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  1. #12301

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    “I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this,” she said of Mr. Trump. “I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”
    Where was the follow up question? Who are the people "He needs to be hurting"?
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

  2. #12302

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ti-Amie View Post
    Where was the follow up question? Who are the people "He needs to be hurting"?
    You beat me to it. This is what Trumpians voted for: not proper government, not proper management of a country, not to MAGA. They voted for revenge, they voted to make sure that the things done by "The N in the White House" (and you know they called him that) were undone.
    Not a thought to Tiny's superbly documented incompetence was ever given. So now, play the reverse revenge game: You wanted this baboon for president? You got it. Deal with it.
    Starry starry night

  3. #12303

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    JANUARY 09, 2019 8:04am PT by Rick Porter

    TV Ratings: Democrats' Response to Trump Speech Outdraws President in Early Numbers

    Trump's televised Oval Office address on immigration Tuesday drew a big audience. The response from Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer drew a slightly bigger audience, at least according to preliminary figures.

    The quarter hour (9-9:15 p.m. ET) containing the president's speech drew a combined 28.1 household rating in metered markets on ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC, CNN, Fox News and NBC. The following 15 minutes, including analysis and the Pelosi-Schumer rebuttal, averaged 29.3 across those same networks, a bump of about 4 percent.

    Complete ratings for the speech and response will be available later in the day.

    CBS had the biggest audience among broadcast networks for the speech and rebuttal with just over 8 million tuning in, pending updates. NBC drew 7 million, ABC 4.43 million and Fox 2.56 million.

    The news coverage scrambled regular primetime programming. The season premiere of Ellen's Game of Games on NBC led regular programming in adults 18-49 with a 1.5, off a fair amount from its 2.0 average last season. Following a partial Game of Games rerun after the speech, New Amsterdam returned with a 1.0, down slightly from its last airing in late November.

    The Conners (1.4) returned steady for ABC, and The Kids Are Alright ticked up to 1.0. ABC pushed the rest of its lineup back to accommodate the news coverage, so figures for Black-ish (currently 0.7), Splitting Up Together (0.7) and The Rookie (0.6) are subject to change.

    CBS' NCIS scored a 1.2, off 0.1 from its last episode in December; reruns took up the rest of the evening. Fox's Lethal Weapon held steady at 0.7, while The Gifted rose a little bit to 0.6, pending updates for its later start time.
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

  4. #12304

    Re: Politics Random Random

    If 'Murica begins to gauge the importance of a political speech by its TV ratings, well, why does that seem to me to be the wrong way?
    Starry starry night

  5. #12305

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    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    If 'Murica begins to gauge the importance of a political speech by its TV ratings, well, why does that seem to me to be the wrong way?
    I put this here and not in the "Entertainment" thread because it's very rare for people to turn away from a channel once they've tuned in to it. If I tuned into CBS to watch NCIS or Bull, and this came on I'd probably mute the sound, go get a snack, or whatever until it was over.

    It seems that in this case people actively turned away and turned back to watch Chuck and Nancy. I'm not in the entertainment business but that is a major change in herd behavior by television viewers.
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

  6. #12306

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    Josh Marshall
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    My God. You HAVE to watch this. The 'national cannabis summit' with John Boehner. Free to join and learn how you too can become a cannabis millionaire! It's like Blunt University from the former Speaker.
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

  7. #12307

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    Pelosi asks Trump to postpone State of the Union address because of government shutdown — or deliver it in writing

    By John Wagner , Erica Werner and Robert Costa January 16 at 1:12 PM

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Wednesday asked President Trump to postpone his State of the Union address — or deliver it in writing — citing security concerns related to the partial federal government shutdown.

    The suggestion, which could deny Trump an opportunity to make his case for border wall funding in a prime-time televised address, came as White House officials were urging Republican senators to hold off on signing a bipartisan letter that would call for an end to the government shutdown, now in its 26th day.

    In a letter to Trump, Pelosi said the U.S. Secret Service and the Department of Homeland Security, both of which have key responsibilities for planning and implementing security at the scheduled Jan. 29 address in the House chamber, have been “hamstrung” by furloughs.

    “Sadly, given the security concerns and unless government re-opens this week, I suggest that we work together to determine another suitable date after government has re-opened for this address or for you to consider delivering your State of the Union address in writing to the Congress on January 29th,” Pelosi wrote in the letter.

    The White House had no immediate response.

    State of the Union addresses are traditionally made to a joint session of Congress in the House chamber at the invitation of the House speaker. The House and Senate must pass a resolution to formalize the invitation — which has not happened yet this year.

    Pelosi later told reporters that her letter was intended as a suggestion and that she was not rescinding an invitation for Trump to speak. She stressed that no address had ever been delivered during a government shutdown.

    “We would have the president of the United States, the vice president of the United States, the entire Congress of the United States, the House and Senate, the Supreme Court, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Cabinet of the United States, and the diplomatic corps all in the same room,” she said. “This requires hundreds of people working on the logistics and security of it. Most of those people are either furloughed or victims of president’s shutdown. ... The point is security.”

    Pelosi added that Trump is welcome to deliver an address from the Oval Office.

    House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) responded on Twitter, suggesting Democrats were trying to deny Trump an opportunity to make his case to the nation.

    “#ShutdownNancy shut down the government, and now #SOTU. What are Democrats afraid of Americans hearing? That 17,000+ criminals were caught last year at the border? 90% of heroin in the US comes across the southern border? Illegal border crossings dropped 90%+ in areas w/ a wall?” he wrote.

    There was still confusion Wednesday afternoon over the practical implications of Pelosi’s letter, fueled in part by a television appearance by House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.).

    “The State of the Union is off,” Hoyer said during a CNN interview.

    Aides later said he had misspoken.

    “Mr. Hoyer had not read Speaker Pelosi’s letter and mischaracterized it,” Hoyer spokeswoman Katie Grant said.

    The House planned another vote Wednesday to reopen the government without funding Trump’s wall, this time on a stopgap spending bill through Feb. 8.

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) once again rejected this tactic in a Senate floor speech Wednesday, saying: “As the White House has made clear just yesterday, cherry-picking continuing resolutions that fail to address the border security crisis are not going to receive the president’s signature. Not going to. The only way out of this impasse is a bipartisan agreement.”

    Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) responded to McConnell’s remarks with his own floor speech saying: “I would say to the leader very simply, you may disagree with us, open the government. Open the government. You can do it, Leader McConnell. And all your blaming and flailing isn’t going to open the government. We all know Donald Trump is the obstacle here.”

    Meanwhile, senior White House officials were trying to tamp down any signs of division among Republicans as Trump remained unyielding in his demand for $5.7 billion in border wall funding.

    A copy of a draft bipartisan letter in the Senate obtained by The Washington Post asks Trump to allow the government to reopen for three weeks “to give Congress time to develop and vote on a bipartisan agreement that addresses your request.”

    “We commit to working to advance legislation that can pass the Senate with substantial bipartisan support,” the three-paragraph letter says. “This would include debating and voting on investments on the Southern border that are necessary, effective, and appropriate to accomplish that goal.”

    In calls to GOP senators placed after word of the letter became public late Tuesday, Vice President Pence and White House senior adviser Jared Kushner made clear that the president is unwavering and would not support the letter’s call to reopen the government, despite mounting concerns about the political cost of the shutdown for his party, according to a White House aide and three congressional officials who were not authorized to speak about the private discussions.

    “The president sees this as a capitulation, and he’s not going to walk away,” the White House aide said.

    But two other White House officials said Pence and Kushner have spoken carefully in these exchanges, knowing that the Senate may ultimately decide to act even if Trump is opposed to reopening the government.

    “They’re not going to meddle, but they’re checking in and updating, reconfirming where the president’s thinking is at,” said one official familiar with the message delivered by Pence and Kushner.

    Trump’s aversion to reopening the government was echoed by several conservative senators on Wednesday, who expressed skepticism about the moderates’ ability to convince Trump and congressional Democratic leaders to reopen the government.

    “It’s not the time to kick this down the road,” Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) said of the prospect of opening the government up and keeping talks about border security ongoing. “Apparently this draft has some support, but it’s the leadership that’ll decide what to do.”

    Still, the moderates are moving fast to break open the stalled negotiations. The letter is being drafted by senators who took part in a bipartisan meeting earlier this week aimed at finding a way out of the shutdown.

    Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), an ally of McConnell, said early Wednesday that he intended to sign the letter but the timing and other signers remained in flux, reflecting a desire even among allies of the leadership to break away from Trump’s position.

    “I see it as a solution,” Alexander said of the letter.

    Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), who has been urging Trump to reopen the government, said, “We just have to demonstrate that there’s more than a couple people that want to do this.”

    Murkowski added, “We’ve got to get the president to support it. Without that, we’re still stumbling along.”

    Schumer is being regularly briefed on the bipartisan group’s activities and the count of senators on the letter, aides and lawmakers said, and has encouraged the group to pressure McConnell to act.

    Other senators involved in the group include Republican Sens. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), Susan Collins (Maine), Rob Portman (Ohio), plus Democratic Sens. Joe Manchin III (W.Va.), Christopher A. Coons (Del.), Kyrsten Sinema (Ariz.).

    A top aide to a GOP senator said they were encouraging others to sign the letter on Wednesday as a show of force and a “message to Trump to take it seriously.”

    Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.), the GOP whip, said he “respected” the group’s attempt to broker a compromise but that the president and leadership would ultimately decide how to proceed.

    The new effort among some senators came as Trump met with a group of House Democrats and moderate House Republicans from the bipartisan “Problem Solvers” caucus.

    Unlike Tuesday, when Democrats rejected a meeting called by the White House, seven Democrats planned to attend Wednesday, but their goal, they said, was not to negotiate with Trump but rather to share the Democratic perspective.

    In a joint statement before the meeting, the Democrats, including four freshman, said a conversation on finding common ground on border security “can only begin in earnest once the government is reopened.”

    In a statement after the meeting, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Trump and his team “had a constructive meeting” with the group.

    “They listened to one another and now both have a good understanding of what the other wants. We look forward to more conversations like this,” Sanders said.

    Earlier Wednesday, Trump lashed out on Twitter at Democrats as “a Party of open borders and crime” and pointed to a surge in construction of border walls by other countries as the standoff continued.

    “It is becoming more and more obvious that the Radical Democrats are a Party of open borders and crime,” Trump said in one tweet. “They want nothing to do with the major Humanitarian Crisis on our Southern Border.”

    He added “#2020!” — an apparent reference to a previous contention that Democrats are trying to prevent him from fulfilling a marquee campaign promise in an effort to hurt his reelection prospects.

    Mike DeBonis and Paul Kane contributed to this report.

    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

  8. #12308

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    I had no idea the Speaker invites the POTUS to the joint session of Congress for the SOTU address. This is why Mrs. Pelosi as Speaker of the House is invaluable. If some wet behind the ears member had indeed become Speaker I doubt if she/he would have known this power existed and/or how to use it.
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

  9. #12309

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    Robert Shrum
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    SOTU was delivered in writing from Jefferson until Woodrow Wilson.
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

  10. #12310

    Re: Politics Random Random

    Despite what the headlines say, Pelosi is not asking.

    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

  11. #12311

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    Ask him to deliver it in his own HAND writing. I would put money he cannot write more than basic sentences.
    Starry starry night

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    Re: Politics Random Random

    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    Ask him to deliver it in his own HAND writing. I would put money he cannot write more than basic sentences.
    Odd Sidebar: I have always thought 45 has striking penmanship. Of course, that's just his signature on official documents, personal notes, and the like.

  13. #12313

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    Trump is fraying nerves inside the Pentagon
    By Barbara Starr, CNN Pentagon Correspondent
    Updated 12:13 PM ET, Thu January 17, 2019

    Putting military in political theater

    ...there is growing concern among Pentagon officials that Trump will continue trying to use the military as a tool for his own political gain. Of particular concern is his use of partisan rhetoric in front of military audiences— essentially making troops part of his 2020 campaign.
    The latest and most explicit public example came Thursday during a speech the President gave at the Pentagon on missile defense, which was laden with partisan references to the border wall and the government shutdown.

    Trump blamed what he called Democratic "fringe" party members, who he equated to "the radical left," for a lack of progress toward reopening the government amid negotiations surrounding the border wall. "While many Democrats in the House and Senate would like to make a deal, (House) Speaker (Nancy) Pelosi will not let them negotiate," Trump said. "The party has been hijacked by the open borders fringe within the party. The radical left becoming the radical Democrats."

    As Trump made these comments, the room remained silent with no applause. One military official told CNN afterward that it would have been outside the military norms to react to those remarks because of their partisan nature.

    Military personnel under regulations are not permitted to participate in political events. But one officer said a 'gray area' appears to be emerging where Trump blows past historical norms, setting up situations imbued with politics. In Thanksgiving holiday phone calls to troops, Trump complained about hot-button political issues such as immigration, federal judges and trade, telling one Coast Guard officer he called that "every nation in the world is taking advantage of us."

    During his recent trip to Iraq and Germany, the President engaged with troops by signing red hats emblazoned with his "Make America Great Again" campaign slogan. Military and administration officials insisted it was permissible because the hats were personal items the troops brought to the event. But at the first stop in Iraq, the assembled troops had not been told the President was coming so it's unclear how they knew to bring the hats, or whether they were provided for them, one source said.

    White House press secretary Sarah Sanders told CNN the hats were personal items brought by the troops in Iraq and Germany. Sanders said the White House did not distribute them.

    General Joseph Dunford, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has not spoken specifically in public about Trump politicizing the military but has repeatedly spoken about the ethos of a non-political military force.
    The President has had top officials, including his former chief of staff retired Marine Corps General John Kelly, remind him not to involve the military in politics. But there is no evidence he has listened, and with Kelly having resigned in December, there is concern among Pentagon officials that the problem will get worse.

    "The President is attempting to portray the military as being on his side," said Mark Hertling, a retired Lieutenant General and a CNN military analyst. "The way the President speaks carries an assumption that the military supports everything he is doing. And that's harmful in several ways."

    For starters, says Hertling, it threatens to normalize what has for generations been seen as inappropriate behavior toward the armed forces from the executive branch. It could also erode the trust Americans have in the military for being immune to politics.

    All of this could make it easier for the next president to do the same and potentially even more.
    Hertling, who retired from the Army in 2013 after a 37 year career in which he rose to serve as the Commanding General of U.S. Army Europe, says he has heard similar concerns about Trump from active duty and retired senior officers, particularly after some 5,000 active duty troops were sent to the border in November to defend against what the President called "an invasion" of asylum seekers from Central America. "You had a lot of soldiers saying 'Why are we doing this? How come the generals aren't standing up for us and saying this is a dumb mission?"

    Troops were supposed to return from the border at the end of this month, but on Monday night the Pentagon extended the mission through September 30, 2019.

    Dismay over Mattis

    Some Pentagon officials are also dismayed over the way the President handled the departure of former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, who resigned on Dec. 20 in protest over Trump's decision to withdraw troops from Syria. During a Jan. 2 Cabinet meeting, Trump said that he'd "essentially" fired Mattis over a lack of results in Afghanistan.

    In recent weeks, Trump has also gone after retired four-star general Stanley McChrystal and Navy Seal Admiral William McRaven, two highly respected officers, who have been critical of Trump's character. Some officials say his subsequent attacks on them are only more unsettling to the rank and file.

    Impulsive behavior

    Early on many military officers were hopeful about Trump. It appeared he was willing to give the military more autonomy and not micromanage as many troops felt President Barack Obama had done. But they also learned their new commander in chief was impulsive. One of the earliest indications was when he suddenly, via a tweet, said the military would no longer accept transgender persons in the services. It led to immediate court challenges and a months' long review by the Pentagon.

    Trump also suddenly said he would stop large scale training exercises on the Korean peninsula, something commanders behind the scenes were not ready for. But even as examples have built up over the last two years, it's what has happened in the last two months or so that is driving the conversation inside the ranks.

    With the 2020 campaign cycle approaching, the fundamental concern is the military is being used to veer into partisan territory. This may mean that Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan and General Mark Milley, who Trump has picked to be the next chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, will be the ones having to keep the Defense Department out of politics. Both men are already critically aware of that challenge, officials say

    Across the board, the military historically is well aware that every president uses the armed forces to underscore their own power and role as commander in chief on the world stage. But Trump's impulsive and partisan statements are fundamentally different these personnel say. "We are not a voting bloc for any president," one senior military officer told CNN.

    This story has been updated to include political comments President Trump made at the Pentagon on Thursday.
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

  14. #12314

    Re: Politics Random Random

    Active Measures

    Bernie was the one Democrat not to vote to keep sanctions on Deripaska (he also voted against Russia sanctions and Magnitsky). @SenSanders won’t stand up to billionaires in Russia and he wants you to to believe he’ll stand up to them in America.
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

  15. #12315

    Re: Politics Random Random

    Quote Originally Posted by Ti-Amie View Post
    Despite what the headlines say, Pelosi is not asking.


    The rejoinder

    Can he do that?
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

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