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  1. #3676

    Re: covid-19 Virus Updates and Discussion

    Roger forever

  2. #3677

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    Wasn't Denmark the first one to open?
    Face it. It's the apocalypse.

  3. #3678

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    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    Wasn't Denmark the first one to open?
    Among these countries? I think so... But none of these countries were closed very hard in the first place (maybe Norway, I'm not sure)
    Roger forever

  4. #3679

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    NYC public school opening will be delayed and then staggered.

    Private and Catholic schools have reopened with staggered schedules.
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  5. #3680

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    Don Moynihan
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    The USPS had a plan to send 5 reusable facemarks (sic) to every household in early April. Even had a press release ready.

    The White House blocked the plan.

    “There was concern...that households receiving masks might create concern or panic." https://washingtonpost.com/us-policy...s-amazon-foia/

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  6. #3681

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    New York City reverses school opening plan. Now most students will start remotely.

    By
    Moriah Balingit and
    Valerie Strauss
    September 17, 2020 at 1:56 p.m. EDT

    NEW YORK — Four days before students were set to arrive at school buildings, Mayor Bill de Blasio said he would once again delay face-to-face instruction for nearly all students as the school system, which educates more than one million children, scrambled to assuage growing fears among educators and parents.

    De Blasio had pledged to provide parents the option to send their children back to school for at least part of the week to allow for social distancing, providing virtual instruction the rest of the time. School buildings were set to reopen Monday.

    But he faced significant pushback from many teachers and parents, who expressed concern about whether schools could adequately prevent a covid-19 outbreak, with many buildings having poor ventilation systems. There were also concerns about whether schools had enough personal protective equipment, such as masks.

    “We have to do it right,” de Blasio said Thursday.

    Several teachers, who had begun returning to classrooms to prepare for the school year, tested positive for the coronavirus, heaping more concerns on parents. And there were also massive staffing and logistical challenges for schools that had to sort out how to cover both virtual and in-person classes, especially when many educators have medical exemptions to teach from home.

    De Blasio had originally planned to open schools Sept. 10 but moved that to Monday after reaching a deal with the teachers union that included more safety measures. However, teachers later said they were concerned that the city had not made enough changes, and sought to delay the start of school again.

    Now, only preschoolers and special-education students will start in-person instruction on Monday. On Sept. 29, elementary schools (both K-5 and K-8) will begin in-person classes, while the rest will go back Oct. 1, he said.


    New York City, home to the nation’s largest school system, is one of the only urban districts to reopen school buildings for face-to-face instruction. School leaders argued it was critical for children, many of whom rely on schools for meals and for a safe place to stay during the day.

    Once the nation’s epicenter of the pandemic, New York City’s positivity rates have fallen below one percent. By contrast, the nation’s positivity rate stands at more than 5 percent.

    An earlier version of this story misstated de Blasio’s reopening plan. The mayor had planned to allow only some students to return Monday.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/educa...mpaign=wp_main
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  7. #3682

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    Covid-19 Live Updates: C.D.C. Website’s Controversial Testing Guideline Was Not Written by C.D.C. Scientists

    A much-criticized testing recommendation on the C.D.C.’s website last month was not written by C.D.C. scientists.
    A heavily criticized recommendation from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last month about who should be tested for the coronavirus was not written by C.D.C. scientists and was posted to the agency’s website despite their serious objections, according to several people familiar with the matter as well as internal documents obtained by The New York Times.

    The guidance said it was not necessary to test people without symptoms of Covid-19 even if they had been exposed to the virus. It came at a time when public health experts were pushing for more testing rather than less, and administration officials told The Times that the document was a C.D.C. product and had been revised with input from the agency’s director, Dr. Robert Redfield.

    But officials told The Times this week that the Department of Health and Human Services did the rewriting itself and then “dropped” it into the C.D.C.’s public website, flouting the agency’s strict scientific review process.

    “That was a doc that came from the top down, from the H.H.S. and the task force,” said a federal official with knowledge of the matter, referring to the White House task force on the coronavirus. “That policy does not reflect what many people at the C.D.C. feel should be the policy.”

    Adm. Brett Giroir, the administration’s testing coordinator and an assistant secretary at the Department of Health and Human Services, the C.D.C.’s parent organization, said in an interview Thursday that the original draft came from the C.D.C., but he “coordinated editing and input from the scientific and medical members of the task force.”

    Over a period of a month, he said, the draft went through about 20 versions, with comments from Dr. Redfield; top members of the White House task force, Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx; and Dr. Scott Atlas, President Trump’s adviser on the coronavirus. The members also presented the document to Vice President Mike Pence, who heads the task force, Admiral Giroir said.

    C.D.C. staff scientists’ objections to the pre-published document went unheard. A senior C.D.C. official told the scientists, “We do not have the ability to make substantial edits,” according to an email obtained by The Times.

    Similarly, a document, arguing for “the importance of reopening schools,” was also dropped into the C.D.C. website by the Department of Health and Human Services in July and is sharply out of step with the C.D.C.’s usual neutral and scientific tone, the officials said.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/17/w...gtype=Homepage
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  8. #3683

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    By the time this administration is over, the sole two agencies that will have any reputation left will be... NASA and NOAA?
    Face it. It's the apocalypse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    By the time this administration is over, the sole two agencies that will have any reputation left will be... NASA and NOAA?
    NASA is already a shadow of itself and has been for years.

  10. #3685

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    But that is because of crippling budget cuts, not because of political interference. As a reputable scientific institution, it is still very relevant.
    And anyway, the U.S. image as the world leader in all scientific endeavors by now is gone. Big science is being done all over the world (except Russia and non-developed countries).
    Face it. It's the apocalypse.

  11. #3686

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    Emails Detail Effort to Silence C.D.C. and Question Its Science
    Emails from a former top Trump health official and his science adviser show how the two refused to accept Centers for Disease Control and Prevention science and sought to silence the agency.

    By Noah Weiland
    Sept. 18, 2020, 2:03 p.m. ET

    WASHINGTON — On June 30, as the coronavirus was cresting toward its summer peak, Dr. Paul Alexander, a new science adviser at the Department of Health and Human Services, composed a scathing two-page critique of an interview given by a revered scientist at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Dr. Anne Schuchat, a 32-year veteran of the C.D.C. and its principal deputy director, had appealed to Americans to wear masks and warned, “We have way too much virus across the country.” But Dr. Alexander, a part-time assistant professor of health research methods, appeared sure he understood the coronavirus better.

    “Her aim is to embarrass the president,” he wrote, commenting on Dr. Schuchat’s appeal for face masks in an interview with the Journal of the American Medical Association.


    “She is duplicitous,” he also wrote in an email to his boss, Michael R. Caputo, the Health and Human Services Department’s top spokesman who went on medical leave this week. He asked Mr. Caputo to “remind” Dr. Schuchat that during the H1N1 swine flu outbreak in 2009, thousands of Americans had died “under her work.”


    From a Trump science adviser’s critique of C.D.C. scientist Anne Schuchat.

    Of Dr. Schuchat’s assessment of Covid-19’s dangers, he fumed, wrongly, “The risk of death in children 0-19 years of age is basically 0 (zero) … PERIOD … she has lied.”

    Dr. Alexander’s point-by-point assessment, broken into seven parts and forwarded by Mr. Caputo to Dr. Robert R. Redfield, the C.D.C. director, was one of several emails obtained by The New York Times that illustrate how Mr. Caputo and Dr. Alexander attempted to browbeat career officials at the C.D.C. at the height of the pandemic, challenging the science behind their public statements and attempting to silence agency staff.

    Far from hiding what they knew about the virus’s danger, as Bob Woodward’s new book contends President Trump was doing, the emails seem to indicate that aides in Washington were convinced of their own rosy prognostications, even as coronavirus infections were shooting skyward.

    At the same time, Mr. Caputo moved to punish the C.D.C.’s communications team for granting interviews to NPR and attempting to help a CNN reporter reach him about a public-relations campaign. Current and former C.D.C. officials called it a five-month campaign of bullying and intimidation.

    For instance, after Mr. Caputo forwarded the critique of Dr. Schuchat to Dr. Redfield, C.D.C. officials became concerned when a member of the health department’s White House liaison office — Catherine Granito — called the agency to ask questions about Dr. Schuchat’s biography, leaving the impression that some in Washington could have been searching for ways to fire her.

    In another instance, Mr. Caputo wrote to C.D.C. communications officials on July 15 to demand they turn over the name of the press officer who approved a series of interviews between NPR and a longtime C.D.C. epidemiologist, after the department in Washington had moved to take ownership of the agency’s pandemic data collection.

    “I need to know who did it,” Mr. Caputo wrote. A day later, still without a reply, Mr. Caputo wrote back. “I have not received a response to my email for 20 hours. This is unacceptable,” he said. “I need this information to properly manage department communications. If you disobey my directions, you will be held accountable.”

    On Wednesday, Mr. Caputo went on leave from the department, just days after he attacked C.D.C. scientists during a bizarre Facebook video in which he predicted armed insurrection after the election and encouraged his followers to stock up on ammunition.

    C.D.C. scientists “haven’t gotten out of their sweatpants except for meetings at coffee shops” to plot “how they’re going to attack Donald Trump next,” Mr. Caputo said in the video.

    The department also announced that Dr. Alexander would leave the government.


    On Friday, a department spokeswoman referred The Times to its Wednesday statement announcing Mr. Caputo’s leave and Dr. Alexander’s departure. She added that Mr. Caputo, in his comments about interview approvals, had been trying to make sure that the C.D.C. followed protocols dating to prior administrations that the department clear interview requests for health officials. The C.D.C. did not have an immediate comment, nor did Mr. Caputo.


    Dr. Paul Alexander, a Health and Human Services science adviser, criticized the C.D.C.’s principal deputy director.

    In the months leading up to their exits, the two had routinely worked to revise and delay the C.D.C.’s closely guarded and internationally admired health bulletins, called Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports, in an effort to paint the administration’s pandemic response in a more positive light.

    Far from apologetic, Dr. Alexander told The Globe and Mail of Toronto this week that the C.D.C. had written “pseudoscientific reports” and that he was better suited to examine data than agency scientists.

    “None of those people have my skills,” Dr. Alexander said. “I make the judgment whether this is crap.”

    The judgments he rendered — and the punishments that Mr. Caputo appeared intent to mete out — had a demoralizing effect on the agency.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/18/u...4c512afbcd939d
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  12. #3687

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    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    But that is because of crippling budget cuts, not because of political interference. As a reputable scientific institution, it is still very relevant.
    And anyway, the U.S. image as the world leader in all scientific endeavors by now is gone. Big science is being done all over the world (except Russia and non-developed countries).
    Not sure their science has been questioned, but Space Force definitely feels like political interference.

    And I think this is generally overstating the demise of the US's image in scientific endeavors. NIH is still highly reputable around the world.

  13. #3688

    Re: covid-19 Virus Updates and Discussion

    USA still has the best scientific research anywhere, at least in the fields I know. It is not as dominant as 30 years ago, but that's more because of advances elsewhere (China in particular) than any decline in US.

    Part of the political class ignoring what they are told is a completely different story. I guess if it were to continue for very long there would be actual damage to research as well. Mostly via greatly restricting flow of people and information.
    Roger forever

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