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    Quote Originally Posted by Ti-Amie View Post

    Blacks weren't magically equal to whites when the Civil War amendments were passed. Sharecropping, "separate but equal" and other forms of official political/social/economic oppression kept Blacks down for another 100+ years.
    Ah yes. Like when the Homestead Act gave land to people, and an amendment to it specifically made sure to include Blacks so that they could become landowners. There were a host of problems in practice, and I know this is shocking, but there was rampant discrimination in handing out plots of land, with plenty of blacks getting untillable land. My, let's see, I think it would be my maternal great great grandparents were given their "40 acres and a mule" of land in North Dakota that ended up being rocky and couldn't be farmed for crops.

    There is SO much crap that doesn't get talked about during the period after the Civil War up to the Civil Rights Act, but there is enough well known that is completely racist and inexcusable like "separate but equal" and Jim Crow laws that it is genuinely shocking when you see someone try to act like ish been all good since 1865.

  2. #12557

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    I cannot get this thread to unroll properly, possibly because it contains court filing links in each one. So posting this as best as I can. This is basically a reporter that read through and summarized the filing of the DOJ case against California Rep. Duncan Hunter.

    Brad Heath
    Verified account

    The Justice Department wants a judge to prohibit Rep. @Rep_Hunter from "offering evidence or argument concerning alleged political biases or motives of the prosecution team" or making other comments that could "poison the pool of potential jurors."
    Rep. Hunter, a Republican, says his prosecution by the Justice Department, currently run by Republican appointees of President Trump, is the "deep state" and was trying to "rig the election their own way."
    President Trump, a Republican, previously criticized his attorney general, also a Republican, for allowing the prosecution of two Republican congressmen.
    DOJ basically says @rep_hunter should raise his allegation of political bias properly, in a motion to dismiss, or shut up.
    The Justice Department filed a notice saying Rep. Duncan Hunter illegally used campaign funds to pay for "intimate" encounters with several women, and prosecutors want a judge's permission to tell jurors about those romances.
    DOJ says @rep_hunter took a lobbyist skiing near Lake Tahoe, and charged it to his campaign. Prosecutors said their relationship "blossomed beyond a mere friendship." They say he even charged the campaign for his $7 Sam Adams when he arrived in Tahoe.
    DOJ says Hunter took the unnamed lobbyist on a "double date road trip" to Virginia Beach with another member of Congress. He charged the campaign for their hotel room and bar tab.
    DOJ says Rep. Hunter used campaign money to take another woman, a House aide with whom he had been intimate, for drinks. Then he charged the campaign $21 for an Uber back to his office at 1:49 a.m.
    DOJ says Rep. Hunter billed his campaign $42 for an Uber after he engaged in "intimate personal activities" with a lobbyist at her D.C. area home. "That night," prosecutors wrote, "was not about business."
    DOJ says Rep. Hunter billed his campaign for an Uber in 2016 after he spent the night at the home of yet another Washington lobbyist, "where they engaged in intimate personal activities unrelated to Hunter's congressional campaign."
    DOJ says there's other "sensitive conduct,", but they don't want to say what it is, other than that it's "clearly non-work related activity during get-togethers with his close personal friends" and that it could potentially taint the jury pool if revealed.
    Meanwhile, @rep_hunter wants a court to throw out the charges against him because two officials in the U.S. Attorney's office attended a Hillary Clinton fundraiser in 2016 and wanted a photo with her.
    The argument for why that requires dismissal is ... thin. He argues he was prosecuted in retaliation for endorsing Trump, but in support of that, he argues only that two AUSAs on the case appear to have supported Clinton.
    Rep. Hunter also argues that lying on campaign disclosure forms might maybe be a crime, but that should be up to the FEC, and it's definitely not obstruction, because that would chill "the First Amendment rights of every member and candidate for Congress."
    And DOJ says Rep. Hunter, despite drawing a $170,000 salary as a congressman, was basically broke. "So little compunction did they feel about stealing to make ends meet, they began to use campaign funds for such basic expenses as cigarettes, gasoline and groceries."
    "Intimate personal activities unrelated to Hunter's congressional campaign" is easily among the best euphemisms for "sex" that I've seen in a court filing.

  3. #12558

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    Related to the story above. If you don't watch Last Week Tonight regularly on HBO (versus what the show makes available on YT), then you may not have seen John cover some of this last week. At that point the wife had flipped on him. Now with reports of at least five mistresses, I think we can guess why she did. This is in poor focus, but it's still up, they might be allowing it because of that reason. You'll still get the idea. Go to the 1:02 mark to watch this story.

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    Family values.
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

  5. #12560

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    Peter Baker
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    Trump says citizenship has to be asked on the census to determine congressional districts. Actually, districts are drawn up based on total population, not the number of citizens, a practice upheld by the Supreme Court as recently as 2016.

    Ted Lieu
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    More Ted Lieu Retweeted Peter Baker
    Pleased @realDonaldTrump has made it even harder now to include the citizenship question on #Census2020. Drawing congressional districts based on "citizens," rather than "persons," is unconstitutional. Trump has now stated the real reason, and that reason is unconstitutional.
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

  6. #12561

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    Cubs co-owner Todd Ricketts’ property tax appeal under investigation after Tribune finds assessment problem
    Hal Dardick
    JUL 09, 2019 | 6:48 AM

    This photograph submitted by Todd Ricketts' attorney for a property tax appeal shows an old house that's since been torn down. It's half the size of a new home Ricketts built to replace it. (Cook County Board of Review records)

    For nearly a decade, Chicago Cubs co-owner Todd Ricketts has lived in a 5,000-square-foot North Shore house nestled on a meticulously landscaped lot complete with a Japanese-style garden.

    It’s a showcase Wilmette home a short walk from Lake Michigan. But it’s not the home that Ricketts, who also is finance chairman of the Republican National Committee, has been paying taxes on.

    Instead, records show, Ricketts pays property taxes based on the value of the much older and smaller house that he tore down to make way for the new one, providing him with a huge discount likely totaling tens of thousands of dollars over the years.

    State law required Ricketts to notify the assessor that he had built a new home in 2010, but a spokesman for the assessor’s office said there’s no record that Ricketts ever did.

    In 2013, Ricketts’ attorney had a chance to tell Cook County tax officials about the new home during a property tax appeal but instead sought a reduction based on the age and size of the old house, according to documents the Tribune obtained through an open-records request. The paperwork included a photo of the century-old home that had been demolished.

    After the Tribune asked about the discrepancy, the assessor’s office said it would take a look at Ricketts’ home and recalculate how much it’s worth for tax purposes. And the county Board of Review, which considered the 2013 property tax appeal, said it had launched an investigation.

    Ricketts declined to be interviewed and did not answer a list of questions the Tribune submitted via email. Spokesman Brian Baker issued a statement.

    Todd Ricketts' 5,000-square-foot house in Wilmette, shown June 27, 2019. (John J. Kim / Chicago Tribune)

    ”When Mr. Ricketts purchased property in Wilmette more than 10 years ago, he filed all necessary paperwork to build a new home," the statement reads. "Later, he retained a real estate attorney to assist with issues regarding his real estate taxes and assumed everyone involved had the correct information. If a mistake was made, he will work in good faith to fix it.”

    The tax attorney, veteran Chicago lawyer James FortCamp of Seyfarth Shaw, did not return a message seeking comment or respond to a list of emailed questions.

    Michael Cabonargi, a Democratic Board of Review commissioner, said Ricketts should repay “the property tax relief it now appears he was not entitled to."

    “By not paying his fair share, Mr. Ricketts shifted his property taxes to other homeowners," he added.

    The fact that the underassessment of Ricketts’ property went undetected by tax officials for nearly a decade illustrates long-standing problems in a county assessment system experts say is deeply flawed. In the case of Ricketts’ house, the problem spans 12 years — from the time the old house was razed — and three county assessors.

    New Trier Township officials say they notified the assessor’s office that a building permit had been issued for Ricketts’ new home, which should have triggered an inspection. But the assessor’s office said it has no record that it ever received the information and said no inspection was done.

    Property tax experts say such failures are not uncommon. When those errors occur, affluent homeowners end up paying less than their fair share — shifting the overall tax burden onto other property owners.

    Even as Ricketts and his wife — anti-tax and free market advocate Sylvie Légère — benefited from the property tax savings, Légère wrote to Wilmette school board officials lamenting the village’s high property tax burden and urged them to avoid another increase.

    Ricketts is a member of a billionaire family that secured an $8.5 million county historic renovation property tax break for its rehab of Wrigley Field. That project also is in line to receive more than $100 million in federal tax credits. Ricketts is one of four siblings on the Cubs board of directors. His brother, Tom Ricketts, is board chairman.

    The house

    In 2006, Ricketts and Légère bought a nearly 100-year-old, 2,500-square-foot house along a leafy Wilmette street. They paid nearly $1.5 million for the property, just down the street from where Tom Ricketts lived at the time, county records show.

    Nearly a year later, Todd Ricketts and Légère bought the house next door to the one they already owned. It was smaller — 1,625 square feet — and on a lot half the size, but it gave the couple room to build a new, bigger house and still comply with Wilmette zoning codes. The neighboring property cost $869,000.

    The couple then had both homes torn down, as they made plans to start construction of their new dwelling, which was designed by noted architect Dirk Denison and high-end custom homebuilder Altounian Construction.

    Plans submitted to Wilmette officials show the couple was building a contemporary two-story house of about 5,000 square feet. The plans also included an 800-square-foot garage and extra outdoor parking spaces on a manicured lot with outdoor patios and a koi pond. The house was completed in February 2010, village records show.

    The village approved the building permit in September 2007 and sent the details to the New Trier Township assessor’s office, said Lisa Roberts, Wilmette’s assistant community development director. That November, the permit details were sent to the county assessor, said Leonard Shifflett, the deputy New Trier Township assessor.

    But county assessor’s office records include no indication the building permit notification was ever received, said Scott Smith, a spokesman for Assessor Fritz Kaegi, who took office late last year.

    “We are not aware of any written correspondence to the office regarding the improvement," Smith said.

    When such data arrives downtown, it’s supposed to trigger an inspection by the assessor’s office. But no inspection of the new home was ever done because the office hadn’t received the records to indicate it was necessary, Smith said.

    Inspections are key to the valuation process. They help document a new home’s characteristics that are used to determine its assessed value.

    The assessed value, in turn, is used to determine the size of the property tax bill. The more valuable the home, the higher the bill. In Ricketts’ case, his bill would have gone up significantly.

    The three biggest factors in determining a home’s value are its location, its square footage and its age, said David Merriman, a University of Illinois at Chicago professor of public administration who’s an expert on property taxes. Ricketts’ current home is far newer than the one it replaced, and about double the size, so it should have been assessed at a much higher value, Merriman said.

    The assessor, however, continued to value Ricketts’ new home as if it were still the old home. For this year’s bill, Ricketts’ property was valued at $993,500, resulting in a tax bill of about $22,800.

    So what would Ricketts’ property tax bill be if his home were properly assessed? Kaegi’s office will make that determination in the coming months, but Ricketts’ neighbor provides a basis for comparison.

    The house next door to Ricketts is slightly smaller, at about 4,700 square feet. The lot is also slightly smaller. And the neighbor’s house is much older, at 79 years compared with nine years for Ricketts’ new house.

    Despite that, the assessor valued the neighbor’s house about 34% higher than Ricketts’ new house — at nearly $1.35 million. Ricketts’ neighbor received a tax bill this year of nearly $31,200.

    If Ricketts’ house were assessed more in line with the value of his next-door neighbor’s — a conservative estimate — Ricketts would have paid at least $8,000 more in property taxes this year. Ricketts has been underassessed for nine years, but it’s difficult to hit the total button due to changes in assessments and tax rates over the years.

    The example of the next-door neighbor tracks with Merriman’s estimate of what Ricketts’ new house could be valued at for tax purposes. “Clearly, the new house should have been paying a lot higher property taxes,” Merriman said.

    The appeals

    There was a chance in 2013 for tax officials to find out that Ricketts’ old house was still being used as the basis for property assessments instead of the new home. But that didn’t happen.

    Ricketts’ properties had been reassessed that year, and FortCamp, Ricketts’ attorney, filed an appeal with the county Board of Review asking to lower the assessment on both the property that contains the new house and the adjoining property that contains the side yard.

    FortCamp noted that the side yard had been assessed as though a home were still there, but the house had been razed and the land was now vacant, meaning its value was significantly less.

    FortCamp also argued that the property containing the Ricketts’ house should have its assessment cut, citing what he said were other similar houses in the neighborhood that had lower assessed values per square foot.

    In his appeal paperwork, FortCamp told the review board that the Ricketts’ house was 96 years old and was 2,534 square feet. That, however, is the age and size of Ricketts’ old house, not the new one that had been completed three years earlier. In addition, the photo of the house FortCamp submitted with his appeal was of the Ricketts’ old house that had been torn down, not the new home.

    Based on the materials that FortCamp submitted, the review board lowered both the value of the side yard and the property with the Ricketts’ home. That resulted in a relatively small property tax savings for Ricketts.

    The Tribune asked the review board about the appeal, and it issued a statement: “In 2013, Todd Ricketts, through his attorney, presented evidence to the Board of Review that appears was outdated and inaccurate. Upon becoming aware, the Board of Review began an investigation into the appeal and the evidence.”
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  7. #12562

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    And these people criticize the Taliban?!

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    Republican gubernatorial candidate Rep. Robert Foster denied @thisislarrison, a woman reporter for Mississippi Today, access to a campaign trip ride along. Foster's campaign director told her she would need to be accompanied by a male colleague. #MSElex

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    Before our decision to run, my wife and I made a commitment to follow the “Billy Graham Rule”, which is to avoid any situation that may evoke suspicion or compromise of our marriage. I am sorry Ms. Campbell doesn’t share these views, but my decision was out of respect of my wife.
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    So god can bring people back to life and make diseases mysteriously disappear, but she's not big enough to keep you from cheating on your wife... Good to know...

  9. #12564

    Re: Politics Random Random

    Quote Originally Posted by Ti-Amie View Post
    Cubs co-owner Todd Ricketts’ property tax appeal under investigation after Tribune finds assessment problem
    This story made me laugh. Two things. More pictures, then a comment.

    These are the previous homes that were torn down.

    This is the new house.

    This contemporary home near the lake in Wilmette? LOL! I know those neighbors were all kinds of put out when this went up and I'd put my money on one of them dropping the dime on them. An outdated assessment isn't that unusual, but on a newly built home and one that has an appeal and misleading information they provided definitely is. Wilmette is in New Trier Township. New Trier is the single best funded public school district in the entire country with the highest per student spend. Seriously, they are a freaking posh private school masquerading as a public school and that's where a ton of the very high taxes go. Since they are basically a feeder school and nearby, I have many friends and classmates from this area. Contemporary, especially this boldly modern, does not remotely fit the architecture in the neighborhood, I know plenty of neighbors were pissed when it was being built.

  10. #12565

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    William Barr’s donations to Senate Republicans spiked just before they confirmed him as attorney general
    By Ephrat Livni & David Yanofsky July 18, 2019

    In between stints as US attorney general for George HW Bush in the early 90s and now for Donald Trump, while making millions as an executive at Verizon and a lawyer at Kirkland & Ellis, William Barr sent hundreds of thousands of dollars to various Republicans and their causes.

    Most of those donations made between 1993 and 2019 were occasional at best. But in the lead up to his Senate confirmation hearings for attorney general earlier this year, his giving habits suddenly changed. Barr’s donations became far more frequent, notable for their size, recipients, and possible utility to him. In total, Barr gave $51,000 to the National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC)—a group that raises money to help elect Republicans to the Senate—in the months leading up to the Senate’s confirmation of his nomination.

    Barr’s ramped up contributions took place over a 5-month period from October 2018 to February 2019 and were substantially different than his prior giving to the NRSC, according to Federal Election Commission (FEC) filings. In the past Barr gave sporadically, once in 2009 and 2011, twice in 2014, one contribution in 2015, and another in 2016. Then, Jeff Sessions’ tenure as attorney general got rocky, and Barr started giving regularly. He donated on a schedule, providing $10,000 every month to the NRSC, on the third of the month, starting in October. That continued until he was confirmed on Feb. 14, 2019, just 11 days after his last contribution.

    Neither Jeff Sessions, Loretta Lynch, nor Eric Holder—the three prior attorneys general—made payments to either party committees or senators ahead of confirmation hearings and votes. Holder gave $250 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in 2007—two years ahead of his confirmation, and also made a contribution to then California senator Barbara Boxer in 2008. Lynch gave $13,800 to Barack Obama’s election efforts in 2008. She wasn’t nominated to become attorney general until 2014.

    Quartz contacted the Department of Justice for comment from the attorney general on the contributions but has not yet received a response. This story will be updated if the DOJ replies to the query.

    The donations do not violate FEC rules. The contributions should, however, “raise eyebrows,” says Adav Noti, a senior director at the nonprofit, nonpartisan Campaign Legal Center in Washington DC, a campaign finance watchdog.

    “The fact that any one person can give such large amounts to a political party creates a perception problem,” Noti—who was formerly associate general counsel at the FEC— explained. “Someone giving such large amounts to a senatorial committee before their confirmation certainly raises appearance questions.”

    The obvious question raised by these donations is whether they were intended to influence a particular outcome. “Maybe it’s a coincidence. Maybe not,” Noti says of the timing and sums. But as long as there was no implicit or explicit quid pro quo, no exchange for an official act—and there is no evidence here that Barr expected or was promised anything in exchange for his donations—there is no legal issue with the contributions. Still, Noti said it is “a flaw in the system” that such large and targeted contributions are permitted.

    Barr himself has opined on the matter of prosecutors contributing to political campaigns. In 2017, he spoke to the Washington Post about the prosecutors former special counsel Robert Mueller was hiring as part of his investigation into Russian meddling in the US election and the president’s efforts to thwart that investigation, some of whom had contributed to Democratic causes. “In my view, prosecutors who make political contributions are identifying fairly strongly with a political party,” Barr said.

    His own donations are similarly suspect, although the NRSC refunded $30,000 to Barr on Feb. 6, about a week before he was confirmed (Quartz has contacted the NRSC for comment and will update the story with a response). The contributions also indicate that Barr wasn’t quite as reluctant to serve under Trump as has been previously reported. In June, the New York Times wrote that “by all accounts, Mr. Barr was not anxious to join Mr. Trump’s team,” and noted that he declined an earlier opportunity to represent Trump as his private criminal counsel, saying, “I didn’t want to stick my head into that meat grinder.”

    However, Barr did in 2018 send an unsolicited 20-page memo to then deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein regarding Mueller’s investigation, titled “Mueller’s ‘obstruction’ theory.” In it, he wrote, “the Constitution vests all Federal law enforcement power, and hence prosecutorial discretion, in the President.” (Emphasis in the original). Barr stated that there can be “no limit on the President’s authority to act on matters which concern him or his own conduct.” In other words, he wasn’t lying low hoping to go unnoticed but signaling strongly that he would defend Trump.

    Indeed, as attorney general, Barr has played a key role in supporting the president. When the Mueller report was completed in March, Barr issued a misleading statement indicating that it cleared the president of obstruction of justice allegations. But when the full 448-page report was released in April, it showed only that Mueller felt constrained by a rule that barred him from charging the president. Mueller actually outlined in the report 11 situations in which Trump tried to thwart his team’s work. The attorney general held a press conference before releasing the full report that again minimized any wrongdoing on the president’s part and spoke of his “non-corrupt motives,” which stood in stark contrast to Mueller’s extensive findings. Barr wasn’t entirely forthright and he seemed to be speaking as if he was the president’s personal defense attorney rather than the nation’s chief prosecutor.

    In May, testifying before the Senate about the report, he explained his position, which further illuminated Barr’s view on executive power. “The president does not have to sit there constitutionally and allow [the investigation] to run its course. The president could terminate the proceeding and it would not be a corrupt intent because he was being falsely accused.” Later that same month, Trump authorized Barr to investigate the investigators, and look for “crimes” the president claims were committed by “the other side” when examining his own activities.

    It’s become apparent that serving as attorney general under Trump, who shares Barr’s expansive notions of executive power, allows Barr to pursue what his former DOJ colleague Donald Ayer called “his life’s work of creating an all-powerful president.”

    According to the New York Times, “Trump’s advisers saw him as the perfect replacement for Attorney General Jeff Sessions when the president forced him out in November: someone with Republican establishment gravitas and distinguished legal pedigree who seemed to share at least some of the president’s views.”

    He was reportedly recommended for the role by Abbe D. Lowell, the criminal defense lawyer representing Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and daughter Ivanka, among others. Based on the stark increase in Senate Republican donations ahead of his confirmation, Barr was anything but indifferent to the recommendation or the prospect of becoming attorney general again, this time under a like-minded president.

    Update: This story was updated to reflect the fact that the NRSC refunded $30,000 in contributions to Barr about one week before his confirmation.
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

  11. #12566

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    Officer suggests Ocasio-Cortez should be shot, after he read fake news on Facebook

    by Alex Horton July 22 at 9:33 AM

    It was not clear from his Facebook post whether police officer Charlie Rispoli knew he was responding to fake news when he suggested Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) should be shot.

    “This vile idiot needs a round........and I don’t mean the kind she used to serve,” Rispoli, a 14-year veteran of the Gretna Police Department in Louisiana, said Thursday, referring to a gunshot and the lawmaker’s earlier career as a bartender, the Times-Picayune/the New Orleans Advocate reported.

    The post, which appears to have been deleted along with Rispoli’s Facebook account, comes amid a reckoning with racist and violent social media posts by police and federal law enforcement officers. As posts have been made public, firings and investigations have followed across multiple departments.


    Rispoli’s comment was made in response to a post on a self-described satirical page,, with the headline “Ocasio-Cortez on the Budget: ‘We Pay Soldiers Too Much.’ ”

    Gretna Police Chief Arthur Lawson did not respond to a request for comment. In an interview, he called Rispoli’s comment “disturbing” and probably in violation of department social media policies, but he stopped short of describing it as a threat.

    “I will tell you this: This will not go unchecked,” Lawson told the Times-Picayune/Advocate. “I’m not going to take this lightly and this will be dealt with on our end. It’s not something we want someone that’s affiliated with our department to make these types of statements. That’s not going to happen.”

    Belinda Constant, the Democratic mayor of Gretna, a city of about 18,000 outside New Orleans, did not reply to a request for comment. Nor did any of the four city council members. Rispoli could not be reached for comment.

    Eva Malecki, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Capitol Police, declined to say whether the agency viewed the posting as a threat. “We do not discuss how we carry out our protective responsibilities for Congress,” she said. A spokesman for Ocasio-Cortez did not respond to a request for comment.

    Police officers nationwide have faced waves of scrutiny following investigations of social media posts by 3,500 current and former police officers published by the nonprofit Plain View Project. In Philadelphia alone, 72 officers were pulled from street duty. The department plans to fire 13 of them for violent, racist and homophobic posts.

    Rispoli’s comments appear to be on his page marked for friends and friends of friends only. It was not clear how his comments circulated.

    Lawson told the Times-Picayune/Advocate that his department is investigating Rispoli’s comments, although disciplinary actions, if any, will not be made public.

    “Whether you agree or disagree with the message of these elected officials and how frustrated you may or may not get, this certainly is not the type of thing that a public servant should be posting,” Lawson said.

    Morgan Krakow contributed to this report.
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

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    This will not stop until a representative gets shot or something.
    Oh, wait. Gabby Gifford. My bad. It will simply not stop.
    Missing winter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    This will not stop until a representative gets shot or something.
    Oh, wait. Gabby Gifford. My bad. It will simply not stop.
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

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