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  1. #17266

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    Have had four power bumps... the last one lasted almost an hour. Rain mostly stopped and wind doesn't look too bad still. I drove to nearest Tim's and saw no evidence of any trees down etc...just lots of areas with no power. Looks like it slowed down a lot over night and wound up not a huge deal thankfully.
    A Canadian Slam winner? Inconceivable!

  2. #17267

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    Glad to hear it is just an extraordinary storm, not a hurricane. Keep safe and dry (on the outside...)
    Face it. It's the apocalypse.

  3. #17268

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    For NYC this is also the result of Bloomberg's real estate initiatives.

    Progressives Defeat Brooklyn Project That Promised 20,000 Jobs
    The developers behind Industry City abandoned a rezoning proposal after progressive leaders raised concerns about gentrification

    By Emma G. Fitzsimmons
    Sept. 23, 2020, 1:51 p.m. ET

    The developers behind Industry City, a major commercial project in Brooklyn that aimed to create 20,000 jobs, have abandoned their rezoning proposal for the neighborhood, overcome by a swell of opposition from the progressive left.

    The fight over Industry City was the biggest clash over development in New York City since the collapse of the Amazon deal in Queens last year, and the proposal’s defeat reflects the growing strength of progressive Democrats.

    The rezoning application had been cast as a way to bring jobs to an underdeveloped waterfront industrial area, and the city’s massive job losses during the pandemic gave supporters of the rezoning a compelling argument that the city could not spurn the prospect of new jobs.

    But the developers decided to withdraw the application on Tuesday night after more elected officials came out against the plan.

    “If a project like this can’t succeed, it concerns me very much about the future of New York City — a place I’ve spent my whole life,” the chief executive of Industry City, Andrew Kimball, said in an interview on Wednesday.

    Many community activists opposed the rezoning proposal, which they said would hurt the working-class residents of Sunset Park, Brooklyn.Credit...Gabriele Holtermann-Gorden/Sipa, via Associated Press

    Business leaders also expressed dismay over the defeat of the rezoning, which was first reported by Politico. Kathryn Wylde, the president of the Partnership for New York City, an influential business group, questioned how elected officials could forsake thousands of jobs when nearly one million New Yorkers were facing unemployment.

    “The opponents of Industry City have further damaged the prospects for economic recovery from COVID-19,” she said in a statement.

    But progressive Democrats saw the proposal as a favor to big business, one that would worsen gentrification in Sunset Park, a diverse, working-class neighborhood on the Brooklyn waterfront.

    “People power has triumphed,” Carlos Menchaca, the local councilman who opposed the deal, wrote on Twitter. “Our work continues as community voice drives the growth and future of our neighborhood.”

    Industry City has withdrawn their application. A WIN FOR SUNSET PARK! People power has triumphed ✊🏾. Our work continues as community voice drives the growth and future of our neighborhood.

    — Carlos Menchaca 萬齊家 (@NYCCouncil38) September 23, 2020
    Mr. Menchaca’s opposition would have normally been enough to kill the plan; City Council members are unofficially afforded the power to essentially veto any rezoning in their districts. But the Council had been considering the rezoning despite Mr. Menchaca’s opposition, and held a hearing on the proposal this month. The city’s planning commission had voted to approve the rezoning last month.

    Mayor Bill de Blasio, a Democrat who will leave office in 2021, had declined to take a position on Industry City. Mr. de Blasio, who supported the Amazon deal, said on Wednesday that other rezoning proposals were moving forward and he would support ones that benefit the public.

    Previous mayoral administrations had approved “sweetheart deals” for developers that he said made New Yorkers skeptical of new projects.

    “That kind of development really soured people,” Mr. de Blasio said.

    Industry City is an industrial complex on the waterfront that was built in the 1890s. Developers have rebranded it as a 21st-century hub for small businesses and artists and have wanted to expand the site into a shopping and office behemoth.

    In 2013, Jamestown, the developer that owns Chelsea Market, and its partners bought a nearly 50 percent stake in the 16-building complex. Jamestown renovated the buildings, which were flooded during Hurricane Sandy.

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    The proposal to rezone the area was stridently opposed by a handful of community groups, most notably Uprose, an environmental justice group, and Protect Sunset Park. The grass-roots opposition helped win over local elected officials, including Representatives Jerrold Nadler and Hakeem Jeffries, who sent a letter to the City Council on Tuesday opposing the rezoning and urging council members to listen to local residents.

    “What the Sunset Park community has made clear is rezoning such a large portion of the waterfront for a single private actor is not in the best interests of the residents,” the letter said.

    Mr. Kimball, the leader of Industry City, said he had worked to address the same concerns that had killed the Amazon deal and abided by the city’s complex land review process. Still, there was resistance to “a project that any reasonable person would say is an extraordinary project.”

    Two factors contributed to the decision to withdraw the application, he said: the lack of political leadership and fears that a contentious battle could harm the developers’ reputation. The developers have leased 300,000 feet of commercial space at Industry City since the pandemic hit.

    “We can’t have that be damaged by a continued political food fight that lacks very little substance,” Mr. Kimball said.

    Eric Ulrich, a Republican councilman from Queens, said he had the same pit in his stomach upon hearing of Industry City’s defeat that he did when Amazon abandoned its plans in Queens. The city was suffering, he said, because Democrats were “marching to the beat of the Socialist drum.”

    “We are sending such a terrible message to the rest of the country that we’re not open for business, and we’re not open to economic development and new jobs,” he said.
    “No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.” – Lily Tomlin.

  4. #17269

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ti-Amie View Post
    Many community activists opposed the rezoning proposal, which they said would hurt the working-class residents of Sunset Park, Brooklyn.
    First I'm hearing of this so no overall opinion on the deal. But this sort of general sentiment tends to sound great, but the reality is pitiful. I don't know Sunset Park like that, but know several neighborhoods nearby very well. And these "community activists that are concerned about working class residents" tend to be the same people who moved to Brooklyn within the last 20 years and gentrified the hell out of it to something barely recognizable and drove out tons of working class residents in the process.

  5. #17270

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    Serious question, because I cannot word this properly.
    Regarding the verdict given in the Breonna Taylor decision. In what qualitative level is this different than South Africa's apartheid regime? If these men are not even indicted, how is this different than apartheid, not in a quantitative level ("They received sentences that are less than the expected") but in a qualitative level ("They are allowed to walk free despite murdering a woman in her sleep").
    I hope I am making my question clear. And again, I am serious. Not being my usual jerk.
    Last edited by ponchi101; 09-23-2020 at 05:02 PM.
    Face it. It's the apocalypse.

  6. #17271

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    Uh, none? This is the result that was desired. The charges presented to the grand jury were purposefully minimal. There were several more charges left off by the AG that could easily have been put forth, but weren't.

    There's a saying that goes something like, "A grand jury will indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor asks them to." And that's nothing but the truth, the grand jury is one-sided look at the evidence, and if so desired, you can make it incredibly slanted to suit the state's purpose. This was the desired result.

  7. #17272

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    Quote Originally Posted by JazzNU View Post
    First I'm hearing of this so no overall opinion on the deal. But this sort of general sentiment tends to sound great, but the reality is pitiful. I don't know Sunset Park like that, but know several neighborhoods nearby very well. And these "community activists that are concerned about working class residents" tend to be the same people who moved to Brooklyn within the last 20 years and gentrified the hell out of it to something barely recognizable and drove out tons of working class residents in the process.
    They're afraid because the NEXT group trying to come in will price THEM out of the neighborhood. It's what happened around the Amazon situation in Astoria, Queens. Everyone kept invoking the "people in the projects" but AOC et al were really only concerned with the OG's - original gentrifiers. In the end the folks in the projects are the ones who lost out. An entry level job is better than no job at all. If there had been better reporting this would've been clear. This is why there are many NY'ers who are angry with AOC despite all of her progressive sounding talk.
    “No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.” – Lily Tomlin.

  8. #17273

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    Ky. attorney general on Breonna Taylor case: ‘I understand as a Black man,’ but acting on outrage ‘is no justice’

    Marc Fisher
    September 23, 2020 at 7:30 p.m. EDT

    The attorney general who solemnly told Louisville and the nation that no police officer would be charged in the shooting death of Breonna Taylor is a young Black man who choked up at the thought that his own mother might ever face such a devastating tragedy.

    That same Kentucky lawyer is one of the Republican Party’s best hopes for building a more diverse appeal, a protege of the ultimate old-school practitioner of the dark arts of politics, and a favorite of President Trump who nonetheless has a reputation for being a stickler for unadulterated facts.

    As thousands of protesters gathered on Louisville streets Wednesday afternoon, Daniel Cameron faced the toughest moment yet in his fledgling political career. Kentucky’s 34-year-old attorney general patiently explained on national TV that his allegiance was to the law, not to his race or to emotions or to public sentiment, and that every tragic wrong does not necessarily find a cure in the criminal code.

    For most of his nearly hour-long explication of why three White police officers will face no criminal charges in the shooting death of an unarmed Black woman who was in her apartment in the middle of the night when they gunned her down, Cameron shared the TV screen with images of people streaming through the city’s streets, some holding protest signs, others holding sticks and wearing gas masks.

    But as piqued as tensions were, Cameron radiated confidence and a bedrock belief in the rectitude of the law. He might not be accustomed to split-screen treatment on cable news, but he’s lived a split-screen life from the moment he entered politics.

    Cameron won his first bid for elective office last year by beating a more stringently conservative state senator in the Republican primary and then defeating his Democratic opponent despite the fact that Democrats had held the attorney general post in Kentucky for 70 years.

    Republicans in his home state and in Washington immediately embraced Cameron as a symbol of a more diverse future that some Republicans were working to create for the party before Trump captured its soul and identity.

    Yet Cameron ran a campaign that largely steered clear of discussions of race; he made no show of meeting with Black groups in Louisville, which is 23 percent Black.

    Four days after Cameron’s victory, Trump, who won just 8 percent of the Black vote in 2016, brought him onstage at a Black Voices for Trump campaign event in Atlanta. And last month, he was chosen to deliver a prime-time address at the Republican National Convention.

    In that speech, Cameron slammed Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden as someone who believes that there is no diversity of thought in the Black community, who says that any Black who doesn’t support him “ain’t Black.”

    “Look at me, I am Black,” Cameron said. “We are not all the same, sir. I am not in chains. My mind is my own.”

    On Wednesday, Cameron left that kind of rhetoric behind.

    He approached the microphone masked against the novel coronavirus, and then, in a soft, serious tone, he took pains to present himself as a neutral, deliberate arbiter. A finder of fact. Someone who believes that “the criminal law is not meant to respond to every sorrow and grief” and that “criminal justice isn’t the quest for revenge.”

    But race was a key reason he was standing at the microphone. It was why this shooting death put him in charge of an escalated, intensely watched investigation. Though Cameron never mentioned the race of the officers who killed Taylor, he did address the central role race has played in public perceptions of his investigation.

    “I am a Black man and I speak for the office,” Cameron said in response to a question about the racial makeup of the investigators in the Taylor case. Twice during his news conference, Cameron’s emotions welled up, catching his throat as he contemplated how his mother might react if he were to be the victim of a similar tragedy and as he considered a question about finding justice for Black Americans.

    And despite Cameron’s persistent efforts to present his findings and the grand jury’s decision as the logical and necessary result of a process that put aside the emotions of this wrenching year, he kept coming back to the reality of 2020 in Louisville and in American politics.

    “I certainly understand the pain that has been brought about by the tragic death of Breonna Taylor,” he said. “I understand that as a Black man.”

    But “if we simply act on emotion or outrage, there is no justice,” Cameron added. “Justice is not easy. It does not fit the mold of public opinion.”

    Cameron explained why Taylor’s death was not a murder, why the two officers who shot her were justified in using deadly force, why the law precluded him from deciding on his own whether the officers ought to be charged in her death.

    He was calm, consummately knowledgeable, in command of his material — exactly what some Kentucky Democrats fear might make him a political force for years to come. Cameron has become a target of Democratic disdain and liberal wrath — as of Wednesday afternoon, his Wikipedia biography described him as “the first Uncle Tom elected” to his office.

    “The hostility to Cameron from progressives and African American elites was almost immediate,” said D. Stephen Voss, a political scientist at the University of Kentucky. “He’s shown the ability to follow the mysterious strategy of his mentor, Mitch McConnell, who built a career as a non-Trump style of politician who nonetheless has fully embraced Trump.”

    Formerly McConnell’s counsel in Washington, Cameron relied heavily on the Senate majority leader’s support and on big donations from McConnell-aligned groups in his 2019 campaign.

    “It’s hard now to appreciate the conventional wisdom when Cameron first emerged, which was that as an African American linked to McConnell, he was the weakest link on the Republican ticket,” Voss said.

    But just as it has repeatedly been proved to be unwise to count out McConnell’s political staying power, so too was it foolish to expect that Cameron would lose because he wasn’t a fire-breathing right-winger.

    “He’s young and bright and exactly what the Republicans want to showcase,” said Dewey Clayton, a political scientist at the University of Louisville. “He has a nice smile and he’s very smart. I’ve seen him follow McConnell in many ways.

    “He’s really still a blank slate to much of the public,” Clayton said, “and he’s largely avoided being a prominent voice on race. I’ve never heard him say that police brutality needs to be on the agenda, never saw him reach out to the NAACP. He’s big on law and order.”

    Whether Cameron was “tough on crime” was one of the first questions Trump posed to the then-candidate in July 2019, when McConnell brought his protege to the Oval Office to meet the president.

    In a 25-minute session, Trump complimented Cameron as being “out of central casting” after the lawyer shared his views on crime, immigration and gun rights.

    But one senior Kentucky Republican, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because “no one wants to cross Mitch,” said Cameron has not yet shown he can make his way forward in politics without McConnell. “People in the party still don’t know what he stands for,” the politician said. “He’s tried to avoid contentious topics.”

    Cameron did have to take on race in his campaign after the Lexington Herald Leader published a cartoon depicting Cameron grabbing onto the coattails of a Ku Klux Klan robe worn by Trump. Cameron blasted the cartoon as evidence of liberal intolerance of “the idea of folks that look like me who happen to be Republican.”

    Cameron has called his conservatism homegrown, the product of two conservative parents who owned a small coffee shop where he also worked.

    He first came into public view as a fullback on the University of Louisville football team. While in law school at the same university, he interned in McConnell’s Senate office, then clerked for a federal judge who had previously worked for McConnell.

    McConnell hired Cameron as general counsel in 2015, a job that entailed helping the leader identify and promote conservative judges to the federal bench.

    Cameron came home to Kentucky and briefly lobbied to legalize industrial hemp. But in short order, McConnell came calling, urging Cameron to run for attorney general.

    McConnell’s Kentucky network was highly visible in Cameron’s campaign. Former aides to the leader were among his largest donors, and the Judicial Crisis Network, a key advocate in McConnell’s push to confirm Trump’s nominees to the federal courts, spent more than $350,000 on pro-Cameron TV ads.
    “No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.” – Lily Tomlin.

  9. #17274

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    I have had to read this post a few times. My doubt is still:
    This wasn't a trial, right? This was a grand jury, to DECIDE IF THESE OFFICERS MERIT BEING CHARGED. After that, a proper process would ensue. Correct?
    Nobody has yet reached the stage where it can be claimed that justice was done or not, because not even that process had began. So, by his account, acting on outrage is not justice, but the fact is that justice was not even given a chance.
    Am I missing something? (again, due to the seriousness of this case, I am asking a real question).
    Face it. It's the apocalypse.

  10. #17275

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    I'm not sure you're missing anything.

    The proper process you are speaking of, like a trial, will not occur on anything related to Breonna Taylor. A grand jury is a non-adversarial process so true merit isn't necessarily part of the evaluation, they look at what the prosecution puts in front of it and the prosecution is not really required to show any or all of the evidence they have related to the case. For instance, it's acceptable (as in not illegal) to present one witness that says they heard something, even though there's evidence of 12 other witnesses hearing nothing. And that one witness the state relies on isn't challenged on their memory under cross examination. Witnesses do not have their own counsel present. A judge does not preside over it. And standard rules of evidence (which is a legal phrase, sort of the standard rules governing evidence in legal proceedings) are largely suspended. They show what they want to show.

    There is a school of thought that grand juries should be abolished. It is a common law tool that some view as having outlived its usefulness exactly for reasons such as this, it stands as a convenient shield for prosecutors. But the grand jury isn't going anywhere in the US, though they have been abolished in many other countries. They are in the US Constitution, so they are here to stay for federal cases at least.

  11. #17276

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    I've served on Grand Juries twice. Even when there was skepticism about a case presented most of the time we on the GJ took the attitude of "let the lawyers sort it out" and would return a True Bill. It was very very rare that we returned a "No Bill". That is part of the reason people want to know what was presented to the Grand Jury and why I think they're right is asking for that material.
    “No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.” – Lily Tomlin.

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