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  1. #31

    Re: Brexit

    Quote Originally Posted by Drop-shot View Post
    Oh, I thought she still had one around called Boris.
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa





  2. #32

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    Channel 4 News
    @Channel4News

    "This daughter of immigrants needs no lectures from the north London, metropolitan, liberal elite."

    Home Secretary Priti Patel says she will "end the free movement of people once and for all".

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1179061961071501313


    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa





  3. #33

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    Pwn All The Things
    @pwnallthethings

    Folks need to get better at distinguishing requests designed to get agreement from requests designed to elicit negative responses because the next step is predicated on the rejection
    Let me give you an example. The UK's current Brexit strategy, as exemplified by the first three paragraphs of the letter



    You always lead with what's important. And what's important in this letter is who's to blame when you don't agree. Which tells you everything you need to know about the letter.

    Anyway. Sometimes the point of a letter is not to make an offer you'll accept, but to tell a different audience that you just rejected their reasonable offer.
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa





  4. #34

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    ‘Sack me if you dare,’ Boris Johnson will tell the Queen
    The Speaker, John Bercow, has been proposed as a national unity leader

    Tim Shipman and Caroline Wheeler
    October 6 2019, 12:01am,
    The Sunday Times

    Boris Johnson will dare the Queen to sack him rather than resign as prime minister in an attempt to drive through Brexit on October 31, cabinet ministers have revealed.

    In an unprecedented escalation of the constitutional crisis, senior aides said Johnson would not stand aside if his proposals were rejected by Brussels and MPs tried to unseat him to avert a no-deal Brexit.

    They said Johnson was prepared to “squat” in Downing Street even if MPs declare no confidence in his government and agree a caretaker prime minister to replace him.

    Sources say MPs and peers have even discussed the idea of Commons Speaker John Bercow taking on the job, although some involved in the talks do not think he could command majority support.

    Senior Tories also claimed Johnson would sit tight if he were found in contempt of court for ignoring the Benn Act, a law passed by remainer MPs to prevent no deal, unless he faces jail.

    One senior figure said: “Unless the police turn up at the doors of 10 Downing Street with a warrant for the prime minister’s arrest, he won’t be leaving.”

    Together, Johnson’s plans mean that the clashes in parliament and the Supreme Court may be only the opening salvos in what promises to be the biggest constitutional storm in centuries.

    The details emerged as Johnson’s draft deal with Brussels appeared to be on life support. EU bosses announced on Friday night that Johnson’s proposal to remove the Northern Ireland backstop was “not the basis of a deal”.

    Sources close to Michel Barnier, the EU negotiator, told The Sunday Times this weekend: “We are not going into the tunnel,” meaning the process of line-by-line negotiations that would signal a possible breakthrough.

    Johnson will have telephone calls with his fellow EU leaders, including a planned conversation with Leo Varadkar, the taoiseach, on Wednesday.

    Steve Barclay, the Brexit secretary, will travel to Holland today to drum up support for Johnson’s plans. The prime minister’s chief negotiator, David Frost, will return to Brussels and his senior aide Sir Edward Lister is expected to travel later to Dublin.

    However, insiders said they expected the EU to signal that the talks were going nowhere as early as tomorrow, triggering a vicious blame game.

    Opposition MPs and Tory rebels plan to act if Johnson refuses to agree a delay to the Brexit deadline of October 31 — installing a veteran such as Dame Margaret Beckett as caretaker in his place.

    It has been assumed by members of the “rebel alliance” that if a caretaker prime minister commanded majority support, Johnson would be duty-bound to resign. But he could refuse to resign or recommend the name of any successor to the Queen.

    A senior cabinet minister said: “Our opponents have flouted convention and there is nothing in the Fixed-term Parliaments Act that says you have to resign. The Queen is not going to fire the prime minister. She would dissolve parliament and let the people decide.”

    The last time a monarch sacked a prime minister was in 1834, when William IV dismissed Lord Melbourne.

    In a bid to pile the pressure on Johnson, Sir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, will tomorrow try to force a parliamentary vote to demand that the government publish the entire legal text of his Brexit plan — something he has resisted, despite demands from Jean-Claude Juncker, the European Commission president, and Varadkar.

    Starmer said: “The legal text is important because we suspect it will confirm that the government’s proposals unavoidably mean the introduction of infrastructure in Northern Ireland, and that this will contradict the assurances Johnson gave in the House on Thursday.

    “We also think the text will show how the government plans to replace the current commitments to protect workers’ rights.”

    Behind the scenes, ministers are warning Juncker and Barnier that they are “out of touch” with British public opinion and that they are risking “disaster” unless they do a deal with Johnson. A senior No 10 source warned that refusing a deal would simply lead to Johnson winning an election on a no-deal manifesto — or leave triumphant if remainers secured a new referendum.

    “If they listen to the people who lost the last referendum, there will be a disaster,” the source said. “There will be an election. We are going to win it. If Boris has a majority, we can leave with no deal. They need to face political reality.”

    Despite the downbeat tone in Brussels, sources in Berlin suggested Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, is still ready to thrash out a deal at an EU summit on October 17.

    Insiders say Johnson will have to give ground on customs controls between Northern Ireland and the republic, and the veto powers over EU regulations that his blueprint grants to the DUP.

    A senior government source predicted no breakthrough: “I’ve watched SW1 claim for 10 years that Merkel will change the game. She won’t. The most they’ll do is nudge the French if Ireland wants to do a deal. They won’t pressure Ireland.”

    A Labour source said: “The mood is that the talks will collapse tomorrow.”

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...ueen-fsbpsnjdc
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa





  5. #35

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    There has got to be some sociological phenomenon that has taken place in the last generation that has led to the rise of these sort of men that claim to be democrats but are nowhere near.
    Something in the last 25 years must have happened in the world that have made these maniacs bent in destroying democracy appear everywhere.
    Missing winter...

  6. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    There has got to be some sociological phenomenon that has taken place in the last generation that has led to the rise of these sort of men that claim to be democrats but are nowhere near.
    Something in the last 25 years must have happened in the world that have made these maniacs bent in destroying democracy appear everywhere.
    If anyone finds a decent writing, please share, I'd love to know as well.
    Meet again we do, old foe...

  7. #37

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    Mike Galsworthy
    @mikegalsworthy
    ·
    2h
    Remember when they told you Brexit was about ‘slashing red tape’?

    It wasn’t true.

    The EU ‘bureaucrats’ & ‘technocrats’ were tasked with removing red tape.

    That’s why the reality of leaving the EU is a surge in red tape - as this Govt info ad shows:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1184094432011964417
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa





  8. #38

    Re: Brexit

    Boris has kept his word and a new Brexit deal has been signed with EU and the hated backstop has been dropped. Now the question is whether he has the votes to pass it. Superficially seems like no (DPU is voting no), but you never know. It all depends on political considerations of the opposition MP's. They aren't really risking much, it's either this deal or an extension.
    Roger forever

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