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    Re: Supreme Court Watch 2010-2011

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    That was kind of the story on Sotomayor at the time of her nomination though. No one ever said she was judicial whiz. From what I remember, she was considered an average scholar of the law, but Obama wanted to diversify the court with a Hispanic and her record seemed safest to get through the nomination hearings. (Aside: I'm very curious about the Scalia/Sotomayor relationship. If you ever listen to recordings of oral arguments, it's amazing how often he seems to purposely interrupt or speak over her.)
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    I think my surprise is more that Tribe would put something like that in writing, JJ. They have to travel in similar circles. And Tribe is still active with both the Department of Justice ( hevleads a task force on access to the judiciary for the poor), and with Harvard appellate clinics, so there is a good chance he could have matters come before the Court.

    Scalia/Sotomayor's relationship hasn't really been written on, that I know of. But Nino's closest friend on the court is Ruth. And he took Elena to his gun club last week, and the two of them did some skeet shooting. So I would be surprised to learn that they have issues outside of the bench, as he seems to get along with everyone away from the SC.
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    I think my surprise is more that Tribe would put something like that in writing, JJ. They have to travel in similar circles. And Tribe is still active with both the Department of Justice ( hevleads a task force on access to the judiciary for the poor), and with Harvard appellate clinics, so there is a good chance he could have matters come before the Court.

    Scalia/Sotomayor's relationship hasn't really been written on, that I know of. But Nino's closest friend on the court is Ruth. And he took Elena to his gun club last week, and the two of them did some skeet shooting. So I would be surprised to learn that they have issues outside of the bench, as he seems to get along with everyone away from the SC.
    Everything that I read about the long 1994-2005 era of the Rehnquist Court indicates that it was a very amicable environment. Stevens and Souter seem to have bonded as outsiders, Ginsberg and Scalia as an opposites attract odd couple, and Rehnquist and O'Connor as old friends from Stanford.

    In every interview I've ever seen with Scalia, he comes across as exceptionally charming, so his popularity among his colleagues doesn't surprise me. But one thing that adds to my curiosity about his relationship with Sotomayor is that he's known for his bullish attitude (which most of them seem to find endearing), and Sotomayor, from what they say, was somewhat of a bully on the bench herself. Unfortunately, as we cannot see the interactions, this is just my mind at work based on what I hear.

    For that same reason, you'd never know Thomas was there at all if not for the drawings.

    I'd agree with you that Tribe was crazy to have ever committed his ideas to paper. Especially given the amount of leaks coming out of this White House.
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    Re: Supreme Court Watch 2010-2011

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    Everything that I read about the long 1994-2005 era of the Rehnquist Court indicates that it was a very amicable environment. Stevens and Souter seem to have bonded as outsiders, Ginsberg and Scalia as an opposites attract odd couple, and Rehnquist and O'Connor as old friends from Stanford.

    In every interview I've ever seen with Scalia, he comes across as exceptionally charming, so his popularity among his colleagues doesn't surprise me. But one thing that adds to my curiosity about his relationship with Sotomayor is that he's known for his bullish attitude (which most of them seem to find endearing), and Sotomayor, from what they say, was somewhat of a bully on the bench herself. Unfortunately, as we cannot see the interactions, this is just my mind at work based on what I hear.

    For that same reason, you'd never know Thomas was there at all if not for the drawings.

    I'd agree with you that Tribe was crazy to have ever committed his ideas to paper. Especially given the amount of leaks coming out of this White House.
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    Pretty fascinating argument, which shows how, while we often divide the court by liberal/conservative views, some issues are a little harder to define. Decision will likely come this spring.

    Supreme Court Split on Video Games

    Video-game violence seems to have split the Supreme Court down unusual lines on Tuesday. Conservative and liberal judges allied with each other as they debated a California law forbidding the sale of violent video games to minors. Justice Stephen Breyer and Chief Justice John Roberts found themselves on the same side, both seeming to agree that if pornography can be banned, so can violent games. Justice Antonin Scalia, though, argued that while depictions of sex can be banned, depictions of violence haven’t been, an appeal to history mocked by Justice Alito, normally Scalia’s conservative ally. Video games "are a new medium not envisioned at the time of the founding," said Alito, and therefore an appeal to the framers of the Constitution "is entirely artificial." Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor came to Scalia’s defense, Sotomayor asking whether the law could ban rap music because the lyrics "talk about killing people." Justices Anthony Kennedy and Elena Kagan questioned both sides without revealing which side they support. It may be several months before the court comes to a decision.

    Full story from the LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,7315938.story
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    Re: Supreme Court Watch 2010-2011

    What is the definition of a "violent" video game? I don't know how one begins to define that. Shooting a deer? Shooting a person?

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    Re: Supreme Court Watch 2010-2011

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    What is the definition of a "violent" video game? I don't know how one begins to define that. Shooting a deer? Shooting a person?
    From the LA Times article, Dry:

    Chief Justice John G. Roberts ... cit[ed] scenes from the game " Postal 2" in which girls are smashed in the face with a shovel and their bodies set on fire
    Zachery Morazzini, the deputy state attorney general for California...said the state law focuses on video games in which the player can kill or maim a lifelike figure of an innocent human being.
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    Re: Supreme Court Watch 2010-2011

    Quote Originally Posted by dryrunguy View Post
    What is the definition of a "violent" video game? I don't know how one begins to define that. Shooting a deer? Shooting a person?
    You must not play many video games.

    Thanks to Tipper Gore, everything's got a rating these days, including video games. I think that the purpose of this law is to forbid items rated "M" to be sold to minors. To me it's no different than having to be 17+ to see a film that's rated R. Although in the case of the latter, it's typically sex and not violence that earns a heavier rating.
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    You must not play many video games.

    Thanks to Tipper Gore, everything's got a rating these days, including video games. I think that the purpose of this law is to forbid items rated "M" to be sold to minors. To me it's no different than having to be 17+ to see a film that's rated R. Although in the case of the latter, it's typically sex and not violence that earns a heavier rating.
    I don't think this is actually a law. I think theater owners voluntarily agree to follow the MPAA's film rating recommendations (which are, honestly, sometimes pretty ridiculous). I'm all for theaters and retailers being vigilant about this (although I was pissed when my theater wouldn't let me see Mulholland Drive when I was 16), but I don't know how I feel about it becoming a law. I'm leaning against the idea.
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    Re: Supreme Court Watch 2010-2011

    I think it's a sad testament to human evolution that we even have to consider laws about video games depicting violence against people.

    I'm feeling philosophical today.
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    I don't think this is actually a law. I think theater owners voluntarily agree to follow the MPAA's film rating recommendations (which are, honestly, sometimes pretty ridiculous). I'm all for theaters and retailers being vigilant about this (although I was pissed when my theater wouldn't let me see Mulholland Drive when I was 16), but I don't know how I feel about it becoming a law. I'm leaning against the idea.
    I'm just a bit of a prude (I couldn't bring myself to type 'social conservative') on these types of issues. Even though I know they'll find access to these types of things regardless, I just don't believe they should be open to minors. Particularly these videos games, where I think the lawyers for the state make a good point. It's especially offensive when you consider that whoever's playing the game takes an active part in the violence, virtual reality or no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by munchin View Post
    I don't think this is actually a law. I think theater owners voluntarily agree to follow the MPAA's film rating recommendations (which are, honestly, sometimes pretty ridiculous). I'm all for theaters and retailers being vigilant about this (although I was pissed when my theater wouldn't let me see Mulholland Drive when I was 16), but I don't know how I feel about it becoming a law. I'm leaning against the idea.
    Yup, MPAA came up wit the ratings system to stymie government interference and censorship. As such they are not laws. Without the MPAA system, each state could come with a different rating system and would make movie distribution that much more difficult (if not impossible) with studios potentially having to get 50 different ratings, and potentially 50 different edits of the same film to appease each individual state ratings board.

    Still, there is plenty we don't expose young people to for their own sake, so limiting the sale of violent video games is fine with me.
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    Re: Supreme Court Watch 2010-2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Moose View Post
    From the LA Times article, Dry:
    But here's my confusion. Would, for example, PETA be able to use this (if it passes) as a precedent for outlawing the sale of video games that depict killing animals to minors? I'm confused about where the line gets originally drawn, and where it could then move based on agenda.

    I don't know. I see this from a variety of angles.

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    I'm just a bit of a prude (I couldn't bring myself to type 'social conservative') on these types of issues. Even though I know they'll find access to these types of things regardless, I just don't believe they should be open to minors. Particularly these videos games, where I think the lawyers for the state make a good point. It's especially offensive when you consider that whoever's playing the game takes an active part in the violence, virtual reality or no.
    I guess I just feel like it's all so futile. Sure, they prohibit the kids from buying the games, but they're certainly still open to minors. Their parents will buy it for them, or they'll play them at their friends' house or they'll get it off Ebay or they'll download it. But then the voice in the back of my head says, "well then maybe we should let kids buy alcohol" because any kid with any kind of resourcefulness can get it anyway. I dunno how I feel I guess. But I immediately react negatively to things that potentially limit the first amendment without really conclusive evidence saying it's necessary.
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    If we go back to Dry's idea of certifying people before their allowed to be parents, a lot of these decisions wouldn't be unnecessary.

    I wonder if there's any data relating minors playing violent video games and having a propensity towards violence?
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    If we go back to Dry's idea of certifying people before their allowed to be parents, a lot of these decisions wouldn't be unnecessary.

    I wonder if there's any data relating minors playing violent video games and having a propensity towards violence?
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