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    Did Eric Holder Lie To Congress?

    ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed in July 2010
    By Sharyl Attkisson
    October 3, 2011 5:59 PM

    WASHINGTON - New documents obtained by CBS News show Attorney General Eric Holder was sent briefings on the controversial Fast and Furious operation as far back as July 2010. That directly contradicts his statement to Congress.


    On May 3, 2011, Holder told a Judiciary Committee hearing, "I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."


    Yet internal Justice Department documents show that at least ten months before that hearing, Holder began receiving frequent memos discussing Fast and Furious.

    The documents came from the head of the National Drug Intelligence Center and Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer.

    In Fast and Furious, ATF agents allegedly allowed thousands of weapons to cross the border and fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

    It's called letting guns "walk," and it remained secret to the public until Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was murdered last December. Two guns from Fast and Furious were found at the scene, and ATF agent John Dodson blew the whistle on the operation.

    Rest of story: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_16...-10391695.html

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    Re: Did Eric Holder Lie To Congress?

    According to Politico, the House Judiciary Chairman, Lamar Smith, has today written to President Obama requesting that the Justice Department appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate Holder.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65083.html
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    So has this been linked in any way to the ongoing Justice Department investigation into Newscorp yet? No? Just thinking out loud...
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    Re: Did Eric Holder Lie To Congress?

    Does anyone else think that the time for Eric Holder to submit his resignation is LONG overdue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dryrunguy View Post
    Does anyone else think that the time for Eric Holder to submit his resignation is LONG overdue?
    This is a witch hunt pure and simple. This program was started under Dubya and ended by Holder. Before Holder started his job several people associated with the program were killed.

    Chris Matthews compared this whole thing to a high level stop and frisk, an attempt to discredit the President by going after Holder by Issa, who, if there was true justice would probably not have ever been elected to Congress based on his history. Issa said he was going to do this before he was even sworn in and once the Republicans voted themselves subpoena power he went right after the Attorney General.

    No, Holder should not resign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dryrunguy View Post
    Does anyone else think that the time for Eric Holder to submit his resignation is LONG overdue?
    An ATF agent died because of this moron stupid idea so send guns to drug cartels in Mexico even knowing how much the mexican people suffered!

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    Re: Did Eric Holder Lie To Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ti-Amie View Post
    This is a witch hunt pure and simple. This program was started under Dubya and ended by Holder. Before Holder started his job several people associated with the program were killed.

    Chris Matthews compared this whole thing to a high level stop and frisk, an attempt to discredit the President by going after Holder by Issa, who, if there was true justice would probably not have ever been elected to Congress based on his history. Issa said he was going to do this before he was even sworn in and once the Republicans voted themselves subpoena power he went right after the Attorney General.

    No, Holder should not resign.
    Sure this is a witch hunt. But the DOJ under his leadership has been frighteningly inept. Their attorney in the Supreme Court hearings on the individual mandate got slaughtered. The John Edwards investigation was an abuse of taxpayer resources. On numerous fronts, at least from my view, DOJ has made several horrible errors.

    In fairness, they've also done some great things, too. But Holder has now reached a point where, on Fast and Furious, he hasn't even been able to lie in a remotely credible way.

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    Re: Did Eric Holder Lie To Congress?

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Holder in trouble for lying to congress (not for the Fast and Furious campaign itself)?
    Oh Grigor. You silly man.

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    Re: Did Eric Holder Lie To Congress?

    Darrell Issa Fights Subpoenas After Chastising Eric Holder For Doing The Same Thing

    WASHINGTON -- Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who for more than seven months has been chastising Attorney General Eric Holder for failing to comply with a subpoena, is now fighting his own subpoenas on the grounds that he is too busy to get involved.

    In his role as chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Issa has been pressing Holder on the necessity of subpoena compliance since October 2011, when he first subpoenaed the attorney general for documents relating to the Justice Department's botched "Fast and Furious" undercover gun operation.

    Holder has since turned over 7,600 pages of documents in 46 separate dumps and, since January 2011, has testified to Congress on the issue seven times. But Issa has charged that Holder is not fully complying with the subpoena and, earlier this month, threatened to hold him in contempt of Congress if he did not produce more documents.

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    Yet for all his talk about the necessity of subpoena compliance, Issa does not seem willing to apply that standard to himself. The California Republican confirmed to Roll Call earlier this month that he has been subpoenaed in a trial involving retired baseball star Roger Clemens, who is accused of lying about steroid use during a 2008 hearing before Issa's committee. Clemens' attorneys are seeking Issa's testimony, along with committee documents, for the trial in U.S District Court in Washington.

    Lawyers for Issa responded to Clemens' attorneys with a 47-page explanation as to why Issa does not have to comply with their subpoenas. The gist of their reasoning? He's too important, there's nothing unique about his perspective and it would require too much effort.

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    Re: Did Eric Holder Lie To Congress?

    Oh yes, Issa is a lying, hypocritical snake. No question.

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    Re: Did Eric Holder Lie To Congress?

    (looks like the 2012 campaign may have its own Cindy Sheehan)

    Brian Terry’s parents: W.H. 'lying'
    By TIM MAK | 6/22/12 6:33 AM EDT Updated: 6/22/12 2:08 PM EDT

    The parents of slain U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry accused the Obama administration of “lying” and “hiding something” about the Fast and Furious gunwalking operation, which was linked to the 2010 killing of their son.

    “I think they are hiding something. I think they are lying and they are hiding… big time. Passing the buck,” Ken Terry said on Fox’s “Hannity” on Thursday evening. “I got a gut feeling on that. I just know that they are hiding something big. Something happened out there, and worse than what we know.”

    “Eric Holder has been before Congress so many times. And [from] the first couple times you can tell there’s something being hid, and there’s something not being said. After a while you feel like throwing the TV through the front window because you get tired of hearing the constant lies,” said Josephine Terry.

    Brian Terry’s December 2010 death — linked to firearms traced to the ATF’s Fast and Furious program — was the incident that brought the operation into public scrutiny.

    Through the program, the ATF sought to track guns across the border to drug cartels and weapons smugglers but ended up losing track of them.

    With Terry’s parents, there was a palpable sense of loss and anger — the two spoke in short, staggered sentences in response to Hannity’s questions.

    “I probably couldn’t say on camera what I would like to say to him,” Ken Terry said regarding his feelings toward President Barack Obama.

    “I was very furious. I was very upset,” he added, speaking about when he first found out about the concept of gunwalking and the fact that it was linked to his son’s death. “It’s like a bad dream, like I’m going to wake up.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1yYbqyYN8
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    Re: Did Eric Holder Lie To Congress?

    Honesty from the government? Ha!!
    Open wide.

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    WASHINGTON -- House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) contradicted House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) on Sunday, saying that Congress has found no evidence that President Barack Obama or anyone at the White House had participated in a cover-up involving the Fast and Furious scandal.

    On Thursday, Boehner said that the Obama administration's decision to invoke executive privilege to prevent the release of some documents about the program Issa had requested was "an admission that White House officials were involved in the decision that misled the Congress and covered up the truth."

    During an appearance on "Fox News Sunday," host Chris Wallace asked Issa whether he had "any evidence" that the White House had been involved with the matter.

    "No, we don't," Issa said.

    The Justice Department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms apparently allowed some gun sales in Arizona to known Mexican criminals. Two of the guns involved were found at the scene of a firefight in which U.S. Customs Agent Brian Terry was killed.

    In February 2011, DOJ sent a letter to Congress denying such sales, but retracted that claim in December. It is not clear if either Attorney General Eric Holder or President Barack Obama were aware of the program, and Issa acknowledged Sunday that he has not found evidence Holder was involved.

    "I did not say that Eric Holder always knew," Issa said.

    But the investigation has devolved into a bizarre, complex conspiracy theory, which Issa and other congressional Republicans have suggested the Obama administration hatched in order to impose new gun control regulations. By inciting gun violence in Mexico, the theory goes, the administration hoped to spark a controversy that would build public support for gun control.

    In April, Issa presented the case at a National Rifle Association conference.

    "Could it be that what they really were thinking of was in fact to use this walking of guns in order to promote an assault weapons ban? Many think so," Issa said at the time. "And they haven't come up with an explanation that would cause any of us not to agree."

    He defended the conspiracy theory Sunday on ABC's "This Week," saying that emails about the aftermath of Fast and Furious indicate that people reviewing the results of the program had the power to inform new regulatory actions. That does not, however, mean that the program was developed for the purpose of imposing gun control rules. President George W. Bush's administration opposed gun control, and it used similar programs to track criminal groups.

    "We have emails from people who are involved in this who are talking about using what they're finding to support an assault weapons ban," Issa said. "So chicken or egg, which came first, we'll probably never know."

    Issa also acknowledged on the show that previous gun-walking cases occurred during the Bush administration, but said the practice went further under Obama.

    "It started under Bush, was closed up under Bush, reopened under President Obama, and in fact got to be on steroids," he said.
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    The only reaction I have to almost every post in this thread is rolled eyes.


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    Re: Did Eric Holder Lie To Congress?

    Steney Hoyer (Pelosi's "count the votes" man in the House) is saying that "some" Democrats will join with Republicans in voting to hold Eric Holder in contempt of Congress when the vote is taken on Thursday.
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