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Moose
02-13-2008, 10:44 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/2008_swimsuit/danica-patrick/

I always thought she was just okay looking. Funny what a big investment in the right setting, lighting, photographer, swimwear, make up,... will do for a woman.

bea26
02-13-2008, 11:07 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/2008_swimsuit/danica-patrick/

I always thought she was just okay looking. Funny what a big investment in the right setting, lighting, photographer, swimwear, make up,... will do for a woman.

Why? Why Danica, why Steffi, why Maria? Just why?

ptmcmahon
02-13-2008, 11:29 AM
$$$$$ Why not? $$$$

mrjiggyfly2
02-13-2008, 01:46 PM
Thanks for posting Moose!

dryrunguy
02-13-2008, 02:03 PM
I love it when Sports Illustrated and other outlets recognize that a woman does not have to be borderline anorexic to be beautiful. She has a figure like a real woman. That's really great to see.

I don't know a lot about her but I have the sense that she's an independent, strong-willed woman who has a TNS approach to life... Which makes her all-the-more attractive.

Dry

Jay
02-13-2008, 02:08 PM
I skimmed through some of them, and they're not bad :thumbsup:
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/pr/subs/swimsuit/images/08_danica-patrick_04.jpghttp://i.a.cnn.net/si/pr/subs/swimsuit/images/08_danica-patrick_08.jpg

GVGirl
02-13-2008, 02:10 PM
I love it when Sports Illustrated and other outlets recognize that a woman does not have to be borderline anorexic to be beautiful. She has a figure like a real woman. That's really great to see.

I don't know a lot about her but I have the sense that she's an independent, strong-willed woman who has a TNS approach to life... Which makes her all-the-more attractive.

Dry

:overhead_clap:

(I still don't like the exhibitionism? Is that a word?)

bea26
02-13-2008, 02:24 PM
I love it when Sports Illustrated and other outlets recognize that a woman does not have to be borderline anorexic to be beautiful. She has a figure like a real woman. That's really great to see.

I don't know a lot about her but I have the sense that she's an independent, strong-willed woman who has a TNS approach to life... Which makes her all-the-more attractive.

Dry

At the end of the day, it's still objectification in a mens magazine. I don't like it when people do it to others and I like it less when people do it to themselves.

morct
02-13-2008, 02:36 PM
At the end of the day, it's still objectification in a mens magazine. I don't like it when people do it to others and I like it less when people do it to themselves.

Ditto.

dryrunguy
02-13-2008, 03:08 PM
At the end of the day, it's still objectification in a mens magazine. I don't like it when people do it to others and I like it less when people do it to themselves.

I can understand the objectification argument. But if you go there, then you also have to complain about the pics of the shirtless Feliciano on the beach and all the others, regardless of gender. For me, it's one thing when the "object" is a kid, which is why I always balked about the outfits Golovin wore on court when she was a teenager; or when someone like Paulina Rubio or Fergie uses sex appeal to sell music. To me, right or wrong, this just feels different. And had it been a sexy male race car driver doing this, I'm not sure this point would be raised. Everyone should be held to the same standards.

Dry

Foxykhat
02-13-2008, 03:35 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/2008_swimsuit/danica-patrick/

I always thought she was just okay looking. Funny what a big investment in the right setting, lighting, photographer, swimwear, make up,... will do for a woman.

I used to think Danica was beautiful, but that changed the more I saw her. I think she's just okay looking, but not exceptionally beautiful or sexy, and even touched up it's still the same.

Foxy

bea26
02-13-2008, 03:42 PM
I can understand the objectification argument. But if you go there, then you also have to complain about the pics of the shirtless Feliciano on the beach and all the others, regardless of gender. For me, it's one thing when the "object" is a kid, which is why I always balked about the outfits Golovin wore on court when she was a teenager; or when someone like Paulina Rubio or Fergie uses sex appeal to sell music. To me, right or wrong, this just feels different. And had it been a sexy male race car driver doing this, I'm not sure this point would be raised. Everyone should be held to the same standards.

Dry

No matter how many clothes a man sheds, he'll never be stripped of his power the way women are every day. If men were fighting to be taken seriously every minute of their lives, I'd think it was the same shame. But alas, no.

mmmm8
02-13-2008, 04:09 PM
I can understand the objectification argument. But if you go there, then you also have to complain about the pics of the shirtless Feliciano on the beach and all the others, regardless of gender. For me, it's one thing when the "object" is a kid, which is why I always balked about the outfits Golovin wore on court when she was a teenager; or when someone like Paulina Rubio or Fergie uses sex appeal to sell music. To me, right or wrong, this just feels different. And had it been a sexy male race car driver doing this, I'm not sure this point would be raised. Everyone should be held to the same standards.

Dry

I agree


No matter how many clothes a man sheds, he'll never be stripped of his power the way women are every day. If men were fighting to be taken seriously every minute of their lives, I'd think it was the same shame. But alas, no.

I see your point, but why does SHE need to be responsible for the weight borne by women worldwide for centuries and feel immoral or cheap or as if she is betraying her gender for choosing to express herself this way?

I think it's a double standard both to perceive a woman selling sex appeal differently from a man doing so, which is what you're decrying, and to judge them differently for it.

bea26
02-13-2008, 04:35 PM
I agree

I see your point, but why does SHE need to be responsible for the weight borne by women worldwide for centuries and feel immoral or cheap or as if she is betraying her gender for choosing to express herself this way?

I think it's a double standard both to perceive a woman selling sex appeal differently from a man doing so, which is what you're decrying, and to judge them differently for it.

The womens movement emphasizes freedom of choice. If Danica wants to be oggled in a mens magazine, or if she thinks it'll diversify her portfolio, that's her absolute right. It's Sports Illustrated and it's race car driving, so I can't say I'm all the politically wrapped up in the importance of this moment. But to suggest a woman struggling to gain acceptance in a male dominated industry giving the boys something to hang on the back of their bathroom door doesn't send some sort of message is silly.

And as for the double standard, I'd just point to reverse racism. When one group has all the power, it's tough to equate the behavior, and the stakes, in the same way.

mmmm8
02-13-2008, 04:52 PM
The womens movement emphasizes freedom of choice. If Danica wants to be oggled in a mens magazine, or if she thinks it'll diversify her portfolio, that's her absolute right. It's Sports Illustrated and it's race car driving, so I can't say I'm all the politically wrapped up in the importance of this moment. But to suggest a woman struggling to gain acceptance in a male dominated industry giving the boys something to hang on the back of their bathroom door doesn't send some sort of message is silly.

And as for the double standard, I'd just point to reverse racism. When one group has all the power, it's tough to equate the behavior, and the stakes, in the same way.

I don't disagree. Doesn't make it (or reverse racism) right, though.

If I were to decide to take my clothes off, I would dislike the "how dare you make all women look like sex objects" reaction just as much as the "all women are sex objects" reaction.

But, this is again my problem with the feminist movement. are they seeking equality, or are they looking to receive a different kind of special treatment, in retribution for being treated as as an inferior?

dryrunguy
02-13-2008, 04:56 PM
The womens movement emphasizes freedom of choice. If Danica wants to be oggled in a mens magazine, or if she thinks it'll diversify her portfolio, that's her absolute right. It's Sports Illustrated and it's race car driving, so I can't say I'm all the politically wrapped up in the importance of this moment. But to suggest a woman struggling to gain acceptance in a male dominated industry giving the boys something to hang on the back of their bathroom door doesn't send some sort of message is silly.

And as for the double standard, I'd just point to reverse racism. When one group has all the power, it's tough to equate the behavior, and the stakes, in the same way.

Actually, my first reaction was quite the opposite. Here's a woman in a man's world... She's sexy and competing effectively with the boys. The boys are confronted with the reality that she's a feminine being. So I saw the complete opposite.

If a guy hangs it on his bathroom door and doesn't get the point that women can do anything a man can do, that's on him. Not her.

Here's another way to look at it... Since she's a woman, is she supposed to be ashamed of being sexy? Moreso than a man? I'm just not following that.

And while I don't want to jack this thread in a different direction, I've never believed there's such a thing as "reverse racism". Racism is racism regardless of the race of the person perpetrating it or the race of the victim. It all points to the same ugliness. Furthermore, that term suggests to me that white people are always the perpetrators of it, and that's just not true. But now I'm quibbling. :)

Dry

bea26
02-13-2008, 05:04 PM
I don't disagree. Doesn't make it (or reverse racism) right, though.

If I were to decide to take my clothes off, I would dislike the "how dare you make all women look like sex objects" reaction just as much as the "all women are sex objects" reaction.

But, this is again my problem with the feminist movement. are they seeking equality, or are they looking to receive a different kind of special treatment, in retribution for being treated as as an inferior?

Well, speaking for all women, I'd say we want to live in a world where we're judged as whole people, not the sum of our comely parts. Sadly, the world we do live in is still filled with patriarchal tyranny, which Danica's spread doesn't help to overthrow. Luckily that's your hot mess to have to wade through. I just get to flip the pages.

bea26
02-13-2008, 05:10 PM
Actually, my first reaction was quite the opposite. Here's a woman in a man's world... She's sexy and competing effectively with the boys. The boys are confronted with the reality that she's a feminine being. So I saw the complete opposite.

If a guy hangs it on his bathroom door and doesn't get the point that women can do anything a man can do, that's on him. Not her.

Here's another way to look at it... Since she's a woman, is she supposed to be ashamed of being sexy? Moreso than a man? I'm just not following that.

And while I don't want to jack this thread in a different direction, I've never believes there's such a thing as "reverse racism". Racism is racism regardless of the race of the person perpetrating it or the race of the victim. It all points to the same ugliness. Furthermore, that term suggests to me that white people are always the perpetrators of it, and that's just not true. But now I'm quibbling. :)

Dry

A good thing is that Danica's appeared on the cover before, in her uniform, looking professional. Now, the fact that the headline was about how seriously she's taken as a race car driver is another matter.

She can be sexy all she wants. I'm with Foxy, I thought she was hot at first, but now she just looks like a UPS driver to me. I'm more piqued by the fact that it's specifically in a magazine that uniquely covers both sports AND boobs. It's the same audience. And as cultured as we think the readership is, I don't know if anyone's reading the articles.

Ya racist.

mmmm8
02-13-2008, 05:11 PM
Well, speaking for all women, I'd say we want to live in a world where we're judged as whole people, not the sum of our comely parts. Sadly, the world we do live in is still filled with patriarchal tyranny, which Danica's spread doesn't help to overthrow. Luckily that's your hot mess to have to wade through. I just get to flip the pages.

The hot mess can be used equally to one's detriment and benefit, so I just ignore it, and it seems to be working out ok.

bea26
02-13-2008, 05:12 PM
The hot mess can be used equally to one's detriment and benefit, so I just ignore it, and it seems to be working out ok.

You're so smart! Now go get me a beer, sugartits.

mmmm8
02-13-2008, 05:19 PM
You're so smart! Now go get me a beer, sugartits.


Go look at you International Male catalog!

bea26
02-13-2008, 05:26 PM
Go look at you International Male catalog!

:shocked: That's JT! What, all gays are alike to you? Is that it? You're revealing yourself more than Danica ever could.

(where's the emoticon for fleeing a room hysterically clutching pearls?)

craighickman
02-13-2008, 05:42 PM
At the end of the day, it's still objectification in a mens magazine. I don't like it when people do it to others and I like it less when people do it to themselves.

If you do it to yourself, then you are subjectifyng.

Big difference to me.

I'm all for subjectification.

craighickman
02-13-2008, 05:44 PM
No matter how many clothes a man sheds, he'll never be stripped of his power the way women are every day. If men were fighting to be taken seriously every minute of their lives, I'd think it was the same shame. But alas, no.

Depends on who's doing the stripping and what for. It also depends on the race of the man in question.

bea26
02-13-2008, 05:55 PM
Depends on who's doing the stripping and what for. It also depends on the race of the man in question.

Man, if Danica were black she'd be screwed.

craighickman
02-13-2008, 05:57 PM
Man, if Danica were black she'd be screwed.

She's a woman. She's screwed.

Jay
02-13-2008, 06:15 PM
Actually, my first reaction was quite the opposite. Here's a woman in a man's world... She's sexy and competing effectively with the boys. The boys are confronted with the reality that she's a feminine being. So I saw the complete opposite.

If a guy hangs it on his bathroom door and doesn't get the point that women can do anything a man can do, that's on him. Not her.

Here's another way to look at it... Since she's a woman, is she supposed to be ashamed of being sexy? Moreso than a man? I'm just not following that.

And while I don't want to jack this thread in a different direction, I've never believed there's such a thing as "reverse racism". Racism is racism regardless of the race of the person perpetrating it or the race of the victim. It all points to the same ugliness. Furthermore, that term suggests to me that white people are always the perpetrators of it, and that's just not true. But now I'm quibbling. :)

Dry
I saw it like that, too. I sort of pictured it like this: a poster of her could be pinned to a dude's locker, AND she could beat him while race car driving. I think that's totally awesome.

And I agree with you on all points :)

Aziza
02-13-2008, 06:39 PM
So I have visited this thread a number of times in between looking up Danica Patrick. I think this formed my final opinion on the issue.

https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/gdgirls/danica.asp?ci=11180

Watch the video of the ad pulled from the super bowl.

nelslus
02-13-2008, 07:09 PM
I just have a jumble of feelings about all of this. I truly can see all sides- albeit I am leaning on the Dry/mmmm8/Jessie side of this debate, concerning the "impact" of this pictorial and all that.

A few points:

*Just FYI, I do not agree with "racism is racism regardless of the race of the person perpetrating it or the race of the victim." I'm with Bea (if I may paraphrase here) that it's different when the group in power is the one invoking racism/discrimination/whatever. I also am bleeding heart enough to be all for affirmative action. A minority individual gets a job over me or whatever- fine by me. There are other jobs, and I am all about doing whatever is necessary to make up for past sins. No matter how long it takes.

*Still, in this case, I just can't help thinking- it's just freakin' Sports Illustrated. Heck, back in the day, you'd all have been lucky to have my naked self on the TAT homepage. (Perish the thought these days, I get. But, still.) Plus, I doubt that there is any man on this site who doesn't have some nudie mags somewhere in their homes (and I have fewer than probably all of y'all, so there.) Heck, 98% of us deep down are into the nasty. So, we're gonna worry about Danica in a swimsuit issue? The women's movement is gonna somehow survive this. And, if folks want to disrespect women, they're going to, anyways- I doubt that Danica's pictorial is going to push anyone over into the mysognist edge.

*Some of y'all are DAMNED harsh. Danica looks great. (Except for the one photo where she's covering her naked yummies, as the photo make her arms look huge, and it looks like she's wearing a diaper.) I sure as hell don't want to be in the room with some of y'all when the photos and video get posted from the TATI.

*I have been waiting forever for SOMEONE to be called sugartits. Now, my moment has finally arrived. (PLUS, we all can get a healthy glow knowing that the lovemaking between Bea and mmmm8 was that much hotter tonight.)

mmmm8
02-13-2008, 07:16 PM
*I have been waiting forever for SOMEONE to be called sugartits. Now, my moment has finally arrived. (PLUS, we all can get a healthy glow knowing that the lovemaking between Bea and mmmm8 was that much hotter tonight.)

The International Male catalog was largely responsible for that for both of us

craighickman
02-13-2008, 07:16 PM
Plus, I doubt that there is any man on this site who doesn't have some nudie mags somewhere in their homes (and I have fewer than probably all of y'all, so there.)

I have zero.

nelslus
02-13-2008, 07:20 PM
I have zero.

Oh, FINE, you're one of the five American men without nudie magazines at home. (AND, I'm sure that we're now going to hear from the other four as they're TAT members, too.....)

Apparently, I should have added "....and/or blow up dolls" to my discussion. Sorry, Craig- I'm buying McNamee's testimony on you, too. ;)

bea26
02-13-2008, 07:21 PM
The International Male catalog was largely responsible for that for both of us

I'm still waiting for that beer.

nelslus
02-13-2008, 07:22 PM
I'm still waiting for that beer.

......please......call her sugartits again......

craighickman
02-13-2008, 07:23 PM
Oh, FINE, you're one of the five American men without nudie magazines at home. (AND, I'm sure that we're now going to hear from the other four as they're TAT members, too.....)

Apparently, I should have added "....and/or blow up dolls" to my discussion. Sorry, Craig- I'm buying McNamee's testimony on you, too. ;)


LOL.

I'm just not into porn. It's not a moral issue, I just don't like it.

dryrunguy
02-13-2008, 07:27 PM
*Just FYI, I do not agree with "racism is racism regardless of the race of the person perpetrating it or the race of the victim."

Oh, that was me.

I said that because I've heard, for example, African Americans spew a lot of disdain toward other African Americans... From "she's ghetto", to "damn, that baby got bad hair" (what's bad hair?), to discrimination or a condescending attitude based on socioeconomic status or perceived intelligence, or even the darkness of one's complexion.... I've also heard a lot of Puerto Ricans say horrible things about Mexicans and Dominicans, for different reasons... All of which were certifiably nuts. It might go the other way, too.

I just meant to point out that white people don't have a monopoly on racist attitudes. And with that being the case, I think the concept of "reverse racism" suggests that it ALWAYS goes from one direction to another. That's just not true. Sometimes it's projected within a community itself. That's all I meant.

Dry

Jay
02-13-2008, 07:27 PM
Oh, FINE, you're one of the five American men without nudie magazines at home. (AND, I'm sure that we're now going to hear from the other four as they're TAT members, too.....)

Apparently, I should have added "....and/or blow up dolls" to my discussion. Sorry, Craig- I'm buying McNamee's testimony on you, too. ;)

I don't have any nudie magazines either (there are other ways to view stuff besides magazines ;))

..or blow up dolls for that matter :p


I'll have to disagree with you on one thing, though. To me, racism is racism no matter who it is (I should add, though, that I'm all for affirmative action and all that jazz :)).

Jay
02-13-2008, 07:29 PM
Oh, that was me.

I said that because I've heard, for example, African Americans spew a lot of disdain toward other African Americans... From "she's ghetto", to "damn, that baby got bad hair" (what's bad hair?), to discrimination or a condescending attitude based on socioeconomic status or perceived intelligence, or even the darkness of one's complexion.... I've also heard a lot of Puerto Ricans say horrible things about Mexicans and Dominicans, for different reasons... All of which were certifiably nutes.

I just meant to point out that white people don't have a monopoly on racist attitudes. And with that being the case, I think the concept of "reverse racism" suggests that it ALWAYS goes from one direction to another. That's just not true. Sometimes it's projected within a community itself. That's all I meant.

Dry
Ditto. Although, I've heard more racist said by Mexicans about Puerto Ricans, though...but that could be because there are a lot more Mexican Americans here than Puerto Ricans..and even among themselves (example: the other day I heard someone say..this is the cleaned up version: "everyone from Michoacan speaks an ugly Spanish accent with Indian words than the other Mexican states...and they're so ugly and [skin tone comment here]"...and don't get me started on what I've heard about people from Guerrero by other Mexicans from other Mexican states)

....and I, too, have heard the bad hair/skin tone thing a bunch of times.

nelslus
02-13-2008, 07:30 PM
I don't have any nudie magazines either (there are other ways to view stuff besides magazines ;))

..or blow up dolls for that matter :p


I'll have to disagree with you on one thing, though. To me, racism is racism no matter who it is (I should add, though, that I'm all for affirmative action).

Certainly, on a 1:1 level, I agree. Politically- I don't. That's why I'm also for hate crimes legislation- added time put on if you attack minorities and all that.

Alternate message: Tramp. YEP- as I suspect that you're intimating.....LET'S check out your internet usage history......

Jay
02-13-2008, 07:51 PM
Certainly, on a 1:1 level, I agree. Politically- I don't. That's why I'm also for hate crimes legislation- added time put on if you attack minorities and all that.

Alternate message: Tramp. YEP- as I suspect that you're intimating.....LET'S check out your internet usage history......

Oh, I totally agree regarding hate crimes legislation.


Internet usage history? porn? me? never! :tease:

dryrunguy
02-14-2008, 06:50 AM
Weren't you just drooling over the pics of the French guys in the strip club? :)

:thumbsup: THAT's what I'm talking about. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. :)

Dry

Jack
02-19-2008, 06:09 PM
:thumbsup: THAT's what I'm talking about. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. :)

Dry

From Seinfeld:
George: What the hell is a gander, anyway?
Jerry: It's a goose that's had the old switcheroo pulled on it.

oploskoffie
04-20-2008, 06:27 AM
Not the best thread for this, perhaps, but... Danica's won her first IndyCar race :overhead_clap:


Read about it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/7357186.stm

nelslus
04-20-2008, 06:51 AM
Not the best thread for this, perhaps, but... Danica's won her first IndyCar race :overhead_clap:


Read about it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/7357186.stm

I'm with Andretti. This will probably open up the floodgates, leading to multiple victories. Good for Danica. :thumbsup: