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  1. #271

    Re: The Road to...The Senate

    Something we shouldn't forget:

    Scott DesJarlais @DesJarlaisTN04

    House Democrats ran secret impeachment hearings. Called partisan donors to testify. Refused to call others who would contradict their hoax. Refused to wait out court reviews. Now impeaching the President for “obstruction of Congress.” They turned this entire process into a joke!
    Jesse Lee @JesseCharlesLee

    All the key witnesses were members of the Trump Administration. Republicans did not request any witnesses who "contradict" the overwhelming evidence because those witnesses do not exist. Trump's closest staffers were invited and subpoenaed to come, and Trump ordered them not to.

    Simon Rosenberg @SimonWDC

    All of Trump's allies who've been prosecuted have been charged by his DOJ. Comey, Rosenstein, Mueller were all Republicans. DOJ IG, IC IG, CIA General Counsel - all his people. Every Ukraine witness worked for Trump.

    Everything has been Trump people. Dems nowhere in this.
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

  2. #272

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    Now that the articles have been drawn up and released I do have more of an opinion about how the House handled what in effect was its role as Grand Jury.

    I'm glad they only offered two Articles. It will force Tiny and his cronies/lackeys to have to focus on those two issues. We all know that there are so many more issues they could've listed but that would, in my non legally trained opinion, have allowed Moscow Mitch et al to do what they've been doing and ranting about any and every little nuance. Imagine what they would've done if "Bribery" had been listed as a separate article?

    I think it was a smart move and further puts Tiny in a corner.

    Ari, Rachel and Lawrence should be great tonight.

    I always skip the Chris's because they both annoy me.
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

  3. #273

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    WaPo Updates Post #2

    12:30 p.m.
    Pelosi warns against the arrival of a ‘president-king’

    If House Democrats do not pursue the impeachment of Trump, they risk saying “goodbye to the republic” and “hello to the president-king,” Pelosi said during a public appearance early Tuesday afternoon.

    “It’s a very sad day actually, a solemn day,” Pelosi said during a moderated conversation at Politico’s Women Rule Summit in Washington.

    Pelosi argued that lawmakers are honoring their oaths of office and would be “delinquent” if they did not seek to impeach Trump.

    “I wish it were not necessary. I wish the president’s actions did not make it necessary,” she said.

    By John Wagner


    1:00 p.m.
    Three senators eyeing the White House voice support for impeachment

    Three presidential contenders who are sitting U.S. senators — Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Michael F. Bennet (D-Colo.) — voiced their support for the House’s decision to move forward with impeachment on Tuesday.

    As sitting senators, each would be called upon to participate in a Senate trial should the House vote to impeach the president. Each is seeking the Democratic nomination for the chance to unseat Trump in November, but they emphasized their constitutional duties as senators in their statements.

    “This is a sad, sobering moment for our country,” Booker tweeted. “This President violated his oath to the American people. Now, those of us who swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution have a duty to follow ours.”

    In his tweet, Sanders, posting under his official Senate account, called Trump “the most corrupt president in history, and he must be held accountable.”

    “I strongly believe the announcement of articles of impeachment are appropriate and necessary, and I call on the full House to pass them,” Sanders wrote. In the event impeachment passes the House, he called on Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to “quickly schedule a full trial in the Senate, where I will uphold my constitutional responsibility as a juror.”

    Bennett went so far as to say that if “evidence of the president’s wrongdoing and abuse of power continues to remain consistent with what we’ve seen, it’s likely I would vote to impeach.”

    By Kayla Epstein

    1:10 p.m.
    Grisham says White House expected more articles of impeachment

    White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said Tuesday that Trump aides had expected House Democrats to unveil four or five articles of impeachment instead of two.

    The narrower focus, she argued during an appearance on Fox News, is a sign that Democrats are having a hard time selling impeachment in their districts.

    “One of them is obstruction of Congress, which is code for, ‘He didn’t play nice with us,’ ” Grisham said. “‘You guys didn’t participate in Congress, so now we’re going to go ahead and hit you with obstruction of Congress.’ That’s silly.”

    The resolution unveiled Tuesday notes that Trump has refused to comply with subpoenas throughout the impeachment inquiry.

    Grisham also downplayed the article alleging abuse of power, suggesting that rough transcripts released by the White House of Trump’s calls with Zelensky showed no wrongdoing.

    By John Wagner

    1:30 p.m.
    Centrist Democrats skittish on impeachment consider voting down obstruction article

    A band of centrist House Democrats are skittish about backing a move to oust the president, privately floating the idea of a less severe punishment and the prospects of even voting against an impeachment charge against Trump.

    A group of 10 moderate Democrats from Trump-carried districts discussed their desire to vote to censure rather than impeach Trump during a Monday night huddle, according to a person familiar with the conversation who requested anonymity to share private conversations. The idea had been batted around by moderates worried about political blowback since the Thanksgiving break.

    Other moderate Democrats, eager to show independence from the party, have discussed voting down one article of impeachment pertaining to obstruction of Congress. These Democrats worry that there’s not enough evidence to suggest Trump tried to flout the legislature’s authority since ultimately these matters will be decided in the courts.

    The concerns come despite Pelosi’s move Tuesday to keep articles of impeachment narrowly focused on the Ukraine controversy as well as obstruction of Congress. Many lawmakers, including those on the House Judiciary Committee, also wanted a third charge of obstruction of justice, citing former special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s report. But Pelosi and her leadership team, knowing the fears of the moderates, ultimately chose a narrower scope.

    The idea of a censure has been raised multiple times before, including over the Thanksgiving recess by Rep. Brenda Lawrence (D-Mich.). However, Democrats in leadership argue that censuring Trump after all this work and investigation would be, essentially, acquitting him of wrongdoing — or at least suggesting his actions weren’t that bad.

    By Rachael Bade


    2:30 p.m.
    Bill Clinton says Congress ‘doing what they believe is right’ on Trump impeachment

    Bill Clinton, who was the second president in American history to be impeached by the House of Representatives, said that “Congress is doing what they believe is right” by moving forward with articles of impeachment against Trump.

    Clinton was asked about the Democrats’ decision while touring a high school in New York City as part of his work for the Clinton Foundation, Fox News reported.

    “They also said they were going to support the Mexico-Canada trade deal,” Clinton told Fox News. “They’re doing their job as they see it, and we should wait to see it unfold. And the rest of us should go about our jobs and do them as we see it.”

    In 1998, the Republican-controlled House impeached Clinton over charges that he lied under oath and obstructed justice. He was acquitted in a Senate trial the following year.

    By Kayla Epstein

    2:40 p.m.
    McConnell would be ‘totally surprised’ if Trump is convicted in Senate trial early next year

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) signaled Tuesday that a Senate trial would start in early January and said he would be “totally surprised” if there are 67 senators who vote to remove Trump from office.

    Speaking to reporters at the Capitol, McConnell said it remains unclear whether the trial would include testimony from witnesses, as Trump has publicly advocated.

    Ticking through the schedule of Senate business in coming weeks, McConnell said it is “not possible” to conduct a trial before the holiday recess and that he expects the Senate will return “right around the time the bowl games end,” referring to college football.

    House Democrats are seeking to hold a full House vote on impeaching Trump next week.

    McConnell said he anticipates a trial in which both House and impeachment managers and lawyers for the president would make opening arguments. After that, he said there would be two options: to proceed with calling witnesses or to end the proceedings if a majority of the Republican-led Senate is prepared to do so.

    He noted that he previously said he would be “totally surprised” if there are enough votes to convict Trump.

    “That remains my view,” McConnell said.

    By John Wagner

    3:15 p.m.
    Senate Democrats slam the ‘conspiracy caucus’

    Senate Democratic leadership warned their Republican colleagues not to indulge in conspiracy theories as the impeachment inquiry appeared to head toward a Senate trial.

    In recent weeks, Republicans, including Sens. John Neely Kennedy (La.) and Ted Cruz (Tex.), have echoed Trump’s debunked assertion that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 U.S. election as they’ve ramped up their defense of the president.

    On Tuesday, Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) labeled the GOP senators who advanced this theory as the “conspiracy caucus,” while Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) said that Democrats had to play “whack a mole” to stymie these disproved claims.

    “The president’s government is still not buying this wild-eyed theory of Ukrainian involvement in the 2016 campaign, and yet we continue to whack these moles down,” Durbin said. “I hope it’s time we put this behind us once and for all.”

    By Kayla Epstein
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

  4. #274

    Re: The Road to...The Senate

    Growing divide between Trump and McConnell over impeachment trial
    By Kaitlan Collins and Phil Mattingly, CNN

    Updated 12:21 PM ET, Tue December 10, 2019

    Trump and Mitch McConnell are both looking ahead to the Senate impeachment trial, but there is a growing divide between the two over what that trial should look like, CNN has learned.

    ... the Kentucky Republican has made clear he hopes to end the trial as soon as he can, an effort to both get impeachment off his lap and protect his conference from potentially damaging votes...

    But the show is exactly what Trump wants. He's made clear to advisers privately that rather than end the trial as quickly as possible, he is hoping for a dramatic event, according to two people familiar with his thinking. He wants Hunter Biden, Rep. Adam Schiff and the whistleblower to testify. He wants the witnesses to be live, not clips of taped depositions. And he's hoping to turn it into a spectacle, which he thinks is his best chance to hurt Democrats in the election.
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

  5. #275

    Re: The Road to...The Senate

    WaPo Updates Post #3

    3:20 p.m.
    Impeachment trial ‘has to come first’ for 2020 candidates, Schumer says

    A Senate impeachment trial early next year could interfere with campaign schedules for the five senators running for the Democratic presidential nomination.

    But Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) offered no concessions when asked about the situation Tuesday, telling reporters that for those senators, “This has to come first.”

    “This is one of the most solemn decisions that anyone has to make, and I’ve told all members of my caucus that scheduling concerns are secondary to doing this the right way,” Schumer said at a news conference on Capitol Hill.

    The leader’s comments came after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) signaled that a trial would start in early January.

    The presidential primary season begins Feb. 3 with the Iowa caucuses.

    By Elise Viebeck

    3:45 p.m.
    Russian foreign minister leaves White House after meeting with Trump

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov left the White House on Tuesday afternoon after a scheduled Oval Office meeting with Trump.

    The meeting was part of Lavrov’s first trip to Washington since 2017. That earlier visit led to a firestorm of criticism after the Russian Embassy in Washington released images of him and other U.S. officials smiling and shaking hands in the Oval Office. The Russian delegation was allowed to bring a photographer in the room from the state news agency Tass while U.S. photojournalists were barred entry to the meeting.

    The White House has yet to release a readout of Tuesday’s visit.

    By John Wagner

    4:15 p.m.
    Spending talks continue with impeachment in the background

    Ten days from a government shutdown deadline, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin visited Capitol Hill on Tuesday to jump-start moribund spending talks, meeting with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and top appropriators to smooth the way to a fiscal accord ahead of the Dec. 20 deadline.

    House Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Nita M. Lowey (D-N.Y.) and Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.) emerged from the meeting upbeat, saying they expected to work over the next 48 hours to resolve minor issues in hopes of potentially striking a final deal Thursday, when Mnuchin is expected to return to the Capitol.

    “We’re adults. We’re appropriators,” said Lowey. “If there’s a commitment to get our work done, I intend to keep that commitment.”

    Congressional leaders have struggled to reach agreement on key issues since inking a sweeping budget deal over the summer that set top-line spending levels for fiscal 2020 and 2021. Negotiating the nitty-gritty of agency appropriations has been thornier — especially the issue of border wall construction and immigration enforcement funding.

    Multiple officials from both parties said there is a mutual understanding that border issues will have to be resolved somewhere close to the status quo, where Congress provides no specific money for the wall but President Trump retains the power to shift funds from elsewhere in the government.

    But the exact details of that arrangement, as well as strictures on detention beds for detained migrants and other immigration-related issues, could be trickier for the leaders to navigate.

    Those matters were not discussed in Tuesday’s meeting, Lowey said. But she added that Mnuchin helped reassure congressional leaders that Trump is interested in consummating a deal before the Christmas holiday despite his impending impeachment in the House.

    “He’s very cooperative,” she said. “I was very pleased with his tone. He was happy to be there. He made it clear that they want to get a deal.”

    By Mike DeBonis

    4:30 p.m.
    Trump’s face photoshopped onto supervillain in video calling his reelection ‘inevitable’

    A Twitter account affiliated with Trump’s reelection campaign tweeted a video of the president’s head photoshopped onto Thanos — the star villain from Marvel Studios’ popular “Avengers” film series — asserting that his reelection next year is “inevitable.”

    “House Democrats can push their sham impeachment all they want,” the tweet reads. “President Trump’s re-election is inevitable.”

    In the video, the photoshopped Thanos snaps his fingers, causing Pelosi, Nadler and other House leaders to disappear. It was tweeted Tuesday afternoon by Trump War Room, a verified Twitter account managed by Trump’s 2020 campaign.

    Many were quick to point out, however, that the “Avengers: Endgame” clip used in the video comes moments before Thanos realizes he has been outsmarted by the movie’s protagonists.

    By Michael Brice-Saddler

    5:00 p.m.
    House Republicans call for minority hearing on impeachment

    A group of House Republicans accused Nadler of ignoring their request for a minority hearing, according to a letter published Tuesday by the conservative House Freedom Caucus.

    “When considering the unprecedented speed at which the majority is moving towards impeaching a duly elected president, a delay under these circumstances is tantamount to a denial of our right to a minority hearing,” the letter, addressed to Nadler, reads.

    The letter is signed by 72 House Republicans, including Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.).

    “Under House rules, the minority is entitled to their own hearing on impeachment, but @RepJerryNadler has stonewalled,” tweeted Rep. Ted Budd (R-N.C.). “My colleagues and I are prepared to use every parliamentary tool available to get some kind of fairness.”

    By Michael Brice-Saddler

    5:30 p.m.
    Trump denounces ‘very weak’ articles of impeachment ahead of Pennsylvania rally

    Addressing reporters on the South Lawn of the White House before leaving for his rally in Pennsylvania, Trump disparaged the articles of impeachment unveiled by Democrats.

    “Even the Democrats, they couldn’t find very much,” Trump said. “Because they put up two articles that, frankly, are very weak. They’re very weak.”

    Trump praised Republicans who he said stuck together through the “witch hunt,” and celebrated an agreement with House Democrats on a North American trade deal announced earlier in the day, which the president called a “silver lining to impeachment.”

    He argued that Democratic lawmakers are using the trade agreement as a way to distract from impeachment.

    “The reason is they wanted to muffle down the impeachment because they’re embarrassed by it,” he said.

    By Michael Brice-Saddler

    6:30 p.m.
    House Democrats say Trump is unfit for office but eagerly deal with him on trade

    On one hand, Democrats called President Trump “a continuing threat to our democracy and national security.” On the other, they said he is a trustworthy partner in consummating the grandest trade deal the United States has ever negotiated.

    The nation saw a split screen Tuesday morning, in which House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) dashed from a somber announcement of articles of impeachment against the president to a jubilant proclamation of a revised North American trade accord — bewildering liberals who said Democrats were sending disastrously mixed messages about Trump 11 months before the 2020 election.

    But inside the confines of the House, the tandem moves made perfect sense: It is, multiple Democratic lawmakers said, the ultimate expression of the “walk and chew gum” mentality that Pelosi and other party leaders have been pushing since the earliest days of their majority, and it generated nearly universal acclaim from lawmakers Tuesday.

    “Imagine if we had caved to those people who would have said, ‘Why give the president a win?’* ” asked Rep. Jim Himes (D-Conn.), a member of the House Intelligence Committee who has pushed for impeachment. “We’d be torpedoing something that is good for the American people for political gain. That’s what the president is being impeached for, so we’re not going to do that.”

    Read more here.

    By Mike DeBonis and Rachael Bade
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

  6. #276

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    Giuliani says Trump asked him to brief Justice Dept. and GOP senators on his Ukraine findings

    Josh Dawsey
    Dec. 10, 2019 at 4:34 p.m. EST

    Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s personal lawyer, said Tuesday that the president has asked him to brief the Justice Department and Republican senators on his findings from a recent trip to Ukraine ahead of a likely Senate impeachment trial.

    “He wants me to do it,” Giuliani said in a brief interview. “I’m working on pulling it together and hope to have it done by the end of the week.”

    However, it is unclear whether GOP senators or Justice Department officials want information from Giuliani, whose meetings in Europe last week with Ukrainian sources drew condemnation from Democratic lawmakers and winces even from some Republicans.

    In a recent interview, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said he had no plans for Giuliani to appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee, which has launched an inquiry into former vice president Joe Biden and his communications with Ukrainian officials. Attorney General William P. Barr has counseled Trump in general terms that Giuliani has become a liability and a problem for the administration, as The Washington Post previously reported.

    A Justice Department spokeswoman declined to comment. The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    Two White House officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal conversations said that Trump did not instruct Giuliani to go to Ukraine. The president’s advisers were displeased about the trip, although Trump has not expressed those concerns, they said.

    Indeed, on Saturday, Trump appeared happy with his lawyer’s work, telling reporters that Giuliani was going to “make a report” to the attorney general and Congress.

    “He says he has a lot of good information,” Trump said, adding, “I hear he has found plenty.”

    Meanwhile, federal prosecutors in New York are scrutinizing Giuliani’s ties to two recently indicted associates and his consulting business as part of a broad probe of possible foreign-lobbying violations and other potential crimes, according to people familiar with the investigation.

    Giuliani said Tuesday that he has unsuccessfully sought to learn why he is under investigation in the Southern District of New York, the office he led as U.S. attorney in the 1980s.

    “They are refusing to tell us why they are investigating,” he said. Giuliani said he wants to present evidence that he is innocent to prosecutors but has not been given the chance.

    He said his former office is pursuing the “most unfair, vindictive investigation they have ever conducted.”

    “I believe that the leaks and the investigation is intended to intimidate me as the president’s lawyer,” Giuliani said. “I am fully confident that I did not commit any crimes of any kind. They’re going after the wrong guy. The more they try to intimidate me, the more I think, I better go get additional evidence.”

    The U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment.

    Giuliani said he returned Saturday from a trip that took him to Ukraine, Hungary and Vienna, where he said he was looking for documents and witnesses to buttress unproven claims he has made about Biden’s son Hunter, as well as the unfounded assertion that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election.

    Giuliani said he had gotten new documents and additional witnesses to participate in his effort, though he declined to provide details.

    He was accompanied by correspondents from the conservative One America News Network, which is producing a documentary about his work.

    While Giuliani was in Kyiv, he met with Andriy Derkach, a Ukrainian lawmaker who told The Post that he handed Giuliani documents on allegations relating to inefficient expenditure of U.S. government money on projects in Ukraine and other matters.

    Derkach, an independent lawmaker who was formerly a member of a pro-Russian party in parliament, went to the Dzerzhinsky Higher School of the KGB in Moscow. He is the son of a KGB officer who later served as head of Ukrainian intelligence.

    Giuliani said he also wanted to meet with former prosecutor general Viktor Shokin, but the latter was unable to travel to meet him, he said.

    “I’m fearful Mr. Shokin is not healthy, and it is important to memorialize his testimony on tape,” Giuliani said.

    Devlin Barrett in Washington and Shayna Jacobs in New York contributed to this report.
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

  7. #277

    Re: The Road to...The Senate

    4:30 p.m.
    Trump’s face photoshopped onto supervillain in video calling his reelection ‘inevitable’

    A Twitter account affiliated with Trump’s reelection campaign tweeted a video of the president’s head photoshopped onto Thanos — the star villain from Marvel Studios’ popular “Avengers” film series — asserting that his reelection next year is “inevitable.”

    “House Democrats can push their sham impeachment all they want,” the tweet reads. “President Trump’s re-election is inevitable.”

    In the video, the photoshopped Thanos snaps his fingers, causing Pelosi, Nadler and other House leaders to disappear. It was tweeted Tuesday afternoon by Trump War Room, a verified Twitter account managed by Trump’s 2020 campaign.

    Many were quick to point out, however, that the “Avengers: Endgame” clip used in the video comes moments before Thanos realizes he has been outsmarted by the movie’s protagonists.

    By Michael Brice-Saddler

    John Fugelsang @JohnFugelsang

    Thanos is a deranged, evil, obese, bizarrely-colored authoritarian villain who causes mass suffering and is obsessed with his own daughter & ultimately dies defeated and despised.

    So, sure.

    Over to you, @Disney Legal Dept
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

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