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  1. #226

    Re: The Road to...The Senate

    Updates continued:

    4:30 p.m.
    Hearing resumes

    Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) gaveled the hearing back into session.

    By Felicia Sonmez

    4:50 p.m.
    First lady says Karlan should be ‘ashamed’ after joke about her son

    First lady Melania Trump scolded Pamela Karlan, of Stanford University law school, for making a joke that invoked her son Barron.

    “A minor child deserves privacy and should be kept out of politics. Pamela Karlan, you should be ashamed of your very angry and obviously biased public pandering, and using a child to do it,” Trump tweeted.

    Earlier in the hearing, Karlan, making a point about Trump not being king, said, “While the president can name his son Barron, he can’t make him a baron.”

    By Colby Itkowitz

    5:00 p.m.
    Hands up if you voted for Trump

    Several GOP members have accused the constitutional law experts picked by Democrats of being too biased to be credible impeachment witnesses. Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) took that criticism even further when he requested that the witnesses raise their hands if they voted against Trump in 2016.

    “I don’t think we’re obligated to say anything,” Stanford law professor Pamela Karlan interjected heatedly.

    Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) interjected to say that while McClintock had a right to ask the question, the witnesses did not need to answer it. So McClintock rephrased: “How many of you supported Donald Trump in 2016?”

    Harvard Law School professor Noah Feldman responded: “Not raising our hands is not an answer, sir.”

    Of the four witnesses, only one — George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley, the legal witness called by the GOP — volunteered how he voted in the last presidential election. He said at the outset that he had not voted for Trump – and yet Republicans deferred to his testimony opposing impeachment repeatedly.

    Turley insisted that he was not testifying that the evidence against Trump would not ultimately be a convincing case for impeachment, just that Democrats had “burned two months…two months that you could have been in court” to determine whether the president’s actions were simply “obnoxious” or “impeachable.”

    By Karoun Demirjian

    House Judiciary Dems
    The President’s direction, more than a dozen members of the administration have defied congressional subpoenas. The following slide lists those who have refused to comply at the President’s direction:
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

  2. #227

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    Adam Klasfeld

    Rep. Steube ends his time asking Chairman Nadler to set a date for the minority hearing.

    The chairman coolly replies: "The gentleman is called for questioning of witnesses, not colloquy with colleagues."

    Adam Klasfeld @KlasfeldReports

    The ever-quotable Professor Karlan:

    "The President can name his son Barron but not make him a baron."

    Professor Karlan has just apologized for this remark, adding that she hoped the president would respond in kind by apologizing for certain remarks.
    Matt Fuller @MEPFuller

    Ah, I see we’re gonna pretend that a law professor making a play on words — “While the president can name his son ‘Barron,’ he can’t make him a Baron — is AN ATTACK UPON THE CHILD OF THE PRESIDENT.
    Bob Cesca @bobcesca_go

    Rush Limbaugh, on television, referred to then 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton as "the White House dog." THAT'S a smear against a child. The Barron remark wasn't even in the same dimension of space-time. #CrazyPills
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

  3. #228

    Re: The Road to...The Senate

    Laurence Tribe
    @tribelaw @RepJoeNeguse
    just nailed @JonathanTurley by asking him if any other president had EVER issued a sweeping order that NO Executive Branch official comply with ANY Congressional subpoena in an impeachment inquiry. Turley claimed not to know. The right answer is NO.
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

  4. #229

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    Adam Klasfeld @KlasfeldReports

    Rep. Collins called for House Intel Chairman Schiff to testify.

    Reminder: Yesterday's Ukraine report revealed phone records tying Ranking Member Nunes to Rudy Giuliani and his now-indicted associate Lev Parnas. Collins has not called for Nunes to testify.

    Chairman Nadler slams the "process complaints" of his colleagues, saying the strategy is because "There is no factual defense" for President Trump.

    Adam Klasfeld

    After Chairman Nadler finishes his address, Ranking Member Collins asks permission to write a dissenting response to the Intel Committee's Ukraine report.

    "Noted," Nadler says curtly.

    House GOP rush for other motions. Having none of it, Nadler adjourns.

    Some 8.5 hours later.
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

  5. #230

    Re: The Road to...The Senate

    A rhetorical question..... I just watched some tape of some of yesterday's hearings. My question is: Do any of these Republicans ever stop to think, or even care, just how incredibly ignorant history is going to make them look? We've seen galling levels of stupidity from them throughout this administration, but this group is trolling for new levels of ignorant, inappropriate behavior.


  6. #231

    Re: The Road to...The Senate

    Serious reply. I do not believe that American politics have a window of action longer than the next election. By that I mean that politicians are simply focused on the next electoral cycle and how to retain their seat. John Oliver ran a small charade a few years ago in which he asked an Australian politician what was the most important facet of his job. The reply was a long exposition about balancing what was best for his constituency and the country, how to improve conditions and many other lofty ideals. The American counterpart dead-panned "To win the next election".
    Part of the amorality of the GOP (I think) is precisely that they live in the absolute now. They do not take a historical view of what was and what can be, and are like feral animals: just search for food, eat it, find more. In this case, search for votes, try to collect them, search for more. With Trump still holding a large percentage of the GOP votes hostage, there is no place for morals.
    It is something like the tragedy of the commons but for politics. Vote are the finite resource. You have to make everything you can to get as much as you can, all else be damned.
    Missing winter...

  7. #232

    Re: The Road to...The Senate

    We have Citizens United to thank for the never ending chase after money by all politicians.
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

  8. #233

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    Giuliani is in Kyiv right now "criming" in plain sight.

    Aaron Blake @AaronBlake

    A pretty crazy story involving the Ukrainian politician Giuliani met with today, Andriy Derkach.

    Derkach has been trying to get his government to investigate Hunter Biden.

    His dad, Leonid Derkach, is a former head of Ukraine’s security services.

    According to the Kyiv Post and a BBC transcript, a 2000 article suggested Andriy Derkach could be the "Ukrainian Putin" -- a successor to President Leonid Kuchma.

    Per Kyiv Post, the article was discussed in a secret 2000 recording allegedly between Kuchma & Leonid Derkach.

    What were Kuchma and the elder Derkach allegedly discussing on that secret recording?

    Doing something about the journalist responsible for it, whom they pegged as Georgiy Gongadze, a regular critic of the Kuchma government.


    Here’s a transcript, per Andrew Wilson’s book, “Ukraine’s Orange Revolution”:

    KUCHMA: This Gongadze, yes?

    LEONID DERKACH: Yes, yes.

    KUCHMA: You can take care of him?

    LEONID DERKACH: The time for him to mouth off will come to an end. I’ll crush this f***er.


    In later recordings, one official says of Gongadze that they should “take him to Georgia and dump him there.” Kuchma responds, “The Chechens should kidnap him and ask for a ransom!”

    See attached screenshots from Wilson’s book. (…)


    Gongadze was killed later that year.

    Per the Baltimore Sun, his “headless body, splashed with acid, was discovered near Kiev in November 2000.”

    A month later, the recordings came out. The resulting protests were seen by some as a precursor to the 2004 Orange Revolution.

    In 2005 – the same year Kuchma left office -- a Ukrainian parliamentary commission labeled him and Leonid Derkach 2 of the 4 masterminds of the murder.

    A 3rd, former interior minister Yuri Kravchenko, was found dead earlier that year.

    In 2013, Gen. Aleksei Pukach, a former top aide to Kravchenko, was convicted of Gongadze’s murder.

    Gongadze's widow called for those who ordered the killing to be prosecuted too.

    There are still appeals taking place by Pukach.


    And that's how an article that called Andriy Derkach the "Ukrainian Putin" may have contributed to revolution in Ukraine, led to his dad being implicated in murder, and reverberates to this day in Ukraine ...

    ... where Derkach is now meeting with President Trump's lawyer.

    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

  9. #234

    Re: The Road to...The Senate

    WaPo Updates for 12/5/19

    8:40 a.m.
    Ukraine lawmaker seeking Biden inquiry meets with Giuliani in Kyiv

    KYIV, Ukraine — Trump’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani met Thursday in Ukraine with one of the key figures working to build a corruption case against Hunter Biden, the Ukraine official said in a Facebook post.

    The lawmaker, Andriy Derkach, posted photographs of himself meeting Giuliani in the Ukrainian capital Kyiv, vowing to set up an anti-corruption group in the Ukraine parliament.

    Derkach gave no further details of the meeting in the Facebook post. He could not immediately be reached for comment.

    But Giuliani’s presence in Ukraine advances efforts of Trump allies to create an alternative narrative in the rapidly moving impeachment investigation — tapping some of Ukraine’s most controversial figures who have spread theories of corruption and impropriety around Joe Biden, his son Hunter Biden and Ukraine interference in the 2016 election.

    Read more here.

    By David L. Stern and Robyn Dixon

    9:15 a.m.
    Pelosi asks committee chairs to proceed with articles of impeachment

    Pelosi said Thursday that Trump’s wrongdoing strikes at the heart of the Constitution and asked House committee chairs to proceed with articles of impeachment, saying lawmakers have “no choice but to act.”

    Her morning address is a clear sign that the Democratic-led House intends to impeach Trump in coming weeks.

    “The president leaves us no choice but to act, because he is trying to corrupt, once again, the election for his own benefit,” Pelosi said in remarks at the Capitol.

    “The president has engaged in abuse of power undermining our national security and jeopardizing the integrity of our elections. His actions are in defiance of the vision of our founders and the oath of office that he takes to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Sadly, but with confidence and humility, with allegiance to our Founders and our heart full of love for America, today I’m asking our chairman to proceed with articles of impeachment.”

    In her remarks, Pelosi gave no indication of how quickly the process would move. Nor did she say how narrowly crafted the articles of impeachment would be.

    Democrats have been divided over whether to focus solely on Trump’s conduct toward Ukraine or to include other questionable conduct, including his alleged obstruction of the investigation by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III into Russian election interference in the 2016 election.

    Pelosi’s comments come a day after a panel of law professors testified before the House Judiciary Committee. Three called by Democrats said Trump’s conduct toward Ukraine met the threshold for impeachment. A fourth called by the GOP cautioned against moving quickly, saying a solid case has not been established.

    Earlier this week, the House Intelligence Committee released a 300-page report contending Trump had placed his personal political interests above the national interests.

    By John Wagner and Mike DeBonis

    9:30 a.m.
    White House, Trump campaign react to Pelosi’s announcement

    White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham reacted to Pelosi’s announcement, saying she and Democrats “should be ashamed” and that the White House looks forward to a trial in the Republican-led Senate.

    “@realDonaldTrump has done nothing but lead our country — resulting in a booming economy, more jobs & a stronger military, to name just a few of his major accomplishments,” Grisham tweeted.

    In a statement issued shortly after Pelosi’s remarks, Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale derided the Democrats for moving to impeach Trump with an election looming.

    “We are less than a year away from Election Day 2020 and Democrats can’t possibly explain to the American people why they want to take the decision of who should be president out of the hands of voters,” Parscale said. “But impeaching the President has always been their goal, so they should just get on with it so we can have a fair trial in the Senate.”

    By John Wagner


    10:15 a.m.
    Trump says Pelosi decision sets bad precedent

    Trump lashed out at the “Do Nothing, Radical Left Democrats” following Pelosi’s announcement and said they are setting a bad precedent for future presidents.

    “This will mean that the beyond important and seldom used act of Impeachment will be used routinely to attack future Presidents,” Trump tweeted. “That is not what our Founders had in mind. The good thing is that the Republicans have NEVER been more united. We will win!”

    Trump said Democrats are trying to “hang their hats” on two calls he made with Zelensky that were “totally appropriate (perfect).”

    By John Wagner

    10:35 a.m.
    Shortly after Pelosi statement, Democrats announce vote on bill to lower prescription drug costs

    Less than two hours after announcing the House would proceed with impeachment, Pelosi and other top Democrats announced a vote next week on what is perhaps their top legislative agenda item: a bill to lower prescription drug prices.

    The vote on the Elijah E. Cummings Lower Drug Costs Now Act, also known as H.R. 3, will give Democratic lawmakers what they consider a significant accomplishment to tout going into the holiday recess amid the impeachment drama.

    The House bill is widely opposed by Republicans and is not expected to get a Senate vote. But it could help shape an eventual compromise with Trump and the congressional GOP.

    The vote also represents the fulfillment of a key campaign promise for House Democrats in 2018.

    “We are going to give Medicare the power to negotiate lower drug prices, and make those prices available to Americans with private insurance as well as Medicare beneficiaries,” Pelosi and other top Democrats said in a joint statement. “American seniors and families shouldn’t have to pay more for their medicines than what Big Pharma charges in other countries for the same drugs.”

    By Mike DeBonis


    10:45 a.m.
    House Judiciary to hear presentations on Intelligence Committee findings

    The House Judiciary Committee will meet Monday morning to receive presentations on Trump’s conduct toward Ukraine from lawyers for the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), chairman of the judiciary panel, announced Thursday.

    The hearing comes as the Judiciary Committee weighs articles of impeachment against Trump.

    Earlier this week, the Intelligence Committee unveiled a 300-page report that contends that Trump placed his personal political interests ahead of national interests when it comes to Ukraine.

    By John Wagner

    11:00 a.m.
    Schumer chides GOP for ‘hypocrisy’

    Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) on Thursday called the charges against Trump “extremely serious” and chided his Republican colleagues for several recent lines of attack against the Democratic-led House.

    “It is the height of hypocrisy to criticize the House for not including enough opportunities for the president to make his defense when the president’s refusing to participate,” Schumer said during remarks on the Senate floor. “It is the height of hypocrisy to say that there are not enough witnesses when we don’t hear a peep out of the Republicans urging the president to allow the witnesses that the House wanted to come forward. This hyperventilation about the length of the House process and the number of witnesses is simply ridiculous.”

    By John Wagner

    11:10 a.m.
    Pelosi says she’s ‘sorry the president made this necessary’

    Pelosi contended Thursday that Trump bore responsibility for the impeachment inquiry.

    “I’m really sorry the president made this necessary,” Pelosi said as she spoke to reporters at a weekly news conference nearly two hours after announcing that the House would move forward with articles of impeachment against Trump.

    Pelosi argued that Trump left lawmakers no choice given his conduct toward Ukraine.

    “If we do not act on this, the message to any future president … would be, ‘You can do whatever you want,’ ” Pelosi said.

    She declined to say what might be included in the articles of impeachment, saying it would be up to committee chairmen to make recommendations.

    Asked if she’s concerned that Democratic House members could face a backlash for impeaching Trump, Pelosi insisted she is not concerned.

    “This has absolutely nothing to do with politics,” she said. “It isn’t about politics, partisanship, Democrats and Republicans … It’s about the Constitution of the United States … So no, I’m not concerned.”

    By John Wagner and Mike DeBonis
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

  10. #235

    Re: The Road to...The Senate

    WaPo 12/5/19 Updates continued

    11:15 a.m.
    ‘Don’t mess with me when it comes to words like that,’ Pelosi tells reporter who asked whether she hates Trump
    (video at the link)

    Pelosi had just concluded her weekly news conference Thursday and was about to leave the room when a reporter shouted out a question.

    “Do you hate the president, Madam Speaker?” James Rosen, a reporter for Sinclair Broadcast Group, called out from a seat in the front row.

    Most times, the speaker ignores questions that are shouted at her in the hallways and briefing rooms of the Capitol.

    But Rosen’s query appeared to strike a nerve for Pelosi, who stopped in her tracks, turned to face the reporter and delivered an extraordinary rebuttal.

    “I don’t hate anybody,” Pelosi said sternly, pointing her finger at Rosen, a reporter she has previously dismissed as “Mr. Republican Talking Points.” Pelosi then referred to her Catholic upbringing and told Rosen, “Don’t accuse me.”

    “I did not accuse you,” the reporter responded. “I asked a question.”

    Read more here.

    By Felicia Sonmez

    11:40 a.m.
    Clyburn says ‘this is not an issue that we are going to whip’

    House Majority Whip James E. Clyburn (D-S.C.) suggested Thursday that Democrats would be free to vote as they choose on articles of impeachment without pressure from party leadership.

    “This is not an issue that we are going to whip,” Clyburn said in a statement. “This is an issue that we think each and every one of our members takes stock of who we are, and what we are, and what kind of country we want to have.”

    Clyburn went on to say that, in his view, some of the law professors who testified before the Judiciary Committee on Wednesday “made it clear that if these activities are not impeachable, then we probably ought to amend the Constitution of the United States and get rid of impeachment altogether.”

    By John Wagner

    11:50 a.m.
    Trump says Pelosi had a ‘nervous fit’

    Trump responded to Pelosi’s exchange with a reporter over whether she hates the president by claiming in a tweet that the speaker had just had “a nervous fit.”

    “She hates that we will soon have 182 great new judges and sooo much more,” Trump tweeted. “Stock Market and employment records. She says she ‘prays for the President.’ I don’t believe her, not even close. Help the homeless in your district Nancy. USMCA?”

    By Felicia Sonmez

    11:55 a.m.
    McCarthy says Pelosi has ‘weakened this nation’

    House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said Thursday that Pelosi had “weakened this nation” with her decision to move forward with articles of impeachment against Trump.

    “It’s not a day that history will be proud of,” McCarthy said at a weekly news conference at which he argued Democrats have long angled to remove Trump.

    “That was their goal from the very beginning,” McCarthy said.

    By John Wagner

    12:45 p.m.
    McCarthy dodges questions on why GOP didn’t investigate Bidens earlier

    House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) declined to say why Republicans didn’t investigate Joe and Hunter Biden when they had the majority in the House in 2017 and 2018.

    “Did you know any of the information?” McCarthy said in response to a question from a reporter after his weekly news conference. The California Republican repeatedly dismissed the fact that information about the Bidens’ actions regarding Ukraine were public knowledge before 2019.

    “No, no, it wasn’t — come on!” McCarthy said.

    Viktor Shokin was fired as Ukraine’s top prosecutor in 2016 under pressure from Biden and others. Biden later discussed the episode at a July 2018 Council on Foreign Relations panel, video of which has been recirculated by Trump and his defenders in recent months as the impeachment inquiry has ramped up.

    After a reporter continued to press him, McCarthy declined to answer and exited up a Capitol staircase.

    By Mike DeBonis

    12:50 p.m.
    Grisham says Pelosi leading a ‘subversion of the Constitution’

    In a new statement, White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham accused Pelosi of leading an impeachment drive that “moves this Country toward the most partisan and illegitimate subversion of the Constitution in our history.”

    The statement attacked Pelosi in unusually personal terms, saying that by announcing Democrats are moving forward with articles of impeachment she “did exactly what she always does — ignore the needs of the American people and advance her selfish political desires.”

    “Democrats in Congress have clearly abused their power,” Grisham said. “Democrats in Congress have lied to the American people. Democrats in Congress have made a mockery of the law. How many Democrats will join her driving right off the cliff with this illegitimate impeachment hoax?”

    By John Wagner
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

  11. #236

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    12/5/19 Updates Part 3

    1:15 p.m.
    Democrats consider bribery, obstruction for impeachment articles against Trump

    House Democrats are considering articles of impeachment against Trump that include obstruction and bribery, but are unlikely to pursue a treason charge as they weigh how to illustrate that the president’s activities involving Ukraine were part of what they see as a pattern of misconduct, according to congressional aides.

    Democratic members of the Judiciary Committee and the Intelligence Committee, which this week released a report of their findings from a two-month-long impeachment investigation, have said that they believe Trump’s actions vis-a-vis Ukraine meet the definition of bribery, one of the crimes the Constitution identifies specifically as an impeachable offense.

    Central to the Intelligence Committee’s findings is that Trump compromised U.S. national security when he held back diplomatic engagement and congressionally approved military aid from Kyiv, until Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky committed to publicly announce he was launching investigations into a debunked conspiracy theory surrounding a hacked Democratic National Committee server and of the son of former vice president Joe Biden, currently running to replace Trump in 2020.

    Read more here.

    By Karoun Demirjian and Mike DeBonis


    1:45 p.m.
    Pelosi tweets image comparing Trump to Nixon

    Pelosi’s political Twitter account tweeted a post Thursday comparing Trump and former president Richard M. Nixon and suggesting that Republicans who continue to back the president need to be voted out of office.

    In the black-and-white image tweeted by the account, both Nixon and Trump are looking downward. The words “I did nothing wrong” are shown next to Trump, while Nixon’s famous “I am not a crook” line is shown next to the former president’s scowling face.

    “We take an oath to defend our Constitution — not the president,” the tweet reads. “If Republicans in Washington don’t #DefendOurDemocracy by holding him accountable — they need to go, right along with him!”

    By Felicia Sonmez

    Nancy Pelosi
    We take an oath to defend our Constitution – not the president.

    If Republicans in Washington don’t #DefendOurDemocracy by holding him accountable – they need to go, right along with him!
    2:00 p.m.
    Trump says he’s not worried about impeachment hurting his legacy

    In an exchange with reporters in the Cabinet Room of the White House, Trump said he is “not at all” worried that impeachment could hurt his legacy as president.

    “It’s a hoax. It’s a hoax. It’s a big, fat hoax,” he said in the exchange, which came during a meeting with United Nations representatives from various countries.

    By Felicia Sonmez

    2:45 p.m.
    Schiff’s spotlight

    When Pelosi decided to endorse a formal impeachment inquiry of Trump, she put the gavel in the hands of one of her most trusted committee chairmen: House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.).

    For the past two months, Schiff has been the man at the center of a political firestorm, steering the House through an unprecedented investigation into whether Trump leveraged the power of his office and the resources of the country to exact personal, political favors from a foreign leader that could affect the next election.

    Read more here.

    By Melina Mara and Karoun Demirjian

    3:40 p.m.
    Top GOP member on Judiciary panel demands hearing with minority witnesses

    Rep. Douglas A. Collins (R-Ga.), the ranking Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, sent a letter to panel chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) on Thursday reiterating his demand for a hearing with GOP-selected witnesses that would take place before articles of impeachment are considered.

    Collins wrote that the minority party is entitled to its own hearing.

    “Considering the haste with which this sham impeachment has been conducted, it is imperative that you contact me or my office as soon as possible to consult on scheduling the requested minority hearing day,” Collins wrote.

    Collins made the ask in person during Wednesday’s Judiciary hearing, calling the process unfair to the Republicans. Nadler said only that he’d review Collins’s request to hold a minority day of hearings.

    By Colby Itkowitz

    4:30 p.m.
    Turley says he received threatening messages after testifying

    George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley, one of the four witnesses at Wednesday’s House Judiciary Committee hearing on impeachment, said Thursday that he has been the subject of threats in the wake of his testimony.

    “My call for greater civility and dialogue may have been the least successful argument I made to the committee,” Turley said in an op-ed published in the Hill.

    “Before I finished my testimony, my home and office were inundated with threatening messages and demands that I be fired from George Washington University for arguing that, while a case for impeachment can be made, it has not been made on this record,” he added.

    By Felicia Sonmez
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

  12. #237

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    12/5/19 Updates Part 4

    5:00 p.m.
    Giuliani says corruption in Ukraine is a ‘major obstacle’ to U.S. assistance

    Giuliani warned via Twitter that investigations into Biden and Ukraine need to be resolved or else U.S. aid to Ukraine could be in jeopardy.

    The president’s personal lawyer claimed that the conversations around corruption in Ukraine “was based on compelling evidence of criminal conduct by then VP Biden.”

    Giuliani added that until it’s resolved, “it will be a major obstacle to the US assisting Ukraine with its anti-corruption reforms.”

    It is unclear whether Giuliani, who was in Ukraine on Thursday meeting with a lawmaker there digging for dirt on Biden, was speaking from his own point of view or in his capacity as the president’s personal attorney. Giuliani is at the center of the impeachment inquiry for operating what some career diplomats have called a shadow foreign policy outside of normal channels to press for an investigation into Biden.

    In his tweets, Giuliani also lobbed an unsubstantiated accusation that Biden and other Obama administration officials “contributed to the increased level of corruption in Ukraine between 2014 to 2016.”

    “This evidence will all be released very soon,” Giuliani said.

    By Colby Itkowitz

    5:30 p.m.
    Trump to hold Michigan rally during week of likely impeachment vote

    The Trump campaign announced Thursday that the president will hold a rally in Battle Creek, Mich., on Dec. 18 — during the same week that the House will probably vote to impeach him.

    Battle Creek is in Michigan’s 3rd Congressional District, represented by Rep. Justin Amash, an independent who left the Republican Party over its uncritical support of Trump and is now leaning toward impeachment.

    The event will be a “Merry Christmas Rally,” according to the campaign. Trump has frequently railed against the “war on Christmas,” a term he and other Republicans have used to denounce the adoption of the more-inclusive phrase “Happy Holidays.”

    By Felicia Sonmez
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

  13. #238

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    The President’s personal lawyer continues to announce US policy—specifically that official US assistance hinges on Ukraine criminally investigating Joe Biden, the President’s political rival.

    john r stanton

    Trump is literally blackmailing Ukraine while being impeached for blackmailing Ukraine and his effing lawyer is out here YELLING ABOUT IT

    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

  14. #239

    Re: The Road to...The Senate

    There are a couple more updates:

    6:30 p.m.
    Ukrainian working with Giuliani says: ‘The TRUTH will come out.’

    Former Ukraianian diplomat, Andriy Telizhenko, tweeted a photo with Giuliani Thursday, and wrote that he and “America’s Mayor” were preparing for more meetings in Ukraine, including with Viktor Shokin, the former top prosecutor whom Biden pressured Ukraine to fire in 2016.

    “With America’s Mayor @RudyGiuliani prepping for tomorrow another hard working day in meetings with Mr. Shokin and Mr. Lutcenko. To all conspiracy theorist there is no secret on what we are doing.The TRUTH will come out. God Bless Ukraine and God Bless the United States of America,” Telizhenko wrote.

    Telizhenko first planted in Giuliani’s head in the spring the claim that Biden had done something nefarious in Ukraine related to his son, Hunter, and that Ukraine had interfered in the 2016 U.S. elections on behalf of Hillary Clinton.

    By Colby Itkowitz

    7:00 p.m.
    Biden says even if Senate won’t remove Trump, House had to act

    Biden told Telemundo in a wide-ranging interview that the House must move forward with impeachment even if it’s extremely unlikely the Senate will vote to remove Trump from office.

    “But look, the House has no alternative. Imagine if the House said, ‘We’re not gonna ... do anything about this.’ It gives a great, big flashing green to every president. You can violate the Constitution with impunity. And you can’t let that happen. You gotta set a standard,” Biden said, according to a transcript.

    When the reporter asked whether it was wrong that Hunter Biden made a lot of money working for foreign companies while his father was vice president, Biden wouldn’t engage.

    “I’m not gonna — and I know you’re not intending to do this — play the game to take the eye off the culprit,” Biden said. “The culprit here is, what may have looked bad but wasn’t anything wrong, is totally different than whether a president has held up $400 million in aid ...”

    By Colby Itkowitz
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa

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