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  1. #4591

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    I came away from this with a lot of respect for Tillerson.
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa





  2. #4592

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    I don't. If he were a real patriot he would talk about this and make sure the country knows what kind of psychopath you have in charge.
    This idea that all this people are helping America by trying to reign this man is flawed. If you really wanted to help America, and noboby can accuse people like Tillerson or Mattis of being liberals, then you should come out and tell all these stories so at least some people will see how dangerous the situation is. Analogy: this is the same as "protecting your family" by not telling them a member is an alcoholic. It never works and at the end more people get hurt.
    And don't believe Tiny is not a Russian asset. Even if he does not do it under direct orders, his actions are directly beneficial to Vlad. Which is the definition of an asset.
    Mattis, especially, comes across (to me) as a weakling. You are a decorated general and you let a draft-dodger speak to you that way? And when somebody simply says of having people line up to applaud you as you leave, you fold of what this whinny little B will feel like? Sorry, one thing about being brave is that you do not look up for confrontation, but if confrontation is unavoidable, you take it up. Otherwise, how are you prepared to defend your country?
    Respect is something that I just can't grant to enablers. These are the kind of things that Mattis and Bannon and Tillerson should go on FOX and talk about. Because if it comes out on a book, FOX can dismiss it as another liberal hack writing crap. If Mattis goes on TV, they just can't do that. The man was there.
    Will anybody in America take one for the country?
    Last edited by ponchi101; 01-18-2020 at 06:05 AM.
    Missing winter...

  3. #4593

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    Remember the man Tiny described as a "coffee boy"?

    “SMALL FISH:” GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS’ 302S

    by emptywheel

    The government released another bunch of 302s in response to BuzzFeed’s FOIA last night. They include a bunch (but not all, and not the most important) of the reports from George Papadopoulos. This post will lay out what they show.

    As background, however, remember what FBI knew about some of his interactions with Joseph Mifsud before interviewing Papadopoulos.

    First, there was the tip FBI received from Australia on July 27, 2016, after the release of the WikiLeaks emails made it seem like Papadopoulos had had advance knowledge they would be released. As laid out in the DOJ IG Report, after telling Alexander Downer and Erica Thompson that,

    he felt confident Mr. Trump would win the election, and … the Clintons had a lot of baggage and that the Trump team had plenty of material to use in its campaign.

    Papadopoulos then, suggested the Trump team had received some kind of suggestion from Russia that it could assist this process with the anonymous release of information during the campaign that would be damaging to Mrs. Clinton (and President Obama). It was unclear whether he or the Russians were referring to material acquired publicly of [sic] through other means. It was also unclear how Mr. Trump’s team reacted to the offer. We note the Trump team’s reaction could, in the end, have little bearing of what Russia decides to do, with or without Mr. Trump’s cooperation.

    In at least one (late October 2016) interview with the informant identified as “Source 3” in the IG Report, Papadopoulos had laid out the outlines of his conversations with Mifsud in direct connection with the possibility he might meet Putin.

    In the second consensually monitored conversation, at the end of October 2016, Papadopoulos told Source 3 that Papadopoulos had been “on the front page of Russia’s biggest newspaper” for an interview he had given 2 to 3 weeks earlier. Papadopoulos said that he was asked “[w]hat’s Mr. Trump going to do about Russia if he wins, what are your thoughts on ISIS, what are your thoughts on this?” and stated that he did not “understand why the U.S. has such a problem with Russia.” Papadopoulos also said that he thinks Putin “exudes power, confidence.” When Source 3 asked Papadopoulos if he had ever met Putin, Papadopoulos said that he was invited “to go and thank God I didn’t go though.” Papadopoulos said that it was a “weird story” from when he “was working at … this law firm in London” that involved a guy who was “well connected to the Russian government.” Papadopoulos also said that he was introduced to “Putin’s niece” and the Russian Ambassador in London. 472 Papadopoulos did not elaborate on the story, but he added that he needed to figure out

    how I’m going monetize it, but I have to be an idiot not to monetize it, get it? Even if [Trump] loses. If anything, I feel like if he loses probably could be better for my personal business because if he wins I’m going to be in some bureaucracy I can’t do jack … , you know?

    That said, with both Stefan Halper and this source, Papadopoulos had denied that the campaign had any foreknowledge of the WikiLeaks releases, likening optimizing them (in the way that Roger Stone did) to treason. Papadopoulos had told Source 3 that he gave that story to Halper, in part, because he thought Halper might tell CIA what he had said, so he was already crafting a story to tell authorities.

    The FBI also knew Papadopoulos was spending a lot of time with Sergei Millian, whom they also had under a counterintelligence investigation.

    January 27, 2017

    The government didn’t release the substantive 302 from Papadopoulos’ first interview, there’s just the 302 recounting what happened on the way to the FBI and that Papadopoulos sent the FBI agent two emails after the interview. There are 12 pages withheld for a referral right before that 302 — which makes me wonder whether they’ve referred Papadopoulos’ original 302 to John Durham (which would be really corrupt, because there’s nothing classified in there, and hiding would make it harder to assess the legitimacy of the Durham investigation). The 302 that got released does make it clear the FBI told Papadopoulos, “the nature of the interview was to discuss a contact of his, who currently resides in New York,” meaning Millian, who had just been reported as a source for Christopher Steele. That is consistent with what Papadopoulos has said about the interview; he has complained he accepted the interview thinking it would only be about Millian.

    Excerpts of this interview described in the government’s sentencing memo make it clear that Papadopoulos only raised Mifsud after pressed by Agents.

    the defendant identified the Professor only after being prompted by a series of specific questions about when the defendant first learned about Russia’s disclosure of information related to the campaign and whether the defendant had ever “received any information or anything like that from a [] Russian government official.” In response, while denying he received any information from a Russian government official, the defendant identified the Professor by name – while also falsely claiming he interacted with the Professor “before I was with Trump though.” Over the next several minutes in the interview, the defendant repeatedly and falsely claimed that his interactions with the Professor occurred before he was working for the Trump campaign, and he did not mention his discussion with the Professor about the Russians possessing “dirt” on Clinton. That fact only came up after additional specific questioning from the agents. The agents asked the defendant: “going back to the WikiLeaks and maybe the Russian hacking and all that, were you ever made aware that the Russians had intent to disclose information [] ahead of time? So before it became public? Did anyone ever tell you that the Russian government plans to release some information[,] like tell the Trump team ahead of time[,] that that was going to happen?” The defendant responded, “No.” The agents then skeptically asked, “No?” The defendant responded: “No, not on, no not the Trump [campaign], but I will tell you something and – and this is . . . actually very good that we’re, that you just brought this up because I wasn’t working with Trump at the time[.] I was working in London . . . with that guy [the Professor].” Only then, after acknowledging that the agents had “brought this up” and lying about when he received the information, did the defendant admit that the Professor had told him “the Russians had emails of Clinton.”

    February 1, 2017

    On February 1, the FBI Agent called Papadopoulos directly to set up a meeting at George’s Ice Cream & Sweets shop for another interview (the call was recorded in a 302).

    The substantive 302 makes it clear that, in the previous one, Papadopoulos had agreed to help the FBI, because he “stated that he wished to hear more about how he could potentially help the FBI.” The Agent explained that he wanted Papadopoulos’ cooperation “specifically in an attempt to obtain further information about his London-based contact, JOSEPH MIFSUD.” Papadopoulos revealed what he had learned from Googling Mifsud subsequent to his first interview. He revealed that Mifsud was “an associate of a Russian discussion club of some sort” — a reference to the Valdai Discussion Club, which Mifsud had attended between the time he first met Papadopoulos and started cultivating him in London.

    It’s clear that Papadopoulos had provided more information about Olga Polonskaya (possibly her email), because the Agent asked about her, and Papadopoulos explained he was first introduced as one of Mifsud’s students (which was true), but then Nagi Idris told him she was Putin’s niece.

    The Agent also asked Papadopoulos whether he had ever met the Russian Ambassador, which he had told Source 3 he had the previous October. Papadopoulos said he had not met any Russian government officials, the meeting with the Ambassador never happened.

    The Agent asked Papadopoulos (who, remember, said he learned about the emails before he joined the campaign) if he had told the campaign about the emails. He responded by saying he had raised Mifsud’s name, though appears to have dodged whether he raised the emails.

    Papadopoulos told the FBI that Mifsud had recently reached out and would be in DC in February, and also offered to go meet with him in the UK.

    Papadopoulos was asked about Millian; his responses appear defensive, affirmatively raising both whether Millian knew about the emails and his role in the dossier.

    The Agent then told Papadopoulos he may have been recruited and asked if there was anyone else who might be doing so.

    The Agent then asked Papadopoulos if he still wanted the FBI to analyze his phone for malware; Papadopoulos said he had replaced it, but would still like to have the FBI analyze his old phone (nothing in the record suggests that happened).

    Papadopoulos said he wanted to speak to an attorney before committing to help the FBI, said he did not yet have one, but would be getting one the following day.

    Note: From this interview, I can understand why Republicans think Papadopoulos got a bad deal, because he clearly kept saying he wanted to cooperate.

    February 2, 2017

    As he said he would do, the Agent tried to call Papadopoulos the next day, only to find his voicemail box was full. Instead, he texted Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos said he had discussed the matter with a lawyer and had been advised not to engage any longer.

    I truly feel proud that was able to do my part to assist with everything I know but as you saw yesterday there was nothing else to add and we had a nice coffee but nothing of substance.

    [snip]

    You guys are professionals and am sure you can deal with that person if he truly is a threat. Can’t help anymore than I have. If there is something directly related to me then that’s another matter.

    The Agent said he had one more thing to clear up, asked to talk to Papadopoulos, they agreed to meet at 6:30 PM, then Papadopoulos called back and said he had spoken with an attorney who told him not to go, but offered to meet Monday in the Chicago Field Office.

    In spite of repeated questioning, Papadopoulos did not offer up the name of the attorney he had consulted (nor did they meet the following Monday, which would have been February 6). That’s significant, because in his Congressional testimony, Papadopoulos revealed that he had called Marc Kasowitz — at a time when he was representing Trump — and asked him if he wanted to represent him (meaning, this happened before he had an attorney).

    Q And you didn’t talk to anyone from the Trump organization about that interview with the FBI?

    A I don’t think I did, no. Q So you were interviewed again by the FBI — A I can’t remember if I reached out to Marc Kasowitz about either that or my subpoena from the Senate. And I emailed him and I said, Look, would you be interested in representing me? I think that’s what happened. But I don’t — I can’t remember exactly why I emailed him, but I think I emailed Marc Kasowitz’ firm sometimes after the interview, but I don’t remember if he ever responded or anything like that.

    [snip]

    Q Right, right, right. So when you sent this email, would it have been after the first FBI interview, but before the second one, or –

    A I think it would be after I was done with my initial contacts with the FBI.

    It’s certainly possible that Papadopoulos just consulted a friend who was an attorney (who wisely told him to stop meeting with the FBI without representation). But it is possible that the President’s then-defense attorney told him to stop meeting with the FBI.

    February 10, 2017 [sic]

    The date of interview recorded on the second 302 is February 10, 2017. But both Papadopoulos’ arrest affidavit and his statement of offense say the interview happened on February 16. That’s actually a fairly significant discrepancy because, per the Mueller Report, the FBI interviewed Mifsud on February 10, and one argument they made to substantiate that his lies were material were that those lies prevented them from pinning down Mifsud on his lies. It appears the February 10 date is correct, but that FBI got confused with a call on February 16, as noted below.

    In any case, this is Papadopoulos’ first interview represented by counsel. The government has said that Papadopoulos repeated the same lies he told on January 27, and it’s clear he did. He said Mifsud wanted to impress him because he “had recently come off his advisory position for the BEN CARSON campaign.” Papadopoulos misrepresented how he got hired by Sam Clovis, suggesting there was a time between when they spoke and his hiring, when it happened on the same call; in the interview Papadopoulos said happened in person in London, though it happened by phone. Papadopoulos describes the emails coming up during a discussion about Hillary’s campaign, not Trump’s. He left out that Mifsud said the Russians planned to anonymous leak the emails. Papadopoulos twice falsely said he hadn’t told any foreign government officials that Russia planned to disclose information (in addition to Australia, he told a Greek official).

    This 302 seems to reflect the FBI Agents cueing Papadopoulos to tell them about telling someone at a nightclub about emails, which he said he had not; it makes me wonder if he said that to Source 3 in one of their interviews after the election (which, if so, would make the IG Report’s silence on the topic really suspect), or whether — as many people suspect — he said that to Erica Thompson at a dinner party, then repeated it again to her and Downer when they had drinks.

    February 16

    On February 16, the Assistant General Counsel for FBI’s Cyber Law Branch called and set up a phone interview to try to clarify the timing of the conversation with Mifsud, explaining that resolving some inconsistencies in his story was time sensitive. The 302 is heavily redacted, but it’s clear that Papadopoulos refused to be pinned down on timing — it even seems like FBI had figured out that it had occurred at his breakfast meeting with Mifsud, but Papadopoulos couldn’t recall whether it had happened then.

    Papadopoulos then dug in on a story that tried to claim these emails couldn’t be the ones stolen from the DNC, first reiterating that “he did not believe MIFSUD’s claims that the Russians had HILLARY CLINTON’s e-mails” (a claim utterly inconsistent with having told others about it), and then suggesting that the emails might be Hillary’s deleted emails. This passage — and its heavy redaction — is particularly interesting, because it appears to be the first time Papadopoulos told this story, and it’s the story he has since settled on, but it appears that he only told it after the FBI asked him about the comments three times.

    This interview appears to be the first time the FBI asked Papadopoulos not to speak to the media, which he agreed to do.

    July 27

    The next interview report documents his arrest at Dulles on July 27, 2017. While this was not an interview — indeed, arresting agents had to tell Papadopoulos several times to shut up because he didn’t have his attorney present — Papadopoulos did offer up some lame excuses that seems to indicate he knew he hadn’t told the full truth:

    [H]e was only able to provide the information that he remembered, PAPADOPOULOS then stated that if he had forgotten something, that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s lying.

    [snip]

    [Papadopoulos] then added that he was only twenty-eight yeears old when he was thrust into the national spotlight with all this.

    [snip]

    PAPADOPOULOS stated that he didn’t understand why he was in the current situation that he was, when both FLYNN and MANAFORT are not.

    [snip]

    At one point while PAPADOPOULOS was waiting in the booking room he expressed concern with the fact that he was just a small fish and yet he was going to look like the fall guy for this investigation.

    Papadopoulos appears to have asked to call a second attorney, in addition to his own, who by the length of last name could be Jay Sekulow, which would be consistent with him having reached out to Kasowitz earlier in this process.

    Papadopoulos also repeatedly said he had told the whole story in a statement to the Senate Intelligence Committee, which is interesting given that this would have taken place when Jared Kushner and Michael Cohen were writing statements for Committee testimony as a way to script and coordinate stories.

    July 28, 2017

    The day after he was arrested, Papadopoulos needed help getting home because he had had his passports confiscated and had not replaced his driver’s license after he had recently lost his wallet, so the agents drove him to the airport and made sure he could get on a plane.

    Agents then provided PAPADOPOULOS with his attorney’s telephone number and a granola bar for his travel back to Chicago.

    August 10, 2017

    In his first interview after being charged, Papadopoulos told a very clear story of the chronology of working for Carson, then interviewing with Clovis and being hired that same call, then traveling to Rome where he met Mifsud, all details he had claimed to not remember previously. He explained how Olga offered to connect him with people in Russia. He described both Trump and Jeff Sessions responding to his offer to try to set up a meeting with Putin enthusiastically. He described Mifsud introducing him to Ivan Timofeev, something he had not disclosed previously (but which would have been apparent once FBI accessed his Facebook account). Papadopoulos still claimed, at this point, not to have told anyone about the Russians having dirt on Hillary.

    August 11, 2017

    Though heavily redacted, this 302 appears to parallel the August 10 one, getting the timeline of meeting Mifsud correct, describing Trump and Sessions’ enthusiasm for a Putin meeting,

    It describes Papadopoulos remembering, then backing off a memory of discussing the emails with Clovis.

    PAPADOPOULOS stated to the best of his recollection he remembered CLOVIS being upset after PAPADOPOULOS said, “Sam, I think they have her emails.” PAPADOPOULOS then reiterated he was not certain if that event actually happened or if he was wrongfully remembering an event which did not occur.

    September 19, 2017

    This interview, his most substantive, is almost entirely redacted. From what’s unredacted, it’s clear Papadopoulos was withholding information until shown the evidence of something via communication records. For example, he admitted to an April 12 meeting that did not appear elsewhere. He was prodded to describe a Skype conversation with Timofeev. Papadopoulos needed to be “specifically asked,” before he admitted he told the Greek Foreign Minister about Russia having dirt on Hillary Clinton, too.

    This interview included questions about the Transatlantic Group that he attended with Walid Phares and Sam Clovis, during which Papadopoulos discussed a September 2016 meeting with Putin’s office in London. Papadopoulos refused to walk the FBI through his notes on this planned meeting.

    PAPADOPOULOS then stated he could not read his own handwriting and, therefore he could not assist the interviewers with further identifying what his notes referenced.

    September 20, 2017

    Papadopoulos had one more interview during the pre-plea period, which was memorialized in a 4-page 302. But that was not included in yesterday’s dump. That interview covered:

    How the campaign supported his efforts to set up a meeting with Putin.
    Details about how he used his journal.
    What he told others on the campaign about the Hillary dirt, possibly including the Sam Clovis reference.
    What an email Sergei Millian sent him on August 23, 2016, offering a disruptive technology that might help his political work, meant.
    October 5, 31, 2017

    Papadopolous pled guilty on October 5, 2017. A 302 describes how Papadopoulos got the card of the FBI agent to talk to him about a problem he had had with his email account. The next day Papadopoulos explained what the problem was, and the agent told him to change his password and make sure forwarding was not on.

    On October 28, the agent asked Papadopoulos whether the media or anyone from the Trump campaign had tried to contact him. Papadopoulos said neither had, and agreed to let the FBI know if that happened. After news of his plea broke on October 31, the FBI agent contacted Papadopoulos again, to find out whether he made any contact. Papadopoulos said he didn’t think the media has his phone number.

    November 7, 2017

    The agent called Papadopoulos to ask about media reports on people in the campaign that conflicted with his own testimony. Papadopoulos explained he had seenreports that Sessions had shut down his efforts to arrange a Trump Putin meeting. Papadopoulos said he “would stick to his original story,” (which is what he did earlier than year on telling anyone about emails). Papadopoulos said he wouldn’t have continued his efforts if Sessions hadn’t approved.

    Papadopoulos disputed Bannon’s claims never to have met with Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos “remembered specifically coordinating with BANNON when he was arranging the meeting between TRUMP and the Egyptian president.” (Bannon would distance himself from Papadopoulos in his second interview with the FBI, saying that Mike Flynn handled all this.)

    Papadopoulos responded to reading the first five pages of Carter Page’s HPSCI transcript by describing a call, possibly in late March, where Page told Papadopoulos to “stop showing off,” possibly because Papadopoulos was trying to broker a Russia meeting.

    December 2017

    Per the sentencing memorandum, the government reached out to set up a meeting in late December, but after learning that Papadopoulos had cooperated in a NYT interview, canceled the interview.

    the government arranged to meet again with the defendant to ask further questions in late December 2017. However, upon learning that the defendant had participated in a media interview with a national publication concerning his case, the government canceled that meeting.

    There may or may not be a 302 pertaining to this.

    https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/01/1...dopoulos-302s/
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa





  4. #4594

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    Trump privately told donors new details about Soleimani airstrike at Mar-a-Lago fundraiser

    By
    Colby Itkowitz and
    David A. Fahrenthold
    Jan. 18, 2020 at 11:51 a.m. EST

    ...Trump delivered a dramatic account of the airstrike that killed Iranian Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani, joked that he doesn’t care if construction projects kill all the rattlesnakes and noted his indifference to the budget during a private dinner with deep-pocketed donors Friday night at Mar-a-Lago, according to audio files obtained by The Washington Post.

    Trump, his tone subdued and conversational, explained his motivation for attacking Soleimani and recounted listening to an anonymous military official countdown to the Jan. 3 strike.

    The president said nothing about an “imminent attack” on U.S. interests or threats to four U.S. embassies as he previously has to justify the unilateral military strike that escalated tensions in the region and opened debate on presidential war powers.

    Instead, he spoke broadly about Soleimani as “the father of the road side bomb” responsible for “every young, beautiful man or woman who you see walking around with no legs, no arms.” Trump said he heard about two weeks ago that the United States had Soleimani under surveillance and he was “talking about bad stuff.”


    “He was saying bad things about our country, like we’re going to attack, we’re going to kill your people. I said, ‘listen, how much of this shit do we have to listen to, right?’” Trump said to applause from the donor crowd.

    Trump went on to describe those final minutes before the strike, watching and listening from the Situation Room.

    “ ‘Sir, they have two minutes and 11 seconds.’ No emotion. ‘two minutes and 11 seconds to live, sir. They’re in the car, they’re in an armored vehicle. Sir, they have approximately one minute to live, sir. 30 seconds. 10, 9, 8 ...’ Then all of a sudden, boom.”

    The official on the line told the president Soleimani and the Iraqi military leader he was meeting with were “gone” and then hung up, according to Trump.

    “I said, ‘Where is this guy?’ ” Trump said. “That was the last I heard from him.”

    While the dramatic description of Trump’s experience watching the strike is new, Trump has spoken at rallies and on Twitter about the Soleimani attack as he hones his reelection talking points on his capability as commander in chief.

    In a separate audio clip, Trump is heard boasting about increasing the defense budget by $2.5 trillion — a massive sum he may have gotten to by adding several years’ budgets; the Pentagon budget for fiscal 2020 is $738 billion. To those who criticized his spending and the growing national debt, Trump said, “Who the hell cares about the budget? We’re going to have a country.”

    For most of Barack Obama’s time in office, Republicans seemed to care very much about the budget, making fears around the national debt and deficit their top talking point. They’ve backed off those concerns under Trump.


    The audio files, obtained by The Post, came in four short segments, and each cuts off midsentence or midpoint. CNN, which also obtained the files, first reported on Trump’s fundraiser remarks.

    In the 40-second clip about the military budget, Trump said, “It’s been an incredible period of time and that’s despite the witch hunt. . .” before the audio cuts out.

    In another short file, Trump laments the complicated process to build infrastructure, mocking environmental concerns, specifically mentioning turtle and rattlesnake nesting.

    “As far as I’m concerned, you can kill those rattlesnakes. I’ll give you a little secret. As many as we kill, they’ll be here long after us. The rattlesnake. You can kill every son of a bitchin’ rattlesnake,” he said.

    Then Trump segues to, “I’m not a big person who believes in sharks too much…,” before the audio file ends.

    Trump is famously terrified of sharks. He has tweeted about his disdain for them and Stormy Daniels, who allegedly had an affair with Trump, said he was obsessed with sharks and once told her, “I hope all the sharks die.”


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...f6d_story.html
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa





  5. #4595

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    Do you really think that if Tiny was in the situation room the picture wouldn't have been blasted all over by now? He can't recreate the drama of this picture so he talks about it or tries to recreate it with disastrous (hilarious) results. Remember the pic with all the laptops and not one was plugged in?


    via Time Magazine
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa





  6. #4596

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    Quote Originally Posted by Ti-Amie View Post
    Do you really think that if Tiny was in the situation room the picture wouldn't have been blasted all over by now? He can't recreate the drama of this picture so he talks about it.


    via Time Magazine
    Trump was at Mar-a-Lago at the time of the strike, so it's kind of amazing that they kept the photos of him sitting in the dining room talking about military strikes while being surrounded by members & their guests from getting out.

  7. #4597

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    The ramblings of a lunatic. This is Martin Sheen in THE DEAD ZONE. "The missiles are on the way. Hallelujah!"
    Missing winter...

  8. #4598

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    GOP Candidate Hyde Says He Operated Facebook Pages Defending Himself
    Some pages were purporting to be run by groups of Trump supporters in different states

    By Rebecca Ballhaus and Emily Glazer
    Updated Jan. 19, 2020 2:25 pm ET

    Robert Hyde, a GOP congressional candidate who has become embroiled in the impeachment investigation, on Saturday said he had been operating Facebook pages displaying posts in his defense while purporting to be run by groups of Trump supporters in different states.

    After The Wall Street Journal reported on the pages’ apparent connection to Mr. Hyde, Facebook Inc. late Friday took them down. A Facebook spokeswoman said when the company finds networks of pages misleading people by concealing who is behind them, it requires owners to show additional information.

    On Sunday, at least five of the pages—purporting to be from Trump supporters in states including Georgia, Rhode Island and Alabama—remained on Facebook, nearly all of which had reposted a video of Mr. Hyde defending himself earlier this week.

    One of the pages, Virginia Supporters for President Donald J Trump, featured a new post from Saturday that read: “I have worked really hard on this page.. I hope it remains. If not thank you all for your support of the Republican Party and President TRUMP 2020. Much love to you all. This is a just in case it seems Facebook is removing pages that support things they don’t.”

    Facebook removed those pages after the Journal alerted the company Sunday. It said it would continue to review pages and take action on any that violate its ownership transparency policy.

    Mr. Hyde didn’t respond Sunday to a request for comment. But he had tweeted a public response to Facebook’s actions on Saturday.

    “WTF Facebook?! Please make this right and return our pages. I and other editors put a lot of time and money into these pages. You didn’t give us a deadline for the disclaimer and you said it was only necessary for and if we wanted to boost,” Mr. Hyde tweeted on Saturday, and linked to the Journal’s article. Boosting is when a Facebook user pays to reach new audiences.

    “We haven’t boosted in two years. No warning, nothing,” Mr. Hyde continued. “Do you all work for Adam Schiff? #facebook #stoleourpages #theft”

    Mr. Schiff is the Democratic chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

    Last year, when BuzzFeed News reported that at least 23 of the pro-Trump pages linked to Mr. Hyde spread a meme about Mr. Schiff that said “Lock up Adam Schiff for treason,” Mr. Hyde told BuzzFeed he didn’t run the pages. His tweets Saturday marked his first public comments confirming he operated them.

    Mr. Hyde, a landscaper in Connecticut, is one of several candidates vying to be the Republican nominee to run against incumbent Democratic Rep. Jahana Hayes. The Connecticut GOP chairman has called for Mr. Hyde to end his campaign.

    After House Democrats released text messages this week between Mr. Hyde and Lev Parnas, an associate of Rudy Giuliani, that suggested Mr. Hyde was monitoring the movements of the then-U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, the Facebook pages began sharing posts from Mr. Hyde’s campaign page in which he defended his actions, an analysis by the social-media intelligence company Storyful showed. Storyful is owned by News Corp, parent of Wall Street Journal publisher Dow Jones.

    Facebook’s move was one of its most high-profile attempts to combat inauthentic behavior by domestic actors on its platform, which is a violation of its policies.

    Facebook says it has worked with government partners, tech platforms and others in efforts to make it more difficult for bad actors to use fake accounts to manipulate the flow of information. The company said it has stopped 50 of those such networks over the past year. It has also built out transparency tools to enable researchers and the public to report suspicious activity.

    In November it introduced a new policy to require more accountability for pages, including boosting transparency and investing more in technology and people. If Facebook finds a page is misleading people about its purpose by concealing ownership, it will require an additional business verification process. For the page to remain up, Facebook says it also requires more information on the page about who is behind it, including the organization’s legal name and verified city, phone number or website. It allows time to respond to provide the information but if people fail to comply, the pages will be removed.

    Facebook says its enforcement of this policy will adapt over time, similar to other policies, so it can enable great transparency.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-can...lf-11579385636
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa





  9. #4599

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    Quote Originally Posted by Ti-Amie View Post
    GOP Candidate Hyde Says He Operated Facebook Pages Defending Himself
    Some pages were purporting to be run by groups of Trump supporters in different states

    Facebook removed those pages after the Journal alerted the company Sunday. It said it would continue to review pages and take action on any that violate its ownership transparency policy.

    Last year, when BuzzFeed News reported that at least 23 of the pro-Trump pages linked to Mr. Hyde spread a meme about Mr. Schiff that said “Lock up Adam Schiff for treason,” Mr. Hyde told BuzzFeed he didn’t run the pages. His tweets Saturday marked his first public comments confirming he operated them.

    After House Democrats released text messages this week between Mr. Hyde and Lev Parnas, an associate of Rudy Giuliani, that suggested Mr. Hyde was monitoring the movements of the then-U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, the Facebook pages began sharing posts from Mr. Hyde’s campaign page in which he defended his actions, an analysis by the social-media intelligence company Storyful showed. Storyful is owned by News Corp, parent of Wall Street Journal publisher Dow Jones.
    [/B]
    Facebook’s move was one of its most high-profile attempts to combat inauthentic behavior by domestic actors on its platform, which is a violation of its policies.

    Facebook says it has worked with government partners, tech platforms and others in efforts to make it more difficult for bad actors to use fake accounts to manipulate the flow of information. The company said it has stopped 50 of those such networks over the past year. It has also built out transparency tools to enable researchers and the public to report suspicious activity.

    In November it introduced a new policy to require more accountability for pages, including boosting transparency and investing more in technology and people. If Facebook finds a page is misleading people about its purpose by concealing ownership, it will require an additional business verification process. For the page to remain up, Facebook says it also requires more information on the page about who is behind it, including the organization’s legal name and verified city, phone number or website. It allows time to respond to provide the information but if people fail to comply, the pages will be removed.

    Facebook says its enforcement of this policy will adapt over time, similar to other policies, so it can enable great transparency.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-can...lf-11579385636
    As if they cared. Facebook's great transparency will happen about the same time pigs fly.
    "And for my next fearless prediction..."

  10. #4600

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    "It's a great people repellent."
    ~ Larry David, #CurbYourEnthusiasm



  11. #4601

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    Re the March of the Incels taking place in the captial of the old Confederacy Richmond, Virginia:

    Franklin Leonard @franklinleonard
    Someone described the Virginia marchers as “y’all Qaeda” and I am wheezing.

    Dollar Store Daesh is officially also a front runner.
    Still Salty
    @mlmatyac

    Replying to @franklinleonard and @YNB
    Please keep in mind, many of the protestors come from states other than VA and that VA voted for a gun sense majority in the last election. Making fun of our southern roots isn’t fair.

    I’m going with Vanilla ISIS.
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

    ― Frank Zappa





  12. #4602

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    While that is true about out-of-towners Salty Sally, there is still plenty of reason to make fun of Virginia's southern roots. Might want to start with taking down those offensive Jefferson Davis and Robert E Lee statues in Richmond if you want to get people to think Virginia is moving on from its past. My goodness does Virginia try to play both sides, no state celebrates the Confederacy more.
    Last edited by JazzNU; Yesterday at 02:38 PM.

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