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Moose
02-06-2008, 04:54 PM
Roger Clemens, the steroid shooting, congressional hearing lying, first class cheat and creep - welcome to your personal hell!


Lawyers Say McNamee Has Physical Evidence

Published: February 7, 2008
Brian McNamee has given federal investigators bloody gauze pads and syringes he said he used to inject Roger Clemens with steroids and human-growth hormone in 2000 and 2001, a lawyer familiar with the matter said Wednesday.

The former personal trainer hopes that DNA and chemical tests on the materials will prove he injected Clemens, as he contends, and thus prove that Clemens lied in a sworn deposition to Congressional investigators on Tuesday, the lawyer said.

If Clemens did not tell the truth in his deposition on Tuesday — and if he repeats his statements at a House Oversight committee hearing set for next Wednesday — the seven-time Cy Young Award winner could face charges of lying to federal officials, which is punishable by up to five years in prison.

The lawyer, who insisted on anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about the case, said McNamee had injected Clemens at the pitcher’s apartment in New York and then taken the syringes and pads to his home in Queens, where he had a medical waste-disposal box.

But McNamee, a former police officer, never disposed of the evidence, the lawyer said, and now those items , if authentic, could have a bearing on the Clemens-McNamee drama.

The lawyer said that McNamee never told investigators for former Senator George J. Mitchell about the physical evidence as Mitchell was compiling his report on the use of performance-enhancing drugs in baseball, a report that was issued on Dec. 13. Nor, the lawyer said, did McNamee initially tell federal investigators about the evidence. In both instances, the lawyer said, McNamee was influenced by ongoing loyalty to a player with whom he had worked so closely for a number of seasons.

But that sentiment apparently changed after Clemens held a news conference in Houston on Jan. 7 and played a tape of a phone conversation he had secretly recorded with McNamee on Jan. 4. “It’s war,” one of McNamee’s lawyers said after the tape was played.

Rest of the story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/sports/baseball/07mcnamee.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

GVGirl
02-06-2008, 04:56 PM
Makes me wonder why this guy was saving syringes for years. Strange, but if true, someone has been busted big time.

Ti-Amie
02-06-2008, 05:02 PM
Keeping a protein stained blue dress was bad enough. Now you've got someone hoarding syringes and bloody gauze pads?

If this pans out I wonder if we'll see Clemens perp walked and pushed into a waiting police vehicle?

bea26
02-06-2008, 05:02 PM
Makes me wonder why this guy was saving syringes for years. Strange, but if true, someone has been busted big time.

Ditto and ditto.

Moose
02-06-2008, 05:03 PM
Makes me wonder why this guy was saving syringes for years. Strange, but if true, someone has been busted big time.

McNamee apparently was no dummy, GV. I doubt this was the reason he saved them, but I am so glad he did. I'm so glad to see Clemens prepared to get exactly what he deserves.

Moose
02-06-2008, 05:05 PM
If this pans out I wonder if we'll see Clemens perp walked and pushed into a waiting police vehicle?

I'll have the TIVO ready, Ti. I am so tired of dirty athletes walking away unscathed. While teenagers give their lives in pursuit of the gains these guys claim came naturally.

GVGirl
02-06-2008, 05:12 PM
I'm still waiting for most of the NFL to get busted for steroids. Why it hasn't happened is beyond me.:rolleyes:

Aziza
02-06-2008, 05:16 PM
Why does congress deal with steroid cases?

rabbit
02-06-2008, 05:19 PM
Why does congress deal with steroid cases?

Yeah, this is most amazing to me too....Isn't there some sort of baseball or football board in the US that takes care of these things? For example, in Europe when there was the football betting scandal or in Asia with the cricket match-fixing scandal, I didn't hear of government officials speaking up. It seems really weird to me.

GVGirl
02-06-2008, 05:24 PM
Probably the main reason that congress targets baseball is that baseball has an anti-trust exemption. MLB does not want to risk losing that.

Ti-Amie
02-06-2008, 05:32 PM
I'm still waiting for most of the NFL to get busted for steroids. Why it hasn't happened is beyond me.:rolleyes:

That's two of us. It'll never happen.

suliso
02-06-2008, 05:34 PM
That's two of us. It'll never happen.

Never say never. Did you think MLB scandal would happen before it did?

Kirkus
02-06-2008, 05:54 PM
Yeah, this is most amazing to me too....Isn't there some sort of baseball or football board in the US that takes care of these things? For example, in Europe when there was the football betting scandal or in Asia with the cricket match-fixing scandal, I didn't hear of government officials speaking up. It seems really weird to me.

It might also have something to do with the fact the MLB doesn't do anything about it.

I have to wonder if McNamee isn't guilty of withholding evidence. The Feds might be able to get a double-play out of this one.

Moose
02-06-2008, 06:04 PM
I have to wonder if McNamee isn't guilty of withholding evidence. The Feds might be able to get a double-play out of this one.


I'm sure that was negotiated out by McNamee's attorney's prior to the needles becoming available, Kirkus. One of those "I'm not saying he has _______________, but if he did, what would it be worth to you/him".

mysterX
02-06-2008, 06:58 PM
For a totally fair, unbiased and impartial look at Roger Clemens, check out Bill Simmons Sports Guy column from a few years back.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=1206543

If you've ever rooted for a Boston sports team, you know exactly where he is coming from.

dryrunguy
02-06-2008, 08:16 PM
Why does congress deal with steroid cases?

Because it deflects news outlet attention from the fact that many of them are cheating on their wives with female interns and/or male prostitutes. ;)

tennisbrp
02-07-2008, 06:22 AM
McNamee apparently was no dummy, GV. I doubt this was the reason he saved them, but I am so glad he did. I'm so glad to see Clemens prepared to get exactly what he deserves.

I think Clemens has already built his OJ like case by convincing himself he didn't do it. Even if these syringes have Roger's blood and traces of steroid he is going to stand by his under oath claim that he thought it was B-12 and/or Lidocaine. It is so foolish. I think the Feds had to get involved because Donald Fehr is such a loathesome and hideous union head and without Federal pressure we'd still be in heavy roid land. Donald would not have been singing the same song had the illegal drug been herione but it was roids so it was OK by him so he could 'protect' his players while they died like Caminitti. Never seemed to care when he was threatened with the infamous "set up a testing program or I'll do it for you" and now they get what they get.

nelslus
02-07-2008, 07:30 AM
Because it deflects news outlet attention from the fact that many of them are cheating on their wives with female interns and/or male prostitutes. ;)

Jeff Gannon is not now nor has he ever been a male prostitute. :mad: He's an entertainment specialist. :gorgeous:

Ti-Amie
02-07-2008, 07:35 AM
Because it deflects news outlet attention from the fact that many of them are cheating on their wives with female interns and/or male prostitutes. ;)

Since this has been going on since forever I don't think that the news outlets will focus on it unless the intern or "entertainment specialist" is found deceased in the presence of either a congressman or senator.

Moose
02-13-2008, 10:33 AM
Andy Pettitte dimed out Clemens as well. Says he heard him discuss HGH usage. Dr. Excuse for Everything says Pettitte must have misunderstood what he said. Noose is getting tighter and tighter around Clemens's neck.

patrick
02-13-2008, 10:43 AM
Andy Pettitte dimed out Clemens as well. Says he heard him discuss HGH usage. Dr. Excuse for Everything says Pettitte must have misunderstood what he said. Noose is getting tighter and tighter around Clemens's neck.

Who will get the "shock" treatment first -Clemens or McNamee? Think they are testifying under oath taking a chance of being caught for perjury.

Moose
02-13-2008, 10:47 AM
Who will get the "shock" treatment first -Clemens or McNamee? Think they are testifying under oath taking a chance of being caught for perjury.

I think Pettitte saying what he did hurts Clemens, Patrick - Andy and ROger were best of friends. Now Clemens not only has to issue the denials at every turn when it comes to McNamee, he also has to discredit a friend.

I'm still looking for the source, but apparently, Clemens is saying that Andy might be be remembering him comment that his (Clemens) wife used HGH, which I think only bolsters McNamee.

and for what it is worth, Canseco has now come out publicly saying that Clemens never asked him (Cancseco) to get steroids for him. There's someone I want having my back in a moment like this ;)

patrick
02-13-2008, 10:49 AM
I think Pettitte saying what he did hurts Clemens, Patrick - Andy and ROger were best of friends. Now Clemens not only has to issue the denials at every turn when it comes to McNamee, he also has to discredit a friend.

I'm still looking for the source, but apparently, Clemens is saying that Andy might be be remembering him comment that his (Clemens) wife used HGH, which I think only bolsters McNamee.

and for what it is worth, Canseco has now come out publicly saying that Clemens never asked him (Cancseco) to get steroids for him. There's someone I want having my back in a moment like this ;)

Barry Bonds must be enjoying peace and quiet of the media every minute of this.

Ti-Amie
02-13-2008, 11:04 AM
Barry Bonds must be enjoying peace and quiet of the media every minute of this.

I think this crew thought if they got Bonds thrown under the bus somehow they'd be able to whistle past the graveyard. It hasn't worked that way.

dryrunguy
02-13-2008, 11:32 AM
I watched a little of this around noontime on Headline News. The committee was really cracking down on McNamee... Basically saying that they can't believe a word he says because he's changed the details of his testimony so many times. Meanwhile, Clemens really stuck to his guns and was very, very convincing.

One other little thing I noticed... And maybe this was really the product of good coaching on one side and bad coaching on the other... But whenever a question was directed at McNamee, he looked down and to his left before answering--a common habit of a liar. Clemens, on the other hand, maintained very good eye contact on every questions--a common habit of either an extremely good liar or someone who is genuinely telling the truth. You pick.

As for my personal impression, I came away with the feeling that McNamee is lying through his teeth, or has at least embelished the facts to some degree... Wouldn't surprise me if he manufactured some of this for the sake of the impending book deal. He really came across like a bald-faced liar... at least based on the part I saw. Don't know what happened after I bailed on the coverage, though. So this post may be a moot point.

Dry

oohsalmon
02-13-2008, 03:50 PM
What I found interesting is that they say that the committee is totally split down party lines. Democrats attacking Clemens, Republicans attacking Macnamee.

craighickman
02-13-2008, 06:02 PM
Congress has no business whatsoever wasting its time on any of this.

Both of them are lying about some aspect of the whole thing. And Clemens took steroids.

Next.

dryrunguy
02-13-2008, 06:45 PM
Congress has no business whatsoever wasting its time on any of this.

Both of them are lying about some aspect of the whole thing. And Clemens took steroids.

Next.

Absolutely. I'll tell you what, that Clemens is one helluva good liar. He really comes across as believable.

The question now is: Will Clemens do jail time? The talking heads are saying he should because Marion Jones is... But Marion also had check fraud charges for which she was convicted, which might have actually played a bigger role in her sentence than lying under oath.

And what about McNamee? Will he do jail time? And will he care once he gets out and reaps the royalties from the book deal... which I'm 99% sure is in the works?

Dry

Moose
02-13-2008, 06:48 PM
Absolutely. I'll tell you what, that Clemens is one helluva good liar. He really comes across as believable.

The question now is: Will Clemens do jail time? The talking heads are saying he should because Marion Jones is... But Marion also had check fraud charges for which she was convicted, which might have actually played a bigger role in her sentence than lying under oath.

And what about McNamee? Will he do jail time? And will he care once he gets out and reaps the royalties from the book deal... which I'm 99% sure is in the works?

Dry

Clemens has to be charged with a crime before he'd do any jail time, Dry. And so far, the weasel hasn't been charged with anything. There was a lot more involved with Marion's prosecution on the lying to a grand jury charge. There was paper documentation, there was a good deal of corraborating evidence. With Clemens, you've got 6 year old dirty needles, and one guy who's proven to be a liar accusing Clemens of being a liar. And Andy Pettitte's statement, which would never form the basis of a criminal charge, I don't think.

dryrunguy
02-13-2008, 06:56 PM
Clemens has to be charged with a crime before he'd do any jail time, Dry. And so far, the weasel hasn't been charged with anything. There was a lot more involved with Marion's prosecution on the lying to a grand jury charge. There was paper documentation, there was a good deal of corraborating evidence. With Clemens, you've got 6 year old dirty needles, and one guy who's proven to be a liar accusing Clemens of being a liar. And Andy Pettitte's statement, which would never form the basis of a criminal charge, I don't think.

He'll be charged with perjury. They should be able to gather some DNA and substance evidence from the needles. But I don't think he'll do jail time. One, he's a man, and two, he's not also charged with something ancillary like check fraud.

Dry

Moose
02-13-2008, 07:00 PM
He'll be charged with perjury. But I don't think he'll do jail time. One, he's a man, and two, he's not also charged with something ancillary like check fraud.

Dry

I hope so. I'm planning to make his perp walk my avatar.

dryrunguy
02-13-2008, 07:04 PM
I hope so. I'm planning to make his perp walk my avatar.

What's funny is that I never gave a rat's ass about MLB (except for the Indians, when they were doing well, which has been virtually never), until this scandal hit. It just might make me a fan. Who knew?

DRy

craighickman
02-13-2008, 07:07 PM
Absolutely. I'll tell you what, that Clemens is one helluva good liar. He really comes across as believable.



I'm not seeing that at all, dry. A man who has to read a statement claiming his innocence? Selling me real estate with quicksand would be an easier sell.

nelslus
02-13-2008, 07:17 PM
I'm not seeing that at all, dry. A man who has to read a statement claiming his innocence? Selling me real estate with quicksand would be an easier sell.

I agree. All I could think of during Clemens' 60 Minutes stint was, "BS, BS, BS, BS......" Not that I'm becoming a big fan of McNamee or anyone else in this sordid affair.

craighickman
02-13-2008, 07:20 PM
I agree. All I could think of during Clemens' 60 Minutes stint was, "BS, BS, BS, BS......" Not that I'm becoming a big fan of McNamee or anyone else in this sordid affair.

Say it again.

But the Mitchell report blew everybody's skirts up. McNamee's dealing is over. So of course he's telling more of the truth now than he did years ago.

All Congress did was badger both witnesses and call them both liars.

It was a waste of time.

Kirkus
02-18-2008, 12:34 PM
I have to admit, I've not been following this as closely as many others might be. And I'm curious what those who are following it think of Andy Pettitte.

I'm watching Andy Pettitte's news conference. He's coming off to me as a good guy. An honest guy who seems to be truly sorry about his part in all this. He appears authentically contrite.

Moose
02-18-2008, 12:37 PM
I have to admit, I've not been following this as closely as many others might be. And I'm curious what those who are following it think of Andy Pettitte.

I'm watching Andy Pettitte's news conference. He's coming off to me as a good guy. An honest guy who seems to be truly sorry about his part in all this. He appears authentically contrite.

I've always liked Andy, Kirkus. And I think he is genuinely sorry he juiced.

oohsalmon
02-18-2008, 12:38 PM
I've always liked Andy, Kirkus. And I think he is genuinely sorry he juiced.

Agreed.

And Clemens is genuinely desperate.

dryrunguy
02-18-2008, 12:38 PM
I have to admit, I've not been following this as closely as many others might be. And I'm curious what those who are following it think of Andy Pettitte.

I'm watching Andy Pettitte's news conference. He's coming off to me as a good guy. An honest guy who seems to be truly sorry about his part in all this. He appears authentically contrite.

I saw it, too. I had exactly the same reaction. And that's bad news for Clemens.

Dry

Ti-Amie
02-18-2008, 12:42 PM
Pettitte is the only one I might muster up some sympathy for.

As for Clemen's perp walk I'm waiting.

Congress is involved because MLB has anti trust coverage that was given to it by the government. Someone mentioned this upthread.
I saw a very strange headline on the NY Post sports page while riding the train the other day. There is talk about Dubya pardoning Clemens. Haven't heard anything else about it but the Post, while mostly good for lining bird cages and wrapping fish, is known for it's sports pages here in Gotham.

nelslus
02-18-2008, 12:43 PM
Agreed.

And Clemens is genuinely desperate.

True enough. Still, I think it's more that Clemens has enough hubris in him, that, as a Baseball Hero and Immortal and all that, as long as he DEIGNED to take the time to tell us what to think (HEY, he took the time to go on 60 Minutes, what ELSE do you want?!?!), he was certain that we'd all fall in line like good little sheep and believe him.

Apparently- it ain't working. (Like Kirkus, I'm not following this as much as I could. Frankly, mostly because I truly just can't get all that interested in this. Just DON'T ruin my sport, Congress & Senate.)

GVGirl
02-18-2008, 12:43 PM
I have to admit, I've not been following this as closely as many others might be. And I'm curious what those who are following it think of Andy Pettitte.

I'm watching Andy Pettitte's news conference. He's coming off to me as a good guy. An honest guy who seems to be truly sorry about his part in all this. He appears authentically contrite.

I've always liked Andy and he has never wanted to be in be in the spotlight, one of the reasons that "the boss" was never too keen on him.

I give him credit for not just issuing a statement and leaving.

Darcy
02-18-2008, 12:53 PM
I think this whole thing is a sorry affair. I think it's likely that Clemens did use steroids, but the way he is being treated is hardly due process.

I think it all depends on whether or not you're a fan of his, which is pretty disgraceful in an of itself how you come down on this, along with the sad fact that the guy who is being used as "proof" is a proven liar...many times over. And was "squeezed" to get this latest round of "truths". Nice.

Andy Pettite's recollections are way more damning, but again, to ruin a guy's career forever? I think more proof should be necessary.

But I kind of like to be persuaded by facts. That's just me. :p

nelslus
02-18-2008, 01:09 PM
I think this whole thing is a sorry affair. I think it's likely that Clemens did use steroids, but the way he is being treated is hardly due process.

I think it all depends on whether or not you're a fan of his, which is pretty disgraceful in an of itself how you come down on this, along with the sad fact that the guy who is being used as "proof" is a proven liar...many times over. And was "squeezed" to get this latest round of "truths". Nice.

Andy Pettite's recollections are way more damning, but again, to ruin a guy's career forever? I think more proof should be necessary.

But I kind of like to be persuaded by facts. That's just me. :p

Innocent before being proven guilty? YOU TALKIN' CRAZY NOW.

I'll tell you- on the one hand, I can get that we don't want our sports stars influencing kids to use steroids and all. And it's deeply unfair for non-juicing athletes to have to compete with juicers and all that.

Still- I just cannot think that this all smacks of hypocrisy. We WANT these athletes to break records, hit the home runs, win those races, put their blood, sweat and tears into every game that they play. Look how we jump on any player NOT giving 110% on the court with OUR sport. THEN- we turn around and attack them when they do EVERYTHING, and I do mean EVERYTHING that they can to compete and win......Let's face it, I am quite certain that plenty of players juice. Or use cocaine like Hingis. Or whatever.

I just cannot help feeling, again- PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM MY TENNIS. Truth be told- I do NOT want to know the truth with tennis. STAY OUT. Let me live in my dream world, please, and LEAVE ME and THEM ALONE.

Darcy
02-18-2008, 01:17 PM
Innocent before being proven guilty? YOU TALKIN' CRAZY NOW.



I know! It's just more crazy talk from yours truly. The congressional hearing was beyond a farce. This is hearsay. Period. And when someone brings up the creepy so-called fact of the blood, needles, and gauze, I first say "Who would save such things?"...and then I say "Let's see what forensics say about these things...it's just a little too convenient for me.

On the added topic...not sure I agree with you nelslus, but in the case of MLB, there very much was a period of time when the league turned a blind eye to this, and now expects the players to hang. Just stinks all around.
What they really should have done is instituted tough policies and said that there was no way to go back and police this. Instead, we have a bunch of question marks and asterisks. Rumors and ruined careers. Sad.

So, if there are juicers in tennis, at least we can say that they are very much aware of the policy - and the penalty, right?

nelslus
02-18-2008, 01:27 PM
I know! It's just more crazy talk from yours truly. The congressional hearing was beyond a farce. This is hearsay. Period. And when someone brings up the creepy so-called fact of the blood, needles, and gauze, I first say "Who would save such things?"...and then I say "Let's see what forensics say about these things...it's just a little too convenient for me.

On the added topic...not sure I agree with you nelslus, but in the case of MLB, there very much was a period of time when the league turned a blind eye to this, and now expects the players to hang. Just stinks all around.
What they really should have done is instituted tough policies and said that there was no way to go back and police this. Instead, we have a bunch of question marks and asterisks. Rumors and ruined careers. Sad.

So, if there are juicers in tennis, at least we can say that they are very much aware of the policy - and the penalty, right?

Heck, MLB turned a blind eye with Babe Ruth- why stop now?

Oh- and I actually do agree, that something should have been done about steroids a LONG time ago. (And don't mind me about tennis- I'm just squirrely about my tennis.) When I talk of hypocrisy- please don't think that this means that I would ever condone steroids nor REALLY condone turning a blind eye except-for-tennis-darn-it. BUT- it just irks me when folks get all high and mighty about this now- when all of this has been going on for QUITE some time. And I do think that part of the problem IS the audience. Again, we want the heroics- but I just think that many would rather turn a blind eye and not know the price that was being paid for these super-human sports achievements. (PLEASE- TELL me these Tour of France guys have been doing all of their stuff without, ahem, some help.) How could anyone NOT see what was going on just by looking at these players/athletes? I think that folks could be quite disappointed with their sports if they do manage to purge steroids and all that. The games might not look so awesome anymore.

Darcy
02-18-2008, 01:37 PM
This is just for you, nelslus! Someone has been circulating this, and I thought it was clever - and now SO appropriate, given your comments(!!):


Clemens: You want answers?
Congressman: I think I'm entitled to them.
Clemens: You want answers?
Congressman: I want the truth!
Clemens: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has baseballs. And those balls have to be hit by men with bats. Who's gonna do it? You? You,Congressman? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for steroids and you curse HGH. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that HGH, while illegal, probably sells tickets. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, sells tickets...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that mound. You need me on that mound. We use words like fastall, slider, splitfinger...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent playing a sport. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and falls asleep to the Sportscenter clips I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a bat and dig in. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!
Congressman: Did you order the HGH?
Clemens: (quietly) I did the job you sent me to do.
Congressman: Did you order the HGH?
Clemens: You're goddamn right I did!!

dryrunguy
02-18-2008, 01:40 PM
This is just for you, nelslus! Someone has been circulating this, and I thought it was clever - and now SO appropriate, given your comments(!!):


Clemens: You want answers?
Congressman: I think I'm entitled to them.
Clemens: You want answers?
Congressman: I want the truth!
Clemens: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has baseballs. And those balls have to be hit by men with bats. Who's gonna do it? You? You,Congressman? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for steroids and you curse HGH. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that HGH, while illegal, probably sells tickets. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, sells tickets...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that mound. You need me on that mound. We use words like fastall, slider, splitfinger...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent playing a sport. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and falls asleep to the Sportscenter clips I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a bat and dig in. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!
Congressman: Did you order the HGH?
Clemens: (quietly) I did the job you sent me to do.
Congressman: Did you order the HGH?
Clemens: You're goddamn right I did!!

:hyst::hyst::hyst:

Dry

nelslus
02-18-2008, 01:40 PM
This is just for you, nelslus! Someone has been circulating this, and I thought it was clever - and now SO appropriate, given your comments(!!):


Clemens: You want answers?
Congressman: I think I'm entitled to them.
Clemens: You want answers?
Congressman: I want the truth!
Clemens: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has baseballs. And those balls have to be hit by men with bats. Who's gonna do it? You? You,Congressman? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for steroids and you curse HGH. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that HGH, while illegal, probably sells tickets. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, sells tickets...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that mound. You need me on that mound. We use words like fastall, slider, splitfinger...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent playing a sport. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and falls asleep to the Sportscenter clips I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a bat and dig in. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!
Congressman: Did you order the HGH?
Clemens: (quietly) I did the job you sent me to do.
Congressman: Did you order the HGH?
Clemens: You're goddamn right I did!!

Don't know whether to :hyst: or :cry:. LOVE it, though.

Playa C
02-18-2008, 08:34 PM
Roger Clemens fan in the house...Listen, he might have done it but there is no way you can believe McNamee and Pettite is a cheater as well. In this great country called AMERica we are innocent until proven guilty...to this day he has yet to be proven guilty but ESPN has practically sentenced him and has made his life a living hell which truly saddens me.

craighickman
02-18-2008, 09:18 PM
Roger Clemens fan in the house...Listen, he might have done it but there is no way you can believe McNamee and Pettite is a cheater as well. In this great country called AMERica we are innocent until proven guilty...to this day he has yet to be proven guilty but ESPN has practically sentenced him and has made his life a living hell which truly saddens me.

If only the US criminal justice system applied this principle more often.

Ti-Amie
02-27-2008, 10:48 AM
Congress will ask Justice to investigate Clemens
7-time Cy Young winner suspected of lying under oath to House committee
The Associated Press
updated 1:11 p.m. ET, Wed., Feb. 27, 2008


WASHINGTON - Congress asked the Justice Department to investigate whether Roger Clemens “committed perjury and made knowingly false statements” to a House committee.

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee chairman Henry Waxman and ranking Republican Tom Davis sent a letter to Attorney General Michael Mukasey on Wednesday. The two said Clemens’ statements in a Feb. 5 sworn deposition and at a Feb. 13 public hearing “that he never used anabolic steroids or human growth hormone warrants further investigation.”
“That testimony is directly contradicted by the sworn testimony of Brian McNamee, who testified that he personally injected Mr. Clemens with anabolic steroids and human growth hormone,” the congressmen wrote.
“Mr. Clemens’s testimony is also contradicted by the sworn deposition testimony and affidavit submitted to the committee by Andrew Pettitte, a former teammate of Mr. Clemens, whose testimony and affidavit reported that Mr. Clemens had admitted to him in 1999 or 2000 that he had taken human growth hormone.”

McNamee, Clemens’ former personal trainer, has told federal prosecutors, baseball investigator George Mitchell and Congress that he injected the seven-time Cy Young Award winner more than a dozen times with human growth hormone and steroids from 1998 to 2001. Clemens repeatedly and vigorously denied the allegations.

It was Clemens’ denials of McNamee’s allegations in the Mitchell Report that drew Congress’ attention.


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patrick
02-27-2008, 12:08 PM
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No surprise because I think he did it since Andy P had admitted to doing it.

Darcy
02-27-2008, 02:18 PM
Roger Clemens fan in the house...Listen, he might have done it but there is no way you can believe McNamee and Pettite is a cheater as well. In this great country called AMERica we are innocent until proven guilty...to this day he has yet to be proven guilty but ESPN has practically sentenced him and has made his life a living hell which truly saddens me.

Woohoo! There's at least two of us, then!

Agree wholeheartedly. Welcome! :cheesy:

Ti-Amie
02-28-2008, 12:11 PM
FBI begins perjury investigation of Clemens
7-time Cy Young winner suspected of lying under oath to House committee
The Associated Press
updated 2:43 p.m. ET, Thurs., Feb. 28, 2008

WASHINGTON - The FBI has begun investigating whether Roger Clemens lied to Congress when he denied taking steroids, officials said Thursday in the case of another baseball star snared in a long-running inquiry into drug use by professional athletes.

Clemens, the All-Star pitcher and seven-time Cy Young Award winner, maintains he has never used steroids or other performance-enhancing drugs. His former personal trainer, Brian McNamee, claims otherwise, testifying that he injected Clemens with human growth hormones and steroids at least 16 to 21 times from 1998 to 2001.
FBI agents in Washington opened the case a little more than two weeks after both Clemens and McNamee appeared at the same House hearing on Feb. 13, each accusing the other of lying. Three law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case, confirmed the inquiry had begun.

The inquiry, opened following a request Wednesday from the House Oversight Committee, could result in perjury or obstruction of justice charges against Clemens. Lawmakers did not ask for a similar investigation of McNamee.

Clemens was first identified as taking steroids in a December report by former Senate Democratic Leader George Mitchell, who looked at drug use in baseball. The Mitchell Report was the first public accounting of McNamee’s allegations that he injected Clemens with HGH and steroids. McNamee has since said he now thinks those numbers are too low.

Two of Clemens’ former New York Yankees teammates, Andy Pettitte and Chuck Knoblauch, have both acknowledged that McNamee was correct when he said they used performance enhancers.


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TennisAnyone74
02-28-2008, 07:41 PM
I have to admit, I've not been following this as closely as many others might be. And I'm curious what those who are following it think of Andy Pettitte.

I'm watching Andy Pettitte's news conference. He's coming off to me as a good guy. An honest guy who seems to be truly sorry about his part in all this. He appears authentically contrite.



I've always liked Andy, Kirkus. And I think he is genuinely sorry he juiced.

My one Andy Pettitte story. As you probably know, Andy lives outside of Houston. When he played for the Astros, both his son and my son played "little league" football for our respective small towns outside of Houston. Our town's teams played on saturday morning in his town. His son played for the sophomores (around 9 or 10) and mine for the juniors (around 10 or 11). So I had to be there during the sophomore game so my son could warm up with his team. While in the stands, I noticed people looking back and pointing at someone. Soon there were crowds around him and I asked who he was. It was Andy Pettitte. I took a good look and was shocked. I'd gone to numerous Astros games and saw Andy on the field and pictures of him and thought him an okay looking guy. But in person . . . Wow! He's tall, dark, and quite handsome. And he's a nice guy. See, the people in his town were used to seeing him (I believe he was on the disabled list, where he spent alot of time while on the Astros!), but my town wasn't. Even though he was trying to watch his son's game, he talked to everyone who said something to him and signed everything thrust in front of him. I just sat back and admired the view. So my opinion is that Andy is a stand-up, genuine guy, and I like him. If I were under oath and had to choose between telling the truth or lying for a friend, I'd choose the truth every time. I've told my friends this for at least 20 years!

TA