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  1. #1651

    Re: The Run to the WH

    Quote Originally Posted by mmmm8 View Post
    I wasn't defending her in any way. I actually think it might be worse to be a mercenary than to be part of a brainwashed cult. It's especially damning to show a mercenary nature if your political stance is rooted in idealism. But I guess if the aim here is also to appeal to members of a brainwashed cult of personality
    I misread you completely. My bad. Sorry.
    Face it. It's the apocalypse.

  2. #1652

    Re: The Run to the WH

    Murrow's Girl @MadelineTriebw3
    Replying to @LincolnsBible
    There is no doubt in my mind that Barr will announce the indictments of former Obama officials as their October surprise.
    Hieronymus McGillicuddy @HieronymusMcG
    Too little too late. You had four years, and wait until now?

    I hope that the American people have seen this crap enough times to not get taken in. The MAGAt 40% will buy it, and maybe Nina and Brie Brie and that bunch will try to sell it, but not reasonable people.
    Interesting conversation I stumbled onto. Hieronymus should know it doesn't mean they won't try.
    “No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.” – Lily Tomlin.




  3. #1653

    Re: The Run to the WH

    Trump and his spinners are suddenly freaking out about Florida. Here’s why.

    Opinion by
    Greg Sargent
    August 5, 2020 at 10:48 a.m. EDT

    After spreading endless lies about vote-by-mail’s supposed susceptibility to fraud, President Trump and his family members — who often double as his propagandists — are suddenly scrambling to reassure voters that mail-balloting is actually tremendously secure and reliable.

    Yet they are mainly doing this in one particular state — Florida, which just happens to be an absolute must-win for Trump.

    But in undertaking this new scramble, Trump and his spinners are actually reminding us of the degree to which they are willing to corrupt our election on his behalf. The stakes are incredibly high: Large numbers of voters could be disenfranchised, allowing Trump to prevail.

    This push comes in the form of a new Trump campaign ad from Lara Trump, the president’s daughter-in-law, and a new tweet from the president himself.

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Nevada has ZERO infrastructure for Mail-In Voting. It will be a corrupt disaster if not ended by the Courts. It will take months, or years, to figure out. Florida has built a great infrastructure, over years, with two great Republican Governors. Florida, send in your Ballots!
    7:08 AM · Aug 5, 2020

    The ad from Lara Trump, which is addressed directly to Florida voters, declares:

    My father-in-law, President Trump, has always supported absentee voting, with safeguards in place. We want you to know there is a difference between the Democrat-imposed vote-by-mail systems and the vote-by-mail systems you have in Florida.
    In Florida, you as the voter must both register and request your absentee ballot. This is very different and much more secure a process than when the Democrats mail everyone in the state a ballot, often resulting in ballots being mailed to abandoned addresses and individuals not registered to vote.
    Lara Trump then urges Florida voters to obtain their absentee ballots.
    The distinction that Lara Trump and the president are making here — between systems that automatically mail out ballots, and ones that require you to request one — is central to a much larger deceptive goal.

    That goal is simple: to delegitimize vote-by-mail in states where they think it will hurt Trump, while legitimizing it in places where they think it will help him — such as Florida — to ensure that as many of his voters as possible utilize it if they would otherwise skip voting out of fear of the pandemic.

    But the distinction is highly deceptive.

    Vote-by-mail is safe

    As of now, unlike Florida, most of the major swing states automatically mail out applications for absentee ballots. This is not the same as mailing out ballots (the sort of “Democrat-imposed” systems Lara Trump referenced). That’s only done in a handful of states, mostly ones that do all vote-by-mail elections. Nevada will now mail out ballots; hence the president’s rage.

    What Lara Trump isn’t telling you is that both states that mail out applications for ballots and ones that mail out ballots themselves have extensive verification systems built in to safeguard against exactly the thing she is warning of.

    This includes everything from only mailing out applications (or ballots) to already registered voters to all sorts of safeguards that ensure the voter’s identity, such as matching mail ballot signatures to voter registration records, as Ryan Teague Beckwith points out.

    This is exactly why fraud in mail voting is very rare, even if some mailed-out ballot applications (or ballots) in states that do this actually do end up getting misdirected. (The safeguards are designed for precisely this.) When Lara Trump suggests that only systems that require you to request your ballot have “safeguards,” and “Democrat” ones don’t, that’s steaming nonsense.


    But it’s actually worse than that. Because the “safeguards” that Lara Trump and the president are talking about not only do exist in other states; in some cases they are too strict, given pandemic conditions. That being the case, Trump is relying on them to help invalidate the votes of people who vote against him.

    Trump’s real game plan

    As I’ve reported, Trump and Republicans are relying on state laws in virtually all the swing states that, among other things, invalidate mail ballots that are postmarked before election day but arrive after it. This is what you might call a "safeguard.” Meanwhile, Trump’s handpicked chief of the U.S. Postal Service is implementing reforms that are unleashing large mail delivery delays.

    Those state laws could make the disenfranchising effects of those delays worse, voting rights experts say, by resulting in untold numbers of ballots that arrive late being invalidated. Democrats are litigating in those states to get late-arriving ballots accepted. Trump and Republicans are fighting against that, screaming about fraud.


    So, to be clear, they are demanding that “safeguards” like that one remain in place in those other swing states in order to invalidate votes they think will be against them — even if those votes arrive late due to postal delays amid pandemic-driven vote-by-mail demand and through no fault of voters themselves.

    If Trump is narrowly ahead on election night with millions of mail ballots still uncounted, he will declare that all those outstanding votes in supposedly non-secure states are fraudulent — potentially fomenting violent civil conflict by declaring the election stolen if votes counted later tip the result against him.

    At the same time, he’s already declaring that mail votes in Florida will be valid.

    At the core of this ugly game, as Brian Beutler points out, is the fact that Florida has a lot of seniors. Older voters can be expected to vote promptly and thus see votes counted by Election Day even if they vote by mail. Seniors are both a key Trump demographic and are rightly terrified of the pandemic Trump did so much to exacerbate.

    They might be inclined to avoid in-person voting. So Team Trump is scrambling to remind them that vote-by-mail is good when they do it.

    But in the end, the new messaging from Lara Trump and the president isn’t just about getting his voters to vote by mail. It also serves the nefarious goal of legitimizing in advance mail votes in places where he thinks they will help him, while delegitimizing them in advance where he thinks they will hurt him.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ida-heres-why/
    “No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.” – Lily Tomlin.




  4. #1654

    Re: The Run to the WH

    Natalie Fertig
    @natsfert
    Some context for everyone who isn't used to all-mail voting. It's midday (PST) on the day after the primary election, and Washington state pretty much knows the outcome of all its races.

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...ampaign=626967
    “No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.” – Lily Tomlin.




  5. #1655

    Re: The Run to the WH

    Quote Originally Posted by Ti-Amie View Post
    Interesting conversation I stumbled onto. Hieronymus should know it doesn't mean they won't try.
    About the too little too late by Mr. Hieronymus: Was Comey's last minute "we will investigate Hillary" too little too late?
    Face it. It's the apocalypse.

  6. #1656

    Re: The Run to the WH

    There are rumors, true or not who knows, that there are only 2 names left on Biden's VP shortlist - Kamala Harris and Susan Rice. His closest advisers are pushing for Harris there as Obama is arguing for Rice. Strong possibility of the loser being nominated for AG (Harris) or Secretary of State (Rice).
    Roger forever

  7. #1657

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    Edge to Rise simply because the task to repair US foreign relations will be daunting. She will spend 4 years abroad, basically.
    Face it. It's the apocalypse.

  8. #1658

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    I agreed with Ponchi because he's right about what needs to be done overseas BUT domestically I think Harris will be the better choice. Rice was NSA chief right? Right now we need to rebuild the State Department and many people don't understand how badly Tiny has destroyed international relations not to mention national security.
    “No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.” – Lily Tomlin.




  9. #1659

    Re: The Run to the WH

    Well, in reality the next four years will be nothing but rebuilding. Covid is not going away. NATO needs to be re-assessed in the sense that the Europeans needs to be assured that the USA is reliable. Russia needs to be dealt with, as well as China.
    4 years will not be enough and, sincerely, Biden is not young enough to stay 8 years. Best thing he can do is: ensure that all Democrat leaning Supreme Courts retire and he can name people in the 55-65 age range. Ensure that the voting rights act is enhanced, and dismantle gerrymandering around the country. Clean up the political disaster in all those states that get GOP people elected because of cheating.
    He manages that and he will be an excellent president. Get that going, stay two years, hand over to Kamala/Susan and let them attempt 10 years of presidency (just to upset the GOP*). The economy will not get any better soon as long as this virus is around, so pretty much out of his hands.

    *Rules of succession in the USA. Can a VP that gets control for less than half the term run for re-election twice or only once?
    Face it. It's the apocalypse.

  10. #1660

    Re: The Run to the WH

    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    Well, in reality the next four years will be nothing but rebuilding. Covid is not going away. NATO needs to be re-assessed in the sense that the Europeans needs to be assured that the USA is reliable. Russia needs to be dealt with, as well as China.
    4 years will not be enough and, sincerely, Biden is not young enough to stay 8 years. Best thing he can do is: ensure that all Democrat leaning Supreme Courts retire and he can name people in the 55-65 age range. Ensure that the voting rights act is enhanced, and dismantle gerrymandering around the country. Clean up the political disaster in all those states that get GOP people elected because of cheating.
    He manages that and he will be an excellent president. Get that going, stay two years, hand over to Kamala/Susan and let them attempt 10 years of presidency (just to upset the GOP*). The economy will not get any better soon as long as this virus is around, so pretty much out of his hands.

    *Rules of succession in the USA. Can a VP that gets control for less than half the term run for re-election twice or only once?
    Looking up LBJ situation after JFK assassination...via Wiki

    1963[edit]
    November 22 – Following the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, Johnson becomes the president of the United States. He is sworn in on Air Force One while the plane is still in Dallas, with former First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy at his side.
    November 27 – President Johnson addresses a joint session of Congress calling on legislators to fulfill Kennedy's legacy and pass civil rights and tax legislation.
    December 17 – Clean Air Act

    1964

    August 27 – President Johnson accepts the nomination of Democratic Party candidate for President of the United States at the Democratic National Convention.[170]
    August 28 – President Johnson delivers remarks via telephone opening the Parade of Progress in downtown Cleveland, Ohio.[171]
    August 28 – President Johnson delivers remarks in Atlantic City Before the Democratic National Committee in Room 20 at Convention Hall in Atlantic City, New Jersey.[172]

    November[edit]
    November 3 – President Johnson wins re-election against Senator Barry Goldwater from Arizona, the Republican candidate.
    “No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.” – Lily Tomlin.




  11. #1661

    Re: The Run to the WH

    Two thoughts:

    - Harris is a safer pick than Rice. No Obama era baggage, much harder to attack
    - Unless Biden dies in office there won't be any coronation for his VP. The next non-Biden primary will still be a competitive free for all with only a slight advantage for the VP. As it should!
    Roger forever

  12. #1662

    Re: The Run to the WH

    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    Well, in reality the next four years will be nothing but rebuilding. Covid is not going away. NATO needs to be re-assessed in the sense that the Europeans needs to be assured that the USA is reliable. Russia needs to be dealt with, as well as China.
    4 years will not be enough and, sincerely, Biden is not young enough to stay 8 years. Best thing he can do is: ensure that all Democrat leaning Supreme Courts retire and he can name people in the 55-65 age range. Ensure that the voting rights act is enhanced, and dismantle gerrymandering around the country. Clean up the political disaster in all those states that get GOP people elected because of cheating.
    He manages that and he will be an excellent president. Get that going, stay two years, hand over to Kamala/Susan and let them attempt 10 years of presidency (just to upset the GOP*). The economy will not get any better soon as long as this virus is around, so pretty much out of his hands.

    *Rules of succession in the USA. Can a VP that gets control for less than half the term run for re-election twice or only once?
    They can run for re-election twice in that instance, from my understanding.
    "And for my next fearless prediction..."

  13. #1663

    Re: The Run to the WH

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff in TX View Post
    They can run for re-election twice in that instance, from my understanding.
    Yes. Per the 22nd Amendment:

    Section 1

    No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
    (There are two sections, and section 2 is just about ratification.)
    Go Pack Go!

  14. #1664

    Re: The Run to the WH

    Seth Abramson@SethAbramson

    (NOTE) Media has about a week left to ask the Republican National Committee and Donald Trump Jr. whether the vanity publication the two will be collaborating on to raise money for Trump used illegal foreign election assistance in the form of foreign disinformation and "research."
    “No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.” – Lily Tomlin.




  15. #1665

    Re: The Run to the WH

    Jeremy Barr @jeremymbarr
    Seems like he’s clearly doing a bit here?

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1292133751862984704
    Bobby Lewis @revrrlewis
    "have you picked a running mate yet?"
    "yeah i have"
    "you have? who is it?"
    "you"

    not sure how that became "biden tells fox news he has chosen running mate" lol
    Dave Weigel@daveweigel

    Looks to me like Biden was messing with Doocy, not saying he has a running mate picked. (Doocy got on Biden’s nerves during primary, especially when he asked about Hunter’s paternity test “making you a grandfather again.”)
    John Whitehouse
    @existentialfish
    Fox News homepage trying to recover from Biden trolling Peter Doocy.

    “No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.” – Lily Tomlin.




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