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  1. #4246

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    Adam Klasfeld
    @KlasfeldReports
    Replying to
    @KlasfeldReports

    @TheJusticeDept
    and
    @CourthouseNews
    "This Court cannot endorse such a categorical and
    limitless assertion of presidential immunity from judicial
    process as being countenanced by the nation's constitutional plan"

    Read Judge Marrero's full, scathing, 75-page opinion here.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ro-ruling.html
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.

    ― Frank Zappa





  2. #4247

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    Jesse Ferguson
    @JesseFFerguson

    THREE YEARS AGO TODAY

    AT 4:03pm
    - Access Hollywood video came out

    AT 4:32PM
    - Trump's Russian allies started releasing the emails that they stole for him
    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.

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  3. #4248

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    Overwhelming Confirmation of Whistleblower Complaint: An Annotation
    by Ryan Goodman and John T. Nelson
    October 7, 2019

    As the following analysis clearly demonstrates, an overwhelming percentage of the whistleblower’s complaint in Ukrainegate has been confirmed by U.S. government documents, witness statements, and independent investigative reports. We highlight all the key portions of the complaint that have been confirmed or corroborated, and we include links to the sources confirming or corroborating the information. The most significant sources include the official rough transcript of the July 25 call between President Trump and President Zelenskyy, text messages between three U.S. diplomats and Ukrainian officials, the written testimony of the then-US special envoy to Ukraine Paul Volker, and, finally, reliable news reports. It is also worth noting that the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community concluded the whistleblower’s report appeared credible after conducting a review including interviews with witnesses.

    Text in blue font in the whistleblower’s complaint designates statements that have been confirmed or corroborated. Text in black font should not be considered untrue or refuted.

    https://www.justsecurity.org/66475/u...an-annotation/
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  4. #4249

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    ALT-immigration ��
    @ALT_uscis

    President Carter fell, went and got stitches on his face, then showed up to help build houses as usual.

    We made him sell a peanut farm, because god forbid he was going to profit off it using the presidency.

    Now cry.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1181222461880389634
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  5. #4250

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    Ti, You have no idea how often I am near to tears over our governmental situation these days. I loved that note.

    By the way, I continue to see how the Republicans are using "the best defense is a good offense" in their response to this impeachment inquiry process. They get on TV and have decided on certain talking points, which they then yell repeatedly at the tops of their lungs at whomever is trying to ask them questions. (see any number of the ones from this past weekend, with ones I really "liked" including Johnson of Wisconsin and our friend Lindsey Graham).

    GH

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    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    White supremacists are the victims and those fighting against them are terrorists.

    Neo-Nazis shouting "Jews will not replace us" include some very fine people, but the counter-protesters are very violent.

    Corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor, who the whole West and many international organizations wanted fired, is the victim and those involved in fighting against his corruption are the corrupt.

    It's sickening.

  7. #4252

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    Your next president will be such a relief. Even if it's Mike Pence
    Roger forever

  8. #4253

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    Trump’s Ukraine Call Was ‘Crazy’ and ‘Frightening,’ Official Told Whistle-Blower
    The whistle-blower wrote a memo describing an official who heard the call as “visibly shaken” by it.
    By Nicholas Fandos
    Oct. 8, 2019, 3:47 p.m. ET

    WASHINGTON — A White House official who listened to President Trump’s July phone call with Ukraine’s leader described it as “crazy,” “frightening,” and “completely lacking in substance related to national security,” according to a memo written by the whistle-blower at the center of the Ukraine scandal, a C.I.A. officer who spoke to the White House official.

    The White House official was “visibly shaken by what had transpired,” the C.I.A. officer wrote in his memo, one day after Mr. Trump pressured President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine in a July 25 phone call to open investigations that would benefit him politically.

    A palpable sense of concern had already taken hold among at least some in the White House that the call had veered well outside the bounds of traditional diplomacy, the officer wrote.

    “The official stated that there was already a conversation underway with White House lawyers about how to handle the discussion because, in the official’s view, the president had clearly committed a criminal act by urging a foreign power to investigate a U.S. person for the purposes of advancing his own re-election bid in 2020,” the C.I.A. officer wrote.

    The document provides a rare glimpse into at least one of the communications with a White House official that helped prompt the whistle-blower’s formal complaint to the intelligence community’s inspector general detailing a broad pressure campaign on Ukraine. The complaint and a reconstructed transcript released by the White House formed the basis of the House impeachment inquiry into Mr. Trump.

    The inspector general, Michael Atkinson, handed the two-page memo over to Congress last week. A person familiar with its contents described it to The New York Times. Fox News first reported details from it. Neither a lawyer for the whistle-blower nor a spokeswoman for Mr. Atkinson immediately responded to requests for comment.

    The whistle-blower, who had no firsthand knowledge of the events he described, wrote in his complaint that he spoke to “multiple U.S. government officials” who said that Mr. Trump was “using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.”

    It was not clear whether the White House official he spoke to on July 26 was the second whistle-blower, who has also provided information to Mr. Atkinson, or a different person. Neither whistle-blower’s name has been made public.

    Little, if any, of the whistle-blower’s complaint has been disproved, though Mr. Trump has sought to discredit him because his account was secondhand. The White House transcript largely affirmed his account of the call, and Mr. Atkinson deemed his complaint credible, saying he interviewed others who corroborated it.

    The White House official “seemed keen to inform a trusted colleague within the national security apparatus about the call,” the C.I.A. officer wrote in his July 26 memo.

    Much of the whistle-blower’s memo also comports with the existing public record of the call between Mr. Trump and Mr. Zelensky. The C.I.A. officer noted that he spoke to the White House official for only a few minutes, “and as a result, I only received highlights.”

    The memo detailed key aspects of the conversation, including Mr. Trump’s request for investigations into former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his son Hunter, and a conspiracy theory about Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 election.

    This is a developing story. Check back for updates.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/u...tleblower.html
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  9. #4254

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    Kurt Eichenwald
    @kurteichenwald
    1. Reps like
    @RepAdamSchiff
    & top legal minds like
    @neal_katyal
    need to understand: What Trump is doing with delays, refusing to abide by subpoenas, refusing witnesses *has been his standard operating procedure for decades.* He learned it from Roy Cohn...

    https://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/...ts-515120.html

    2...he is making ridiculous arguments and - although he is disturbed - probably knows they are ridiculous because this is what he has done constantly in every type of proceeding. It will not stop until people start getting locked up for inherent contempt. Examples....

    3...take the famous housing discrimination case: Trump refused to comply with subpoenas, filed bogus challenges, ignored court orders, filed false affidavits, always reacted like any attempt to obtain information was outrageous....



    4...Trump refused to answer written questions required and when a lawyer called to find out why, he said he wasn't going to.

    Finally, a court ordered him to do a deposition, at which point he revealed: During the entire delay, he was destroying relevant documents....



    5...Trump then impeded a court-ordered search of documents, filed false affidavits, and did everything he could to throw every possible blockade in front of the government. *He does not comply to orders, subpoenas etc, because there has never been a consequence for him.*....



    6...he also perjures himself quite readily (see below), because there has also never been a consequence to him. *He is not scared of you,
    @RepAdamSchiff
    , because he knows he is going to ignore courts, ignore you, lie, & order people to cover up...

    https://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/26/...on-489797.html

    7...because that is what he does. He always does. This is not going to change.

    This was not limited to the government housing case. Trump did the same thing in litigation all the time. He even lied that they did not have insurance on one deal to avoid a settlement, then only...



    What is Inherent Contempt?

    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL34097.pdf

    There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.

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  10. #4255

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    First on CNN: Trump told Perry and State Department officials as early as May to talk to Giuliani about Ukraine
    By Katelyn Polantz, Gloria Borger and Kylie Atwood, CNN

    Updated 8:56 PM ET, Tue October 8, 2019

    (CNN)President Donald Trump directed Secretary of Energy Rick Perry and two top State Department officials to deal with his private attorney Rudy Giuliani when the Ukrainian President sought to meet Trump, in a clear circumvention of official channels, according to two sources familiar with the conversation.

    Trump believed Ukraine was still rampantly corrupt and said that if President Volodymyr Zelensky wanted to meet with him, Giuliani would have to be convinced first, one source said.

    "If they can satisfy Rudy, they can satisfy the President," a person familiar with the meeting said.
    Trump's push to have Giuliani as gatekeeper is more direct than what was previously disclosed by one of the meeting's participants in his statement to the House last week. It also further demonstrates how significant Giuliani was in brokering access to the President regarding Ukraine policy and in passing messages to other administration officials.

    CNN has reached out to the White House for comment.

    A key accusation in the whistleblower's complaint that has prompted the impeachment probe into the President's dealings with Ukraine is that Giuliani, a private citizen, had been presenting to Ukraine a US policy different than that from US diplomats.

    At the May 23 meeting, Perry, US Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland and Kurt Volker, then the State Department's special representative to Ukraine, were reporting back to Trump after they returned from Zelensky's inauguration.

    Their goal was to tell Trump that they had a favorable impression of Zelensky and his government, and that he was a reformer who Trump should trust and engage with, according to three sources familiar with the meeting.

    They were hoping to set up a meeting between Trump and Zelensky, the sources said. They believed Ukraine under Zelensky was a more trusted ally than previous Ukrainian regimes, and that a visit between Trump and Zelensky could demonstrate to the Russian government that the US embraced a free Ukraine, according to two of the sources.

    Notably, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was in Washington on May 23 but he did not attend the meeting with Trump.


    Perry had led the delegation who attended Zelensky's inauguration, and was a central figure in the May meeting with Trump.

    It became clear to the Trump administration officials, the sources said, that they would have to deal with Giuliani.

    Volker hinted last week in speaking to the House how central Giuliani was in the President's foreign policy approach to Ukraine.

    "The President was very skeptical," Volker said to the House committees, describing what had happened when he, Sondland and Perry spoke to Trump. "In the course of that conversation, he referenced conversations with Mayor Giuliani."

    "He was clearly receiving other information from other sources, including Mayor Giuliani, that was more negative, causing him to retain this negative view" of a corrupt Ukraine, Volker added.

    The US officials then set out to correct the information feed coming into the President while realizing they would need to work with --and around -- Giuliani, according to the sources.

    Two months later, during an interagency meeting, the Office of Management and Budget announced it would review whether Ukraine should receive $400 million in assistance from the US that had been set aside by Congress. The question on aid that arose later eventually became a major topic of conversation among Sondland, Volker and others.

    Perry acknowledged speaking to Giuliani, according to an Energy Department spokesperson. The spokesperson didn't comment on the meeting itself or the substance of the conversations with Giuliani.
    When asked if he had ever spoken to Perry about Ukraine, Giuliani responded by dismissing the question.
    "Did Henry Kissinger ever call me about Ukraine," Giuliani wrote to CNN on Tuesday. "What about Colin Powell."

    He then said that any information about his possible discussions with Perry would be privileged. He did not explain why.

    CNN's Michael Warren, Rene Marsh and Jeremy Diamond contributed to this report.


    https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/08/polit...ent/index.html
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  11. #4256

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    About that Kurt Eichenwald post:
    Luck exists in this world. Some people have it and therefore, some BAD people will have it. Tiny is in that category. The people that always get away with anything.
    Tiny, Vlad, Chavez, Fidel Castro. Then some PoliSci idiots spin a complete theory of how "smart" they are. No, they are bullies with luck.
    So that pretty much settles it. Tiny will at least complete this term, likely will win his next, simply because the legal system in the USA is designed, rightly so, to protect the (white) innocent people. Not to catch the (white) guilty ones.
    And disclaimer: I don't want to use parenthesis within parenthesis but my RIGHTLY SO above is about protecting the INNOCENT. The racial disparity is, of course, not right.
    Missing winter...

  12. #4257

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol

    Lindsey Graham: A president who doesn't comply with Congressional requests for information is subject to impeachment.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1181682899424350209
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    ― Frank Zappa





  13. #4258

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    serious question:
    Could it be that by now EVERYBODY has dirt and/or leverage over Tiny? Secret services do share intel and I suppose that for somebody not as dumb as the US congress getting those tax returns must not be that difficult. If Deutsche Bank has them, there have got to be somebody else that has them too.
    And therefore, Tiny has not one master (Vlad), he is exposed to many others.
    Missing winter...

  14. #4259

    Re: A Chronicle of our Descent to Hades

    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    serious question:
    Could it be that by now EVERYBODY has dirt and/or leverage over Tiny? Secret services do share intel and I suppose that for somebody not as dumb as the US congress getting those tax returns must not be that difficult. If Deutsche Bank has them, there have got to be somebody else that has them too.
    And therefore, Tiny has not one master (Vlad), he is exposed to many others.
    I'm sure he has some exposure to some sources of finances, but I think a lot of these issues arise because it's really easy to convince him of something. Particularly if you can get him one-on-one, like Erdogan did regarding the US withdrawal from Northern Syria, it seems that anyone can manipulate his thinking.

  15. #4260

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    Read the whistleblower's memo about Trump's Ukraine call, as described to CBS News
    BY ARDEN FARHI

    OCTOBER 9, 2019 / 3:02 PM / CBS NEWS

    Washington — CBS News has learned the full contents of what appears to be a memo written by the whistleblower one day after President Trump spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in July.

    The memo, dated July 26, is based on a conversation the whistleblower had with an unnamed White House official who listened to the call.

    According to a source familiar with the matter, the memo was among the factors that led the intelligence community inspector general to determine the whistleblower's formal August 12 complaint was credible. The inspector general testified Friday behind closed doors before the three House committee leading the impeachment inquiry.

    The president's call with Zelensky was held on the morning of July 25. The whistleblower wrote the memo the next day after speaking with the official in the afternoon. The whistleblower wrote that he or she spoke with the White House official for "a few minutes," and summarized their conversation.

    According to the memo, the White House official described the contents of the call as "crazy," "frightening" and "completely lacking in substance related to national security."

    The whistleblower said the official was "visibly shaken by what had transpired and seemed keen to inform a trusted colleague within the U.S. national security apparatus about the call."

    The whistleblower's summary of the White House official's account of the call largely comports with the call record released by the White House, though some details are missing.

    (See next post for the memo.)
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