
    Netherlands 356
    Ireland 348
    Peru 255
    Brazil 248
    Ecuador 242
    Chile 236
    Switzerland 226
    Canada 224
    Another update 9 days later (post above was June 24th). Reminder: numbers refer to deaths per million inhabitants, microstates excluded.

    Belgium 843
    UK 650
    Spain 607
    Italy 576
    Sweden 536
    France 458
    USA 398
    Netherlands 357
    Ireland 352
    Chile 317
    Peru 305
    Brazil 293
    Ecuador 263
    Canada 230
    Switzerland 227

    It's easy to see that increases in Chile, Peru and Brazil have been massive, even more than in US where things are not under control either. Mid range increase in UK and Sweden, other countries on the list are currently doing ok. Mexico (226) will most certainly overtake Canada and Switzerland by the next update.
    Roger forever

  3. #2988

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    This is a great graph from NY Times



    It's seen better at the original link below, but basically the map on the left shows number of people who have tested positive in the two weeks preceding April 4th. The one on the right the same from July 1st.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage
    Roger forever

  4. #2989

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    This one from the same source shows the developments in the major geographic areas from March 1st till July 1st.
    Roger forever

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    So, Texas mask requirement is back in place (too late), but guess where a mask is not required?

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    It is the Northeast that is keeping us from looking even worse than we do. There has been a slight uptick in some areas of the Northeast, but, as the graph shows, they represent our best area now. The statistics from the South and Southwest are truly horrifying. GH

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    So, Texas mask requirement is back in place (too late), but guess where a mask is not required?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ti-Amie View Post
    I'm afraid to ask.
    Religious services

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  9. #2994

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    Religious services

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    Of course. All that singing shouting and testifying won't spread the virus. Not at all.
    “No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.” – Lily Tomlin.




  10. #2995

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    105 University of Washington students in frat houses test positive for coronavirus
    JULY 3, 2020 / 6:33 AM / CBS/AP

    More than 100 students living in fraternity houses near the University of Washington campus have reported testing positive for COVID-19, with hundreds of results pending. The Interfraternity Council, a student-led governing board for UW fraternities, said that at least 105 residents living in 15 fraternity houses have self-reported that they tested positive, CBS affiliate KIRO-TV reports.

    The university learned Saturday that some fraternity residents had symptoms of COVID-19, and public health officials noticed a spike in cases among people ages 18 to 20, according to university spokeswoman Michelle Ma.

    Ma said more than 800 students have been tested since Monday in response to the Greek system outbreak. The university expects to have an updated case count early next week. The Interfraternity Council has asked fraternity houses to stop holding social events, Ma said.

    Experts say the outbreak, along with cases among student athletes, is a troubling sign of what may be in store if colleges reopen in the fall. University of Washington leadership said this week they hope to reopen in-person, with larger classes held virtually, but that plans could change based on the virus's spread.

    Daniel Leifer, a pediatrician studying dermatology at UW, estimates he saw about a dozen parties when walking by Greek Row in recent months. Students stood close together, and masks were nowhere to be seen, he said.

    Dr. Charles Lockwood, the senior vice president of University of South Florida Health, has administered more than 300 coronavirus tests and is alarmed by the spike among young people.

    "It really is consistent with what we've been observing, which is incredible noncompliance with wearing face masks, social distancing, particularly among young adults and teenagers," he said.

    Lockwood recognized that young people have "a different way of looking at life."

    "The problem is that while you may not die and you may not even know you're sick, you may be killing other people," he said.

    First published on July 3, 2020 / 6:33 AM

    © 2020 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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  11. #2996

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennHarman View Post
    It is the Northeast that is keeping us from looking even worse than we do. There has been a slight uptick in some areas of the Northeast, but, as the graph shows, they represent our best area now. The statistics from the South and Southwest are truly horrifying. GH
    One could say that once upon time Northeast is what made you look worse than it actually was.
    Roger forever

  12. #2997

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    Quote Originally Posted by suliso View Post
    Another update 9 days later (post above was June 24th). Reminder: numbers refer to deaths per million inhabitants, microstates excluded.

    Belgium 843
    UK 650
    Spain 607
    Italy 576
    Sweden 536
    France 458
    USA 398
    Netherlands 357
    Ireland 352
    Chile 317
    Peru 305
    Brazil 293
    Ecuador 263
    Canada 230
    Switzerland 227

    It's easy to see that increases in Chile, Peru and Brazil have been massive, even more than in US where things are not under control either. Mid range increase in UK and Sweden, other countries on the list are currently doing ok. Mexico (226) will most certainly overtake Canada and Switzerland by the next update.
    It still surprised me that even after almost 6 months of virus, developed countries have been hit hardest in this count. I gather that it is the combination of small populations and better testing programs.
    For example, China is nowhere near this list. Nor is India, the two largest populations in the world. A huge divider, mischievous data manipulation (China) and not really knowing the figures (India).
    Face it. It's the apocalypse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suliso View Post
    Another update 9 days later (post above was June 24th). Reminder: numbers refer to deaths per million inhabitants, microstates excluded.

    Belgium 843
    UK 650
    Spain 607
    Italy 576
    Sweden 536
    France 458
    USA 398
    Netherlands 357
    Ireland 352
    Chile 317
    Peru 305
    Brazil 293
    Ecuador 263
    Canada 230
    Switzerland 227

    It's easy to see that increases in Chile, Peru and Brazil have been massive, even more than in US where things are not under control either. Mid range increase in UK and Sweden, other countries on the list are currently doing ok. Mexico (226) will most certainly overtake Canada and Switzerland by the next update.
    It still surprises me that even after almost 6 months of virus, developed countries have been hit hardest in this count. I gather that it is the combination of small populations and better testing programs.
    For example, China is nowhere near this list. Nor is India, the two largest populations in the world. A huge divider, mischievous data manipulation (China) and not really knowing the figures (India).
    Face it. It's the apocalypse.

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    Rocketing Covid-19 infections expose Trump's callous claim pandemic is 'handled'
    Analysis by Stephen Collinson, CNN
    Updated 8:08 AM EDT, Fri July 03, 2020

    Terrible data
    The dispiriting data on the pandemic that poured like a gusher on Thursday gave the lie to Trump's assessment that the crisis is being "handled."

    Florida Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, one of Trump's most aggressive partners in pushing toward swift economic openings that defied US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines, is insisting he won't close down the economy even though his state recorded a new record of 10,000 new cases on Thursday. Texas came in with nearly 8,000 more new cases, just a few short of its worst-ever day on Wednesday. Arizona reported more than 3,000 new infections Thursday after its worst day so far on Wednesday when it reported more than 4,800.

    In a landmark move that broke with the President's resistance to mandates, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican, said he would now require all Texans to wear a mask when out in public if they were from counties where more than 20 coronavirus cases had been recorded. He showed Texans graphs showing rocketing infection rates, positivity rates for tests and hospitalizations.

    "These numbers reveal a very stark reality. Covid-19 is not going away. In fact, it is getting worse," Abbott said.

    Another one of Trump's band of early opening Republican governors, Brian Kemp of Georgia, said people should "do the right thing" and wear a mask.

    While Trump refuses to set an example by wearing one before the cameras, many experts expect things to get worse still.

    "It's set up a perfect storm: the combination of travel, the combination of reopening -- perhaps in some cases, too early -- and the combination of people not necessarily following some of these preventive guidelines," Dr. Joshua Barocas, an infectious disease physician at Boston Medical Center, told the Infectious Diseases Society of America.

    Dr. Peter Hotez, an infectious diseases specialist who leads the school of tropical medicine at Baylor, warned that Texas, Arizona and Florida are close to entering "apocalyptic" territory in terms of new infections.

    'Wrong on both fronts'

    Even for a President who makes a habit of framing reality to fit his political priorities, Trump's comments about the economy on Thursday were stunning, and in the circumstances, callous. But there were also flickering signs of anxiety in Trump's bravado. At one point, he warned that if presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden won the presidency, there would be an economic crash of 1929 proportions. Trump did not apparently spot the irony that his denial that the pandemic would be a problem for the US contributed to a lack of preparedness, helping to trigger the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

    Trump did not stay to answer questions about the virus, but left Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and Director of the National Economic Council Larry Kudlow to downplay scary warnings by the government's top infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci that the virus is surging and could produce case counts of 100,000 new infections per day.

    "I think what Dr. Fauci said is that if people don't take these things seriously, that the numbers could continue to spike," Mnuchin said.

    Fauci, banished to UK radio, even as US media outlets press the White House for him to speak to Americans, directly contradicted Trump.

    "In the United States, even in the most strict lockdowns, only about 50% of the country locked down -- that allowed for the perpetuation of the outbreak, which we never did get under very good control," Fauci told BBC Radio 4's flagship "Today" program.

    "The problem we're facing now is the attempt to reopen or open the government and get it back to some form of normality. We're seeing very disturbing spikes in different individual states in the United States," he added.


    Another top government health official, Adm. Dr. Brett Giroir, blew a hole in another one of Trump's falsehoods -- the claim that cases are only going up because the US is doing more coronavirus testing.

    "There is no question that the more testing you get, the more you will uncover -- but we do believe this is a real increase in cases, because the percent positives are going up. So, this is real increases in cases," Giroir told the House Select Committee on the Coronavirus Crisis on Thursday.


    Biden accused Trump of wanting to move on from the crisis to concentrate on his reelection bid.

    "Trump wants to declare his health crisis over and unemployment solved. Unfortunately, he's wrong on both fronts," the former vice president said on Thursday. Noting the number of lives lost, Biden added: "That's a direct consequence of Donald Trump's bungled leadership and a totally mismanaged crisis from the start."

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/03/p...ida/index.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    It still surprised me that even after almost 6 months of virus, developed countries have been hit hardest in this count. I gather that it is the combination of small populations and better testing programs.
    For example, China is nowhere near this list. Nor is India, the two largest populations in the world. A huge divider, mischievous data manipulation (China) and not really knowing the figures (India).
    In my opinion this is because developed countries have far more mobile populations by any imaginable criteria. Also having younger populations probably outweighs having a poorer medical care.

    China lied no doubt, but not to the extent to be on this list I think. India is not doing great the last month, but population is enormous and so far the spreading is mostly in the richer geographic areas.
    Roger forever

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