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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkus View Post
    Wasn't the Bangladesh collapse due to substandard construction? Isn't the owner or contractor under arrest?
    It was and they are, but I doubt that makes families who lost someone feel all that much better...
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    A rare piece of good news from the Bangladesh building collapse...
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    In a startling development, a woman trapped for 17 days beneath the rubble of a collapsed building on the outskirts of Dhaka was discovered alive on Friday and then rushed to a nearby military hospital after rescuers pulled her free.

    The woman, whose name is Reshma, had apparently been in the basement of the building, possibly in a Muslim prayer room. Rescuers, speaking live on national television from the wreckage site in Savar, said they were clearing debris on Friday afternoon when they saw a pipe moving. It turned out to be Reshma, shaking the pipe from below, trying to gain attention.

    “Save me!” rescuers say they heard her shouting.

    The stunning discovery transformed what had been an especially gloomy day in the recovery effort, as the death toll pushed past 1,000 victims. More than 3,000 people were believed to be working at five clothing factories in the building, Rana Plaza, when it collapsed on the morning of April 24 in what is now considered the worst disaster in the history of the garment industry.

    Reshma’s rescue was broadcast on television across Bangladesh. She was wearing a purple and red salwar kameez as she was removed from the rubble. One of the rescuers, a soldier with the Bangladeshi Army, told television crews that Reshma had discovered food and water that had lasted until two days ago

    Another rescuer, Lieutenant Colonel Moazzem, told Bangladesh’s state news agency that he and another soldier discovered Reshma after cutting a hole to the basement.

    “I told her, ‘Mother, don’t be afraid, we are here to rescue you,’ ” said Colonel Moazzem, according to the agency. “Would you like a drink of water?” He told reporters that Reshma was given saline and biscuits before rescuers removed her from the wreckage.

    Ali Ahmed Khan, director general of the Bangladesh Fire Service, said Reshma was apparently inside a Muslim prayer room, which had oxygen and enough clear space for her to stand up.

    More at: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/wo...toll.html?_r=0
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    Dry, you've probably heard about such things already but "baby factories" specifically established for sale into prostitution, illegal adoptions or ritual sacrifice is a new thing for me.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22484318
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    And sorry for not posting good news... I'll try to find something
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    Quote Originally Posted by suliso View Post
    Dry, you've probably heard about such things already but "baby factories" specifically established for sale into prostitution, illegal adoptions or ritual sacrifice is a new thing for me.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22484318
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    Quote Originally Posted by suliso View Post
    Dry, you've probably heard about such things already but "baby factories" specifically established for sale into prostitution, illegal adoptions or ritual sacrifice is a new thing for me.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22484318
    I hadn't heard about this particular situation, but yes, it's fairly common. And it's only a small part of the global $30+ billion/year human trafficking industry.

    But thank you for making sure I was aware of this. This story will surely get a reaction on my SWWG page. They went completely nuts yesterday over the story I posted about the female barrister in the UK who wants to reduce the age of consent to 13, in order to stop the "persecution of old men," and to stop affording victims anonymity. As a result of their comments, I had to do some emergency googling to find out what FFS means.
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    But thank you for making sure I was aware of this. This story will surely get a reaction on my SWWG page. They went completely nuts yesterday over the story I posted about the female barrister in the UK who wants to reduce the age of consent to 13, in order to stop the "persecution of old men," and to stop affording victims anonymity. As a result of their comments, I had to do some emergency googling to find out what FFS means.
    You are welcome, albeit as I said I would have prefered to report something more sunny! Remind us please what exactly SWWG stand for.

    As for age of consent it would probably be a good idea for you to adopt the average European standart of 14-16. That would help to focus on the real child pornography.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suliso View Post
    It was and they are, but I doubt that makes families who lost someone feel all that much better...
    I wasn't suggesting it would. I'm just trying to understand what happened. If I'm going to feel guilty for buying cheap shoes that are made in 3rd-world countries I want to make sure my guilt is justified.

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    You are welcome, albeit as I said I would have prefered to report something more sunny! Remind us please what exactly SWWG stand for.
    Stop the Worldwide War on Girls. The link is in my signature (along with the sister pages I run--one of which, the one on microlending, is just getting started).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkus View Post
    I wasn't suggesting it would. I'm just trying to understand what happened. If I'm going to feel guilty for buying cheap shoes that are made in 3rd-world countries I want to make sure my guilt is justified.
    A lot of people are calling for boycotts of western retailers that profit on the backs of underpaid workers. I understand that reaction and would certainly advocate for getting them to do something about it. The problem is what that "something" is. If we stop buying clothes from WalMart and JCPenney and so on, we're also hurting the workers who produce them. They may be underpaid, perhaps even below the minimum wage of Bangladesh ($37/month), but even those abysmally low wages allow them to at least barely squeak by. And some Bangladeshi garment factories are getting the point, increasing wages, providing better fire exits, etc. So the western/Bangladesh connection isn't always bad. I did a deep dive into this a few weeks ago, and my mind was swimming from how complicated it is. There are usually numerous layers between a retailer like WalMart and a garment factory like this one, with contracts and subcontracts and subcontracts and more subcontracts. It's intentionally designed that way to help shield western retailers and cloud the paper trail. But all those folks in between and all the way down to some garment factories in the developing world share some responsibility as well. It's so incredibly complicated.
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    GUATEMALA CITY — A Guatemalan court convicted former dictator Efrain Rios Montt on charges of genocide and crimes against humanity on Friday, sentencing him to 80 years in prison, the first such sentence ever handed down against a former Latin American leader.

    It was the state's first official acknowledgment that genocide occurred during the bloody, 36-year civil war, something the current president, retired Gen. Otto Perez Molina, has denied.

    "He knew about everything that was going on and he did not stop it, despite having the power to stop it from being carried out," said Presiding Judge Yassmin Barrios. "Rios Montt is guilty of genocide."

    The 86-year-old former general laughed, talked to his lawyers and listened to the procedures through headphones. When the guilty verdict was announced, the crowded courtroom erupted in cheers. Some women who lost relatives in the massacres wept.

    "Judge, Judge! Restore order!" Rios Montt shouted as cameramen and photographers swarmed him after the verdict was announced.

    A three-judge tribunal issued the verdict after the nearly two-month trial in which dozens of victims testified about horrific atrocities.

    The proceedings suffered ups and downs as the trial was suspended for 12 days amid appeals and at times appeared headed for annulment.

    Survivors and relatives of victims have sought for 30 years to bring punishment for Rios Montt. For international observers and Guatemalans on both sides of the war, the trial could be a turning point in a nation still wrestling with the trauma of a conflict that killed some 200,000 people.

    Matthew Kennis, Amnesty International's chair for Central America-Mexico Coordination Group, said "This is an incredibly important step forward for justice and accountability in Guatemala. Rios Montt being found guilty ... is a significant step forward for justice and accountability."

    Prosecutors said Rios Montt must have had knowledge of the massacres of Mayan Indians when he ruled Guatemala from March 1982 to August 1983 at the height of the country's 36-year civil war. The three-judge panel essentially concluded that the massacres followed the same pattern, showing they had been planned, something that would not be possible without the approval of the military command, which Rios Montt headed.

    Rios Montt had said he never knew of or ordered the massacres while in power. A co-defendant, Jose Mauricio Rodriguez Sanchez, a 68-year-old former general who was a high-ranking member of the military chiefs of staff during Rios Montt's administration, was acquitted.

    The 80-year sentence was somewhat symbolic, given Rios Montt's age and the fact that Guatemala's maximum sentence is 50 years. His lawyers vowed to appeal the ruling.

    "This is an unjust verdict. We already knew they were going to convict him, the general (Rios Montt) even came with his suitcase packed," said defense lawyer Francisco Palomo.

    Indians from ethnic Mayan groups broke into song after the verdict, singing "We only want to be human beings ... to live life, not die it."

    "This is a verdict that is just. This brings justice for the victims, justice for the people of Guatemala," said Edgar Perez of the Association for Justice and Reconciliation, one of the groups that originally brought the criminal complaint against the ex-dictator a dozen years ago.

    The proceedings suffered ups and downs as the trial was suspended for 12 days amid appeals and at times appeared headed for annulment.

    Survivors and relatives of victims have sought for 30 years to bring punishment for Rios Montt. For international observers and Guatemalans on both sides of the war, the trial could be a turning point in a nation still wrestling with the trauma of the conflict, which ended in peace accords in 1996.

    Dozens of victims testified of atrocities. A former soldier directly accused President Perez Molina of ordering pillaging and executions while serving in the military during the Rios Montt regime. Perez Molina called the testimony "lies."

    Ixil Indian Benjamin Geronimo, president of the Justice and Reconciliation Association, told the tribunal during closing arguments Thursday that he survived massacres and killings that claimed the lives of 256 members of his community.

    "I saw it with my own eyes, I'm not going to lie. Children, pregnant women and the elderly were killed," said Geronimo, who spoke on behalf of the victims.

    Rios Montt testified for the first time at his trial Thursday.

    "I declare myself innocent," Rios Montt told the three-judge tribunal as many in the audience applauded. "It was never my intention or my goal to destroy a whole ethnic group."

    Rios Montt seized power in a March 23, 1982, coup, and ruled until he himself was overthrown just over a year later. Prosecutors say that while in power he was aware of, and thus responsible for, the slaughter by subordinates of at least 1,771 Ixil Mayas in San Juan Cotzal, San Gaspar Chajul and Santa Maria Nebaj, towns in the Quiche department of Guatemala's western highlands.

    Those military offensives were part of a brutal, decades-long counterinsurgency against a leftist uprising that brought massacres in the Mayan heartland where the guerrillas were based.

    A U.N. truth commission said state forces and related paramilitary groups were responsible for 93 percent of the killings and human rights violations that it documented, committed mostly against indigenous Maya. Yet until now, only low or middle-level officials have been prosecuted for war atrocities.

    Prosecutors and advocates for victims built their case on thousands of green folders stuffed with military documents, victims' testimony and ballistic and forensic examinations of human remains, mostly women or children.

    The court was packed with representatives of indigenous, human rights and student groups as well as former soldiers and family members of victims.

    Military experts testifying for the victims have said this description of the chain of command makes it obvious that the military chief of staff and other high commanders including Rios Montt could have halted the massacres.

    The Guatemalan Forensic Anthropology Foundation carried out more than 60 studies to identify some 800 sets of human remains from the area that was evidence in the trial, the great majority of victims were women or children who suffered violent deaths.

    Mayas were treated as an internal enemy because they were seen as lending support to the guerrillas, according to the indictment against Rios Montt.

    In Argentina, former dictator Jorge Rafael Videla was convicted in connection with the killing of prisoners and the kidnapping of children during his rule, but he was not tried for genocide.

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    Waleed Hammad dressed conservatively for his secret mission into the world of sexual harassment and abuse on the streets of Cairo, donning a long tan skirt and sleeved shirt, and at times covering his head like many Egyptian women.

    The 24-year-old actor walked the sidewalks, hidden cameras in tow, for an investigative television report, hoping the broadcast would enlighten national debate about how to combat deep-rooted day-to-day sexual harassment and abuse in this patriarchal society.

    Initiatives to counter the problem have mushroomed in recent months. Vigilantes groups have started protecting women at gatherings, particularly at large protests or during national holidays when groping and harassment in crowds is at an all-time high. Activists have offered self-defense classes for women. Social network sites have been started where women can "name and shame" their harassers.

    On the other side of the debate are conservative religious clerics and some government officials who blame women, saying they invite harassment and sexual abuse by mixing with men. Their comments have inflamed the discourse, particularly at a time when Egypt's volatile and polarized politics blur social and political issues following the 2011 uprising that ousted longtime autocrat Hosni Mubarak.

    As he strolled, Hammad, who wore light makeup to conceal hints of facial hair and accentuate his eyes, was hissed at and verbally abused. In one instance — when he was wearing a head veil — he was taken for a prostitute and offered up to 4,000 Egyptian pounds ($575) for one night.

    "I can go wherever I want, do whatever I want very simply, very easily, very casually," Hammad said. "For a woman, it boils down to her having to focus on how she breathes while she is walking. It is not just the walk. It is not just the clothes. It is not what she says or how she looks."

    As a woman walking down the street, "you have to be in a constant state of alertness."

    What Hammad experienced is something Egyptian women endure every day. While not new to Egypt's conservative society, sexual harassment has grown increasingly violent and visible in the nation, which has an embattled police force and an absence of legislation to address it. Egyptian law defines and criminalizes assault, but not sexual harassment.

    "What I learned is that this definitely is not a problem with men only," Hammad said. "It is a problem, a deficiency in the entire society."

    A report last month carried out by a U.N. Women agency, Egypt's Demographic Center, and the National Planning Institute found that more than 99 percent of hundreds of women surveyed in seven of the country's 27 provinces reported experiencing some form of sexual harassment ranging from minor harassment to rape.

    Mozn Hassan, a women rights activist who works with the victims of sexual abuse, said the problem will fester as long as there are no laws to punish harassers, no investigations into violent abuse and the government fails to admit there is a problem.

    This week, at a public meeting to make recommendations to Egyptian President Morsi Mohammed on how to address the problem, Omaima Kamel, presidential adviser on women affairs, said she was seeking realistic statistics on violence against women because she sensed real exaggeration of the numbers reported by some research centers, comments she repeated in media interviews.

    Kamel is a leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood, which emerged as the most powerful political faction in Egypt since the uprising. The group has recently criticized a U.N. document being drafted on violence against women. The Brotherhood said it was "deceitful," clashed with Islamic principles and undermined family values. The Brotherhood said it advocated sexual freedoms for women and the right to abortion "under the guise of sexual and reproductive rights."

    Besides the daily experience of harassment on the streets of Egypt, sexual assaults at anti-government protests, where women have been groped, stripped and even raped, have risen both in number and intensity during the past year of continued unrest in Egypt.

    The United Nations said it had reports of 25 sexual assaults on women at political rallies at Tahrir Square, the center of the uprising, in one week early this year. Operation Anti-Sexual Harassment/Assault, which patrolled the square, reported 19 incidents alone on Jan. 25 — the second anniversary of the start of the uprising — including a case of a teenager raped with a bladed instrument.

    Abuse at political events has emboldened activists who seek change, but the television program wanted to show how all Egyptian women live daily with the fear of being sexually harassed or abused.

    The program was an online hit, shared by thousands of viewers and lauded as brave, creative, and sparked a comparison between Egypt and other Arab countries.

    Lena el-Ghadban, the senior reporter on the program, "Awel el Kheit" or "the Thread" which aired earlier this month on the private TV station ONTV, said the program sought to offer a fresh glimpse into the problem through the eyes of men.

    "We want them to try to feel how women feel about sexual harassment," el-Ghadban said. "If the man sees himself as the victim of sexual harassment maybe this could get him to think, 'What am I doing?'"

    Men interviewed for the program commonly blamed women for dressing or looking in ways that invited sexual harassment. At the same time, they disclosed how men bribed a coffee shop owner to spray water on the pavement so women would be prompted to lift their long conservative dresses.

    They wanted to get a peek at their legs.

    http://news.yahoo.com/egyptian-man-d...190024573.html
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    In societies where a man is free to get his own girlfriend if he is so inclined and not only to look at there is no or very little public abuse of women of the kind described above. I'm just saying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by suliso View Post
    In societies where a man is free to get his own girlfriend if he is so inclined and not only to look at there is no or very little public abuse of women of the kind described above. I'm just saying...
    How are we defining abuse? If we're talking about actual groping, then I'd probably agree. But check out the video at the link below--it's about 1.5 minutes long. When a man persistently asks to buy you a drink even after you've said no several times and then declares you a tramp for rejecting his advances, is that abuse? What about when construction workers whistle at a woman walking by a construction site? Is that abuse? Or is it just rude?

    The "stop street harassment" movement is growing by leaps and bounds in western countries. The message seems to resonate with a lot of women.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...-sofie-peeters
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    Quote Originally Posted by dryrunguy View Post
    How are we defining abuse? If we're talking about actual groping, then I'd probably agree. But check out the video at the link below--it's about 1.5 minutes long. When a man persistently asks to buy you a drink even after you've said no several times and then declares you a tramp for rejecting his advances, is that abuse? What about when construction workers whistle at a woman walking by a construction site? Is that abuse? Or is it just rude?

    The "stop street harassment" movement is growing by leaps and bounds in western countries. The message seems to resonate with a lot of women.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...-sofie-peeters
    Yes for the first and probably no for the second, but in any case it's not in the same ballpark as events described in the article you posted above. I still think what I said in my previous post is very much true
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