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    I.O.C. Gives Russia Major Punishment for Winter Olympics
    By REBECCA R. RUIZ and TARIQ PANJA DEC. 5, 2017

    LAUSANNE, Switzerland — Russia’s Olympic team has been barred from the 2018 Winter Games in Pyeongchang, South Korea. The country’s government officials are forbidden to attend, its flag will not be displayed at the opening ceremony and its anthem will not sound. Any athletes from Russia who receive special dispensation to compete will do so as individuals wearing a neutral uniform, and the official record books will forever show that Russia won zero medals.

    That was the punishment issued Tuesday to the proud sports juggernaut that has long used the Olympics as a show of global force but was exposed for systematic doping in previously unfathomable ways. The International Olympic Committee, after completing its own prolonged investigations that reiterated what had been known for more than a year, handed Russia penalties for doping so severe they were without precedent in Olympics history.

    The ruling cemented that the nation was guilty of executing an extensive state-backed doping program. The scheme was rivaled perhaps only by the notorious program conducted by East Germany throughout the 1960s, ’70s and ’80s.

    Now the sports world will wait to see how Russia responds. Some Russian officials have threatened to boycott if the I.O.C. delivered such a severe punishment.

    President Vladimir V. Putin seemed to be predicting a boycott of the Pyeongchang Games, since his foreign policy in recent years has been based on the premise that he has rescued Russia from the humiliation inflicted on it by the West after the collapse of the Soviet Union. His spokesman, Dmitri S. Peskov, has said no boycott was under discussion before the announcement, however, and the news broke late in the evening in Moscow when an immediate official reaction was unlikely.

    In barring Russia’s team, Olympic officials left the door open for some Russian athletes. Those with histories of rigorous drug testing may petition for permission to compete in neutral uniforms. Although it is unknown exactly how many will clear that bar, it is certain that the contingent from Russia will be depleted significantly. Entire sports — such as biathlon and cross-country skiing, in which Russia has excelled and in which its drug violations have been many — could be wiped out completely.

    Thomas Bach, president of I.O.C., has said he was perturbed not only by Russia’s widespread cheating but by how it had been accomplished: by corrupting the Olympic laboratory that handled drug testing at the Games, and on orders from Russia’s own Olympic officials.

    In an elaborate overnight operation at the 2014 Sochi Games, a team assembled by Russia’s sports ministry tampered with more than 100 urine samples to conceal evidence of top athletes’ steroid use throughout the course of competition. More than two dozen Russian athletes have been disqualified from the Sochi standings as a result, and Olympic officials are still sorting through the tainted results and rescinding medals.

    At the coming Games, Mr. Bach said Tuesday, a special medal ceremony will reassign medals to retroactive winners from Sochi. But, in light of legal appeals from many of the Russian athletes who have been disqualified by the I.O.C., it is uncertain if all results from Sochi will be finalized in time.

    The punishment announced Tuesday resembles what antidoping regulators had lobbied for leading up to the 2016 Summer Games, where Russia was allowed to participate but in restricted numbers. It is likely to face a legal appeal from Russia’s Olympic Committee.

    The decision was announced after top International Olympic Committee officials had met privately with Alexander Zhukov, the president of Russia’s Olympic Committee; Vitaly Smirnov, Russia’s former sports minister who was last year appointed Mr. Putin to lead a national antidoping commission to redeem Russia’s standing in global sports; and Evgenia Medvedeva, a two-time world skating champion.

    “Everyone is talking about how to punish Russia, but no one is talking about how to help Russia,” Mr. Smirnov said, sipping a hot beverage in the lobby of the Lausanne Palace Hotel before delivering his final appeal to officials that afternoon. “Of course we want our athletes there, and we want the Russian flag and anthem,” he said.

    But that appeal was rejected in light of the conclusions of Samuel Schmid, a former president of Switzerland whom the Olympic committee appointed last year to review the findings of a scathing investigation commissioned by the World Anti-Doping Agency.

    Tuesday’s penalty was in line with what had been advocated by two key whistle-blowers whose accounts upended Russia’s standing in global sports over the last several years: Grigory Rodchenkov, the chemist who spent 10 years as Russia’s antidoping lab chief and was key to carrying out the cheating schemes in Sochi; and Vitaly Stepanov, a former employee of Russia’s antidoping agency who married a runner for Russia’s national team and was the first to speak publicly about the nation’s institutionalized cheating.

    “The world knows that hundreds of Olympic dreams have been stolen by the doping system in the country where I was born,” Mr. Stepanov wrote in an affidavit submitted to the International Olympic Committee this fall. He had suggested banning Russia’s Olympic Committee for two years, or until the nation’s antidoping operations are recertified by regulators. Russia and its individual athletes are all but certain to miss the 2018 Paralympics given regulators’ refusal to recertify the nation last month.

    “The evidence is clear, that the doping system in Russia has not yet been truly reformed,” Mr. Stepanov wrote.

    Tuesday’s decision may have major consequences for another major sports event, next year’s $11 billion soccer World Cup in Russia. The nation’s deputy prime minister, Vitaly Mutko, was Russia’s top sports official during the 2014 Sochi Games and was directly implicated by Dr. Rodchenkov.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/s...smtyp=cur&_r=0
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    "Thomas Bach, president of I.O.C., has said he was perturbed not only by Russia’s widespread cheating but by how it had been accomplished: by corrupting the Olympic laboratory that handled drug testing at the Games, and on orders from Russia’s own Olympic officials.
    He also was very disturbed over the fact that nobody approached him regarding possible corruption and bribes to his office. "Something must have gone wrong" he said, regarding the fact he was not offered anything prior or post Sochi"
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    Should be an interesting Olympics for figure skating fans.
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    Should be an interesting Olympics for figure skating fans.
    I'm still watching for the rest of the IOC Disciplinary Commission's reports. The Oswald commission has banned 25 athletes to date, and apparently 10 more athletes are awaiting decisions. These apparently include Russian pairs skaters Tatiana Volosozhar and Ksenia Stolbova.

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    If Medvedeva doesn't compete do you see an Asian woman, Japanese maybe, winning the gold? I just finished watching the Grand Prix events and the two women who most impressed me were Japanese.
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    Re: 2018 Winter Olympics Seoul 2/9 - 2/25

    I really hope the Russian officials don't make athletes sit this out in some screwed up show of nationalism by threatening funding or doing a PR campaign against it. My guess is most athletes would choose to compete in Olympic colors vs skipping it. Will be interesting to see how qualifications with be handled if so many people opt to compete that way (i.e. not having to get onto the national team) and how each sport handles it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ti-Amie View Post
    If Medvedeva doesn't compete do you see an Asian woman, Japanese maybe, winning the gold? I just finished watching the Grand Prix events and the two women who most impressed me were Japanese.
    Well, I'm still holding out hope for Kaetlyn Osmond, but assuming the Russians were to boycott the Olympics it would likely come down to Osmond and the two Japanese ladies, maybe also throw in Carolina Kostner. Ironically, Kostner has just returned from her own doping ban.

    Quote Originally Posted by mmmm8 View Post
    I really hope the Russian officials don't make athletes sit this out in some screwed up show of nationalism by threatening funding or doing a PR campaign against it. My guess is most athletes would choose to compete in Olympic colors vs skipping it. Will be interesting to see how qualifications with be handled if so many people opt to compete that way (i.e. not having to get onto the national team) and how each sport handles it.
    That seems to be what some people think might happen. Some have mentioned that Putin, and Russian sports officials may pressure the athletes behind the scenes to withdraw from the games so that the country doesn't have to boycott officially.

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    Go an compete. WTF, you are going to STOP being Russian?
    That has got to be the silliest thing. Yes, your athlete is going to be at the games but Russia is not going to celebrate their victories. Ridiculous.
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    Re: 2018 Winter Olympics Seoul 2/9 - 2/25

    The propaganda that this is some sort of international political ploy against Russia and the extend of the cheating has been severely exaggerated by the international authorities has been really successful, so a lot of people would support if the government called for a show of patriotism.


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    Re: 2018 Winter Olympics Seoul 2/9 - 2/25

    Quote Originally Posted by Ti-Amie View Post
    If Medvedeva doesn't compete do you see an Asian woman, Japanese maybe, winning the gold? I just finished watching the Grand Prix events and the two women who most impressed me were Japanese.
    Medvedeva has commented that she doesn't see the option of herself competing as a neutral athlete.


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    Bold move from the IOC, but they should have been bolder and banned the team outright. None of this compete under the Olympic name non sense.

    And Russia really has to get over itself. Not everything is a Western conspiracy against you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Moz View Post
    Bold move from the IOC, but they should have been bolder and banned the team outright. None of this compete under the Olympic name non sense.

    And Russia really has to get over itself. Not everything is a Western conspiracy against you.
    Coming from a country where everything is a USA conspiracy against us, you have no idea how well that works. So much easier to blame others for your own problems than face them.
    As in: all those raping Mexicans and all those foreign aliens taking away your jobs. Sounds familiar?
    (Sorry. Threadjacking...)
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    what country you from ponchi?
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    Venezuela. Deeply in debt with the entire world but specially with Russia and China, and all our problems are because of a USA blockade against us.
    Which has never happened.
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    Re: 2018 Winter Olympics Seoul 2/9 - 2/25

    Quote Originally Posted by the Moz View Post
    Bold move from the IOC, but they should have been bolder and banned the team outright. None of this compete under the Olympic name non sense.

    And Russia really has to get over itself. Not everything is a Western conspiracy against you.
    Why? How is that fair to clean athletes, who, presumably, overcame a culture of doping to compete cleanly? What would IOC gain from that?


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