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    Re: Tennis Players Random, Random

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie02123 View Post
    Svitolina is in real danger of me being able to recognize her in pictures.
    It's the private jet
    Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.

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    Re: Tennis Players Random, Random

    Quote Originally Posted by MeganFernandez View Post
    It's the private jet
    “No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.” – Lily Tomlin.

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    Been playing a long while Deuce*'s Avatar
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    Re: Tennis Players Random, Random

    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    Since when does something have to carry a meaning for some people to be offended?
    You have spoken at length about social media. One of the reason I am not in any platform is precisely because there are always some people offended by anything and everything. The other reason is because, as you also say, it is very hard to have meaningful conversations on these platforms.
    I don't know this kid. Maybe he is Scarface. Maybe he is Winnie The Pooh. Most likely, he is no worse than your average rapper.
    And I am not being flippant here, but I really must have misread CATCHER IN THE RYE because I don't recall Holden having a cause. If I read it correctly, he was a rebel for the simple fact of being one. Again, it was ages ago, so most likely I am wrong.
    Go and extend you middle fingers to random people on the street, or in a store... then tell me it has no meaning. Only if people completely ignore you and your extended middle fingers will I believe that it carries no meaning. And we both know that won't happen.

    Look, everyone knows what the meaning of the middle finger is. Hence, the reaction to the US Open trophy photo. 2+2=4. To do something like giving the middle finger salute in a photo which is supposed to represent the celebration of someone else's major accomplishment, and do so without explanation, is, at best, misplaced and extremely disrespectful. He can't claim it was meaningless - because he obviously did it to provoke a reaction. He knew damned well it would solicit reaction. And to solicit reaction means that it obviously has known meaning, and so is not meaningless. And apparently he didn't care that the reaction would be negative reaction - because that was very predictable.

    If this guy is trying to tell someone in particular - or some group in particular - to 'F*** Off' - which is the universal meaning of the extended middle finger - then at least there would be a purpose - though doing it in that photo would still be disrespectful to the actual purpose of the photo (to celebrate Naomi's win), and would still be severely misplaced. But there was no purpose stated. The purpose, then, it certainly seems, was simply to try to show 10 to 15 year old kids how 'cool' he is - perhaps so that they would buy his music. Maybe his PR agent told him to do it. Whatever the reason, it was very ill-conceived, completely unnecessary, disrespectful, immature, misplaced, and wrong - and I am a person who very much despises the current 'politically correct' wave which calls for everyone to be offended by everything.

    And... Holden's cause was, put simply, to both expose and fight against all the dishonesty and phoniness in this culture.
    Last edited by Deuce*; Today at 01:45 AM.
    * Yes, it's me (last seen on TW boards in 2009).

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