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  1. #46

    Re: 2017 ATP WTF 11/12 - 11/19

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie02123 View Post
    I checked out the most likely path for the top contenders.

    Anderson: Verdasco-Thiem
    Del Potro: Souza-Zverev-Dimitrov
    Tsonga: Benneteau-Goffin-Cilic

    I imagine one of those 3 will get there, but PCB isn't as dead in the water as I thought.

    Pouille needs a RU, and it's not outrageous. He lucked out by getting Fed's spot, so he's in the weakest quarter and weakest half by a huge margin.
    Del Potro's path is now Haase then Dimitrov/Isner.

    Pouille has Sock, then Thiem/Verdasco, then Cilic/Goffin.

    Isner, Bautisa Agut, and Sock are still left as contenders if they win the whole shebang.

  2. #47

    Re: 2017 ATP WTF 11/12 - 11/19

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    #NittoATPFinals contender David Goffin falls to @JulienBenneteau and needs Pouille or Delpo to lose before #RolexPMasters final to qualify.

    Only scenario in which David Goffin does not qualify for #NittoATPFinals is if Pouille beats Delpo in Paris final (Pouille + Delpo qualify).
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  3. #48

    Re: 2017 ATP WTF 11/12 - 11/19

    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb




  4. #49

    Re: 2017 ATP WTF 11/12 - 11/19

    The ATP - losing our way to the Finals, sorry the WTF.

  5. #50

    Re: 2017 ATP WTF 11/12 - 11/19

    2 November 2017

    GOFFIN QUALIFIES FOR NITTO ATP FINALS

    LONDON – David Goffin has become the first Belgian singles player in the 48-year history of the Nitto ATP Finals to qualify for the prestigious season finale. He will join World No. 1 Rafael Nadal, six-time champion Roger Federer, debutants Alexander Zverev and Grigor Dimitrov, and former qualifiers Dominic Thiem and Marin Cilic in the elite eight-man field at The O2 in London from 12-19 November.

    Goffin is the seventh player to secure his place as a result of play at the Rolex Paris Masters on Thursday. He served as an alternate at 2016 Nitto ATP Finals, replacing the injured Gael Monfils in one round-robin match (l. to Djokovic).

    "I would have preferred to have qualified by winning my match and Lucas is a friend but I am still so happy to have qualified!" said Goffin. "It is every player's dream to make the (Nitto ATP) Finals and it is my first time there so I can't wait to get to London!"

    The 26-year-old Goffin has compiled the best season of his career, with his first 50+ match wins record and as the first Belgian to break into the Top 10 of the Emirates ATP Rankings at No. 10 on 20 February. He ended a six-match losing streak in finals with back-to-back ATP World Tour titles in October at the Shenzhen Open (d. Dolgopolov) and the Rakuten Japan Open Tennis Championships 2017 in Tokyo (d. Mannarino).

    He also finished as runner-up in consecutive finals in February at the Garanti Koza Sofia Open (l. to Dimitrov) and the ABN AMRO World Tennis Tournament in Rotterdam (l. to Tsonga). Goffin earned the biggest victory of his career over then No. 2-ranked Novak Djokovic in April at the Monte-Carlo Rolex Masters (l. to Nadal in SFs) and has compiled a 20-6 match record since 28 August.

    With less than one week left of the regular 2017 ATP World Tour season, Spain’s Pablo Carreno Busta currently holds the last remaining qualification berth, but could still be ousted by one of Juan Martin del Potro, Lucas Pouille, Roberto Bautista Agut, John Isner and Jack Sock subject to results in Paris this week.

    The eight-team doubles field is already set, featuring Lukasz Kubot/Marcelo Melo, defending champions Henri Kontinen/John Peers, 2015 titlists Jean-Julien Rojer/Horia Tecau, Jamie Murray/Bruno Soares, four-time former winners Bob Bryan/Mike Bryan, Pierre-Hugues Herbert/Nicolas Mahut, Ivan Dodig/Marcel Granollers and Ryan Harrison/Michael Venus.

    The Nitto ATP Finals welcomes more than 250,000 fans to The O2 arena each year, as well as generating a global TV viewership of more than 100 million, as the ATP’s best eight singles players and doubles teams of the season compete over eight days at the biggest indoor tennis tournament in the world.

    Emirates ATP Race to London – Top 22 (as of end of play Wednesday, 1 November 2017)


    Singles
    Pos. Name YTD Points
    1. R. Nadal (ESP) 10,555
    2. R. Federer (SUI) 9,005
    3. A. Zverev (GER) 4,400
    4. D. Thiem (AUT) 3,815
    5. M. Cilic (CRO) 3,715
    6. G. Dimitrov (BUL) 3,650
    7. S. Wawrinka (SUI) - season over due to injury 3,150
    8. D. Goffin (BEL) 2,975
    9. P. Carreno Busta (ESP) 2,615
    10. N. Djokovic (SRB) - season over due to injury 2,585
    11. S. Querrey (USA) 2,535
    12. J. del Potro (ARG) 2,505
    13. K. Anderson (RSA) 2,480
    14. J. Tsonga (FRA) 2,320
    15. A. Murray (GBR) - season over due to injury 2,290
    16. L. Pouille (FRA) 2,235
    17. T. Berdych (CZE) 2,050
    18. R. Bautista Agut (ESP) 2,015
    19. N. Kyrgios (AUS) - season over due to injury 2,010
    20. J. Isner (USA) 1,995
    21. K. Nishikori (JPN) - season over due to injury 1,885
    22. J. Sock (USA) 1,855

    # # #
    About the Nitto ATP Finals

    The Nitto ATP Finals is the year-end climax to the men's professional tennis season, featuring only the world's best eight qualified singles players and doubles teams as they battle it out for the last title of the season. Players compete for Emirates ATP Rankings points throughout the season in a bid to earn one of the eight coveted berths and a chance to win the biggest indoor tennis tournament in the world. Played using a round-robin format, each player plays three matches as they compete for a berth in the knockout semi-finals and beyond. The prestigious tournament has been contested in major cities around the world with a rich history dating back to the birth of The Masters in 1970 in Tokyo. Since 2000 the event has taken place in cities such as Lisbon, Sydney, and Shanghai. In 2009 the tournament was moved to London, where it will be played through 2020. For more information, please visit www.NittoATPFinals.com.

  6. #51

    Re: 2017 ATP WTF 11/12 - 11/19

    Looks to me that Goffin is in a situation similar to the situation that Del Potro faced a couple of years ago: first time that he qualifies for the WTF happening just before a Davis Cup final. I would not be surprised is the results are similar, in that Goffin doesn't make it to the WTF final, but becomes sufficiently tired to not win the Davis Cup final either.

    If I were in his shoes, I would probably do the same, but it still leaves some tough choices. I think that the Belgian Davis Cup team would be better off if he skipped the WTF. It does leave two questions: 1) How many more times do you think Goffin will make the WFT, and 2) How many more times do you think Belgium will make the Davis Cup final.
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  7. #52

    Re: 2017 ATP WTF 11/12 - 11/19

    Goffin should be 3 and done at the WTF but given the form of the ATP top 10, other than Federer and Nadal, anything is possible.

  8. #53

    Re: 2017 ATP WTF 11/12 - 11/19

    Quote Originally Posted by skatingfan View Post
    Goffin should be 3 and done at the WTF but given the form of the ATP top 10, other than Federer and Nadal, anything is possible.
    His chances are better than you might think.

    You can basically throw away his match against Fed/Nadal.

    He'll have solid odds for his Thiem/Zverev match. Goffin has a winning record against Thiem, especially on hard. 0-1 against Zverev, but Zverev hasn't been able to beat a rug lately.

    The Cilic/Dimitrov match isn't bad either. He's 3-2 against Cilic. 1-3 against Dimitrov, but he won their most recent match, which was this year on a hard court.

  9. #54

    Re: 2017 ATP WTF 11/12 - 11/19

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie02123 View Post
    His chances are better than you might think.

    You can basically throw away his match against Fed/Nadal.

    He'll have solid odds for his Thiem/Zverev match. Goffin has a winning record against Thiem, especially on hard. 0-1 against Zverev, but Zverev hasn't been able to beat a rug lately.

    The Cilic/Dimitrov match isn't bad either. He's 3-2 against Cilic. 1-3 against Dimitrov, but he won their most recent match, which was this year on a hard court.
    Is it possible for Federer & Nadal to go 3-0 and everyone else to go 0-3?

  10. #55

    Re: 2017 ATP WTF 11/12 - 11/19

    Quote Originally Posted by skatingfan View Post
    Is it possible for Federer & Nadal to go 3-0 and everyone else to go 0-3?
    No. Since there are six matches in each round robin group, there will have to be six wins. So if Federer and Nadal each go 3-0, the two possible sets of scores within each round robin group are A) 3-0, 2-1, 1-2, 0-3, and B) 3-0, 1-2 ,1-2, 1-2.
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  11. #56

    Re: 2017 ATP WTF 11/12 - 11/19

    Quote Originally Posted by skatingfan View Post
    Is it possible for Federer & Nadal to go 3-0 and everyone else to go 0-3?
    Maybe they'll just swap out the other six for some of the HASTAG NEXT GEN SUPER STAR HAPPY BABY ULTRA DUDES.

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    Re: 2017 ATP WTF 11/12 - 11/19

    Quote Originally Posted by dave g View Post
    If I were in his shoes, I would probably do the same, but it still leaves some tough choices. I think that the Belgian Davis Cup team would be better off if he skipped the WTF. It does leave two questions: 1) How many more times do you think Goffin will make the WFT, and 2) How many more times do you think Belgium will make the Davis Cup final.
    Do the Belgian players get a big bonus if they win DC? Cuz WTF gives you almost $200k just for showing up. That's not nothing for Goffin.
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  13. #58

    Re: 2017 ATP WTF 11/12 - 11/19

    Quote Originally Posted by dave g View Post
    No. Since there are six matches in each round robin group, there will have to be six wins. So if Federer and Nadal each go 3-0, the two possible sets of scores within each round robin group are A) 3-0, 2-1, 1-2, 0-3, and B) 3-0, 1-2 ,1-2, 1-2.
    Sorry dave that was sarcasm. I should have used an emoji to make it obvious.

  14. #59

    Re: 2017 ATP WTF 11/12 - 11/19

    I must admit I was surprised you had asked that.
    From another emoji-challenged TATers, I get you.
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  15. #60

    Re: 2017 ATP WTF 11/12 - 11/19

    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    I must admit I was surprised you had asked that.
    From another emoji-challenged TATers, I get you.
    Charlie got it - so I guess totally miss the mark.

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