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  1. #8506

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    Quote Originally Posted by ponchi101 View Post
    Or Argentina's upcoming elections need a bit of a shake up so the Russians are seeding discontent among the electorate. I would bet that the Russians would really prefer Cristina to be back in power as opposed to a pro-American Maccri.
    But the outage was too short during the early hours of a Sunday. The discontent meter barely moved. There are however 4 provinces that are holding Governor elections today... so there's that.
    Meet again we do, old foe...

  2. #8507

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    LBC Breaking @lbcbreaking·15m
    State TV says Egypt's ousted president Mohammed Morsi has collapsed and died during a court session.

  3. #8508

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatingfan View Post
    LBC Breaking @lbcbreaking·15m
    State TV says Egypt's ousted president Mohammed Morsi has collapsed and died during a court session.
    We live in a world where an announcement like this makes one immediately wonder if he had some kind of radioactive element as part of his regular diet and not that a man collapsed under extreme stress.
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

  4. #8509

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    Standoff with Iran exposes Trump’s credibility issue as some allies seek more proof of tanker attack

    By Carol Morello , Kareem Fahim and Simon Denyer June 16 at 5:21 PM

    As U.S. allies pressed the Trump administration for more concrete evidence linking Iran to attacks on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Sunday that additional proof will be forthcoming.

    Japan and Germany have requested stronger evidence than the grainy video released by the Pentagon appearing to show an Iranian patrol boat removing from one of the ships an item said to be an unexploded mine.

    Pompeo said in appearances on CBS’s “Face the Nation” and “Fox News Sunday” that he had spent much of the weekend talking with his counterparts in foreign capitals. It was an implicit acknowledgment that he has work to do convincing the world the U.S. accusations against Iran, which has denied responsibility for the suspicious explosions last week, are indeed, as Pompeo put it, “indisputable” and “unmistakable.”

    “There is no doubt,” he said on “Fox News Sunday.” “The intelligence community has lots of data, lots of evidence. The world will come to see much of it, but the American people should rest assured we have high confidence with respect to who conducted these attacks as well as half a dozen other attacks throughout the world over the past 40 days.”

    Last week’s tanker attacks have laid bare a credibility problem burdening the Trump administration as it faces skepticism, especially from wary U.S. allies urging “maximum restraint” to avoid a spiraling confrontation between the United States and Iran.

    Pompeo bristled at the suggestion that the U.S. conclusion was under question, including German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas’s request for more information because the video was “not enough.”

    “The German foreign minister has seen a great deal more than just that video,” Pompeo said on CBS. “He will continue to see more.”

    Pompeo said some countries “just wish this would go away.” But he called it a fundamental right of every country to travel through the international waters of the Strait of Hormuz, which he said Iran is attempting to deny.

    “I am confident that as we continue to develop the fact pattern, countries around the world will not only accept the basic facts, which I think are indisputable, but will come to understand that this is an important mission for the world,” he said.

    But the uncertainty has persisted. Some is rooted in a suspicion of...Trump, who has made numerous misleading statements in the past. Some is focused on the national security adviser, John Bolton, who advocated the 2003 invasion of Iraq on the faulty assertion that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

    And some skepticism is aimed at Pompeo. In laying out a litany of Iran’s behavior in recent weeks, Pompeo said Tehran was behind a May 31 car bomb in Kabul as a U.S. convoy was passing, lightly injuring four U.S. service members and killing four Afghans. The Taliban claimed responsibility for that. But Pompeo said the Taliban claim should not be believed.

    “We have confidence that Iran instigated this attack,” he said Sunday when asked about the discrepancy, adding, “I wouldn’t have said it if the intelligence community hadn’t become convinced that this was the case.”


    Aaron David Miller, a former State Department official now with the Wilson Center, said Pompeo is attempting to build a case to get international support so the United States would not have to act alone if it responds. Many European allies believe the Trump administration started this cycle of escalation by pulling out of the nuclear deal with Iran last year.

    Questions about the U.S. account of what happened to the two oil tankers have swirled since Japanese shipping heads said the Kokuka Courageous was hit by a “flying object,” not a mine, as the U.S. video suggested.


    In a story published Sunday by the Saudi-owned Asharq al-Awsat newspaper, the crown prince did not offer new evidence of Iran’s culpability in the tanker attacks, according to a transcript of his interview. Saudi Arabia views Iran as its principal adversary in the Middle East, and the Saudis, along with the United Arab Emirates and Israel, have been key supporters of the Trump administration’s “maximum pressure” strategy against the Iranian government.

    But Germany’s foreign minister said the video was insufficient to make a final assessment of blame.

    The Japanese government is similarly unconvinced, according to Japanese media reports that Tokyo has asked Washington for concrete evidence to back its conclusion Iran is responsible.

    “The U.S. explanation has not helped us go beyond speculation,” a senior government official told Japan Today.

    Similar demands for “credible” proof have been made by a senior European Union foreign policy adviser and by Jeremy Corbyn, who is a leading member of Britain’s Parliament.

    Taken together, the remarks represent an extraordinary display of refusal to take the administration’s assertions at face value.


    Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.), who heads the House Intelligence Committee, called the evidence “very strong and compelling.”

    But he expressed concern about the influence of Pompeo and Bolton, both longtime hawks on Iran. Schiff, also appearing on CBS, agreed that Trump wants to avoid war in the Middle East but said “his people, and I don’t know whether [that] is Pompeo or Bolton or both, seem to be taking actions to undercut that ambition to stay out of war.”

    Fahim reported from Istanbul, and Denyer reported from Tokyo. Elise Viebeck and Felicia Sonmez in Washington contributed to this report.
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

  5. #8510

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    My late mother's mantra was "your word is your bond". When you constantly lie about any and everything you get a situation like this.

    I guess none of these people ever read "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" as children.
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drop-shot View Post
    48 million without electicity as massive blackout leaves Argentina and Uruguay in the dark

    Time for the hyperactive mind to go in full conspiracy mode:
    a) hackers
    b) China/Russia/insert other world power are trying out their cyber attack techniques

    I know China and Russia love to hack electrical grids, but did you know the US does too?

    The placement of the malware that deep within the Russian grid had never previously been attempted, the Times reports, and is intended partly as a warning and also to put the US in a position to conduct cyber attacks should a significant conflict arise with Russia.

    Two administration officials told the Times they believed President Donald Trump had not been briefed in any detail about the US computer code being implanted inside the Russian grid.

    (It was probably domestic)

  7. #8512

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    I fell down a Brexit rabbit hole:

    Nick Macpherson

    Time to relax about "no deal" and take the long view: either it will be the nirvana Messrs Mogg and Raab claim, or far more likely a chastened PM will be back at the negotiating table in weeks. #freetrade
    David Henig
    David Henig Retweeted Nick Macpherson

    Don't really buy the "UK will be forced back to the negotiating table in the event of no-deal" takes. I suspect the UK would at least for a while go for "very well, alone" instead, particularly where "alone" = with US in particular
    Dmitry Grozoubinski

    More Dmitry Grozoubinski Retweeted David Henig
    1/ I agree with David, the idea that a quick deal with the EU could emerge in the wake of No-Deal because a humiliated UK would limp back to the negotiating table is fanciful.

    I take his points below, but I would that after No-Deal, it's too late to quickly undo the damage.

    2/ The core and central benefit of May's Withdrawal Agreement is the transition period. Two years during which the UK will have withdrawn from the EU but would act and be treated as if it hadn't from a day-to-day trade perspective.

    3/ This transition period gives governments, businesses and consumers a grace period to make adjustments and preparations for Brexit, and for negotiations on the future trading relationship.

    It is absolutely vital, but can't be added retrospectively after No-Deal.

    4/ Once the UK has left the EU under No-Deal, with all the disruption that entails, the EU will not and can not sign an agreement, say, four months later which institutes a transition period.

    It would be utter chaos.

    5/ Without the ability to agree a transition period, any deal to manage the economic fallout of No-Deal and Brexit would by necessity become a negotiation on either an FTA, Customs Union or Single Market Membership.

    Such negotiations are never quick.

    6/ So even in a hypothetical scenario where No-Deal is horrific enough to drive a future UK Prime Minister sprinting to Brussels to beg for immediate negotiations.

    Even if that PM immediately concedes all points of current contention (backstop, Brexit bill)...

    7/ The EU would have no way to make the damage stop because it can't add a transition period once the UK has crashed out... and even the comparatively modest relief of a future relationship trade agreement would still be years away.

    Food for thought.

    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

  8. #8513

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmmm8 View Post
    I know China and Russia love to hack electrical grids, but did you know the US does too?

    (It was probably domestic)
    Of course, that's why I included a third option for all other countries like the US that could qualify.

    If it was domestic, it was incompetence. We'll know in 15 days aprox.
    Meet again we do, old foe...

  9. #8514

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    At this point the UK Parliament needs to pass a No Deal Brexit and move on. End of. Get the divorce papers signed already so both sides can start moving on with their lives.

  10. #8515

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    The UK wants to be friends with benefits with the EU. Their thinking has always been that the EU would, for some reason, go to any lengths to make sure they stay in the Union. Once the EU said don't let the door hit you on the way out their only choice was to make a no deal exit. Not once did Boris Johnson and his pals think about Northern Ireland. His handlers wouldn't even let Boris near the Tory debate the other day because they had no idea what he would do or say.

    The only other alternative is another vote and hope the citizens bail them out of their nonsense and vote remain.

    Boris Johnson shouldn't be allowed to run for dog catcher let alone PM but this mess is his baby and his face should be associated with it.
    "Even if you dance for your enemy on the rock, he will accuse you of splashing water on him." ~ African Proverb

  11. #8516

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    This is the guy that John Oliver talked about last week too.

    An alleged ex-spy is upending Boris Johnson's play for British prime minister

    By Luke McGee

    London (CNN)The race to succeed Theresa May as British Prime Minister is entering its crucial stage. In the next two days, Conservative lawmakers will select two candidates to be paraded in front of the wider party membership for a final decision on who will take on the fateful (and twice fatal) Brexit chalice.

    But something strange has happened. All the attention is not on the rockstar front runner, Boris Johnson, but an insurgent outsider.

    Rory Stewart, the current International Development Secretary, has been the hands down star of this leadership race. Initially scoffed at by Conservative commentators, Stewart, a self-declared centrist who still backs Theresa May's Brexit deal, has seen off five candidates, all of whom stood on much harder Brexit platforms. His campaign has clearly spooked the others, who are seeing some of their supporters defect to Stewart.

    Improbably, on Tuesday he made it through to the next round of voting, winning the support of 37 Conservative members of parliament -- up from 19 in the last round. It was the biggest leap forward of Johnson's remaining rivals.

    On the face of it, Stewart's campaign looked doomed to fail. He was virtually unknown before the contest began, with barely a month's experience in May's Cabinet and a low-profile job as a junior prisons minister before that. Pitching himself as the only candidate telling the truth about Brexit, Stewart says that May's deal with Brussels is the only one any prime minister can realistically secure. He says that candidates claiming they can take the UK out of the EU without a deal are lying — because parliament will not realistically allow them to do it.

    And he openly mocks his rivals "competition of machismo" claims that simply by "believing in Britain" they can get a better Brexit deal. In a live TV debate on Sunday, he likened their claims to trying to fit too much rubbish in a small bin; to merely "believe in the bin" was not enough, he said.

    Stewart has something of an unusual backstory. He is a former diplomat who faces near constant questions as to whether he worked for British intelligence agencies as a spy. In 2002, he traveled across Afghanistan on foot, a dangerous undertaking at a time when the country was still rife with Taliban. His account of the walk became a best-selling book.

    He served as a coalition official in the aftermath of the Iraq war, where he worked resolving tribal disputes among other things.

    Stewart's equally unusual campaigning style has been a hit with the public. Over the past few weeks, he has been publishing videos on social media, visiting areas of the country that don't traditionally vote Conservative. Those videos have gone viral.

    He says he is a pragmatist who can heal divisions in British society by listening to the public. He claims he is proud of the fact that both Labour and Liberal Democrat voters say they would vote for him.

    And while this hasn't gone down well with the group of people that actually will select the next prime minister, the broadly hard-Brexit Conservative membership, popularity outside of this base is central to Stewart's appeal.

    The Conservative party currently heads a minority government. Boris Johnson is trying to pitch himself as the only true Brexit candidate. He wants a new deal or he will leave with no deal. This sort of language might go down well with ultra-Brexiteers, but it's unlikely to win over many people in the center.

    In contrast, Stewart believes that with his wider appeal, he can win a majority for the Conservative party. He believes that Johnson's Brexit promises are nothing short of fantasy and would ultimately result in the UK going back to square one with Brussels, or worse, holding a general election that the Conservatives would lose.

    But before he gets carried away, there are some realities that Stewart will himself need to address sooner or later. While he has cemented his position as the "Stop Boris" candidate, he is still only in fourth place among Conservative lawmakers. That might change and he might attract more support as MPs conclude he is the only real alternative to Boris. But after a somewhat lackluster performance against Johnson in the latest TV debate of the campaign on Tuesday night, he might not.

    The other remaining candidates all, like Johnson, claim that they can get a new deal from Brussels and talk about no deal as a possibility. If they knock Stewart out this week, his pragmatic, centrist approach will be dead.

    And of course, even if he does make the final two, defeating Johnson is an enormous mountain to climb. Johnson currently has more backers than the next three candidates combined.

    Still, the main takeaway from this unusual week in British politics is that halfway through the contest to replace Theresa May, there's no guarantee that Johnson -- or another hardline Brexiteer -- will get the top job.

    As ever with Brexit, everything is fluid.

  12. #8517

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    I'm 95% sure Boris wins if he reaches the final two. He's popular among party members.
    Roger forever

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