Predict 2008 top 8 B4 the end of '07

[GVGirl]

It's back! Feel free to predict who will make the TMC/WTF and YEC for 2008. Also discuss how you did with 2007's predictions.

[bea26]

It's back! Feel free to predict who will make the TMC/WTF and YEC for 2008. Also discuss how you did with 2007's predictions.

I can't remember who I predicted would win THIS YEC, much less last year's.

But for 2008, here goes.

ATP

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Roddick
5. Murray
6. Nalbandian
7. Berdych
8. Gasquet

WTA

1. Henin
2. Sharapova
3. Ivanovic
4. Dementieva
5. S. Williams
6. Kuznetsova
7. Jankovic
8. Vaidisova

[one_shot07]

ATP:
1.Federer
2.Djokovic
3.Nadal
4.Roddick
5.Nalbandian
6.Ferrer
7.Murray
8.Gasquet


WTA:
1.Henin
2.Serena
3.Maria
4.Ana I.
5.Venus
6.Kuznetsova
7.Vaidisova
8.Szavay

[munchin]

1. Nadal (someone's gotta go out on a limb)
2. Federer
3. Djokovic
4. Nalbandian
5. Ferrer
6. Roddick
7. Davydenko
8. Murray



1. Henin
2. Ivanovic
3. Sharapova
4. Kuznetsova
5. Jankovic
6. S. Williams
7. Vaidisova
8. V. Williams

[Madame]

ATP:
1.Federer
2.Djokovic
3.Nadal
4.Ferrer
5.Gasquet
6.Murray
7.Roddick
8.Nalbandian


WTA:
1.Henin
2.Ivanovic
3.Chakvetadze
4.Mauresmo
5.Jankovic
6.Vaidisova
7.Serena Williams
8.Golovin


I tried to be reasonable and put only 3 french, but maybe Paulo or Jo can get up in the Ten best ? ....

[JTContinental]

ATP

1. R. Federer
2. N. Djokovic
3. A. Roddick
4. D. Nalbandian
5. R. Nadal
6. D. Ferrer
7. A. Murray
8. J. Blake

WTA

1. S. Williams
2. J. Henin
3. M. Sharapova
4. V. Williams
5. A. Ivanovic
6. S. Kuznetsova
7. N. Vaidisova
8. A. Szavay

[rabbit]

ATP

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Ferrer
4. Nalbandian
5. Roddick
6. Davydenko
7. Gasquet
8. Murray
9. Djokovic
10. Monfils

Gulbis in 11-20

WTA

1. Henin
2. Jankovic
3. Sharapova
4. Ivanovic
5. S. Williams
6. Golovin
7. Vaidisova
8. V. Williams
9. Kuznetsova
10. A. Radwanska

[suliso]

ATP

Federer
Djokovic
Nadal
Murray
Roddick
Nalbandian
Ferrer
Ancic

WTA

Henin
Ivanovic
Sharapova
Vaidisova
S. Williams
Szavay
Kuznetsova
Jankovic

[shtexas]

I think the women are more difficult than the men.

[JTContinental]

Hmmm...seven lists, six without Chakvetadze

[suliso]

I think the women are more difficult than the men.

Probably, but the men are not straightforward either. I am sure there will be some surprises just like this year...

BTW I was the only one who had Djokovic in top 8 last December :D

[suliso]

Hmmm...seven lists, six without Chakvetadze

And most of them with only one Williams sister as well. Top 8 has only eight spots, so if someone moves in (Vaidisova and Szavay in my case) someone has to drop out as well...

[shtexas]

Men:

1. Federer
2. Djokovic
3. Roddick
4. Murray
5. Nadal
6. Gasquet
7. Nalbandian
8. Davydenko

Women:

1. Henin
2. Ivanovic
3. Sharapova
4. Vaidisova
5. Jankovic
6. Kuznetsova
7. S. Williams
8. Szavay

[oohsalmon]

This is a total crapshoot, but...

1. Federer
2. Nalbandian
3. Nadal
4. Davydenko
5. Djokovic
6. Roddick
7. Ferrer
8. Gasquet

1. V. Williams
2. Henin
3. Sharapova
4. Ivanovic
5. Szavay/Jankovic
6. S. Williams
7. Dementieva (wishful)
8. Vaidisova

[JTContinental]

And most of them with only one Williams sister as well. Top 8 has only eight spots, so if someone moves in (Vaidisova and Szavay in my case) someone has to drop out as well...

Yes, but I've come to expect no love for the Williams sisters, but I thought Anna was the darling of TAT.

[bea26]

Hmmm...seven lists, six without Chakvetadze

I think Anna benefited from others' misfortune. She's a great player but there were far fewer roadblocks in her path than there otherwise would be. If other players' health holds up, she should be grateful to stay in the top ten. Unless she shows a new color, which she could do.

[shtexas]

I think Anna benefited from others' misfortune. She's a great player but there were far fewer roadblocks in her path than there otherwise would be. If other players' health holds up, she should be grateful to stay in the top ten. Unless she shows a new color, which she could do.

I note so far only you and I have left Ferrer off our top 8. Are we crazy or crazy-smart?

[bea26]

I note so far only you and I have left Ferrer off our top 8. Are we crazy or crazy-smart?

I think crazy smart. Mine was no accident.

[shtexas]

I think crazy smart. Mine was no accident.

I haven't said it yet, because of Moose being a big fan, but I consider Ferrer's year like the time Bjorkman and Rusedski jumped into the top 5 - a one-year deal.

[kandi]

Men:

1. Federer
2. Djokovic
3. Roddick
4. Murray
5. Nadal
6. Gasquet
7. Nalbandian
8. Davydenko

Women:

1. Henin
2. Ivanovic
3. Sharapova
4. Chakvetadze
5. Jankovic
6. Kuznetsova
7. S. Williams
8. Szavay

you're right, this is hard --- hard to guess who will be on the "injured reserve" list by late in 2008 - LOL

Kandi

[bea26]

I haven't said it yet, because of Moose being a big fan, but I consider Ferrer's year like the time Bjorkman and Rusedski jumped into the top 5 - a one-year deal.

I won't tell if you don't.

I actually think Blake has a better shot at cracking the top 8 again, and he's not on my list either.

[Moose]

I haven't said it yet, because of Moose being a big fan, but I consider Ferrer's year like the time Bjorkman and Rusedski jumped into the top 5 - a one-year deal.

Well, David said he was the worst Top 100 player in history.

As much as I love him, he's one of two players I would say could win the Australian, or lose in the first two rounds. The other Daveed is the second.

[shtexas]

Well, David said he was the worst Top 100 player in history.

As much as I love him, he's one of two players I would say could win the Australian, or lose in the first two rounds. The other Daveed is the second.

My feeling is if he's going to win a major, it has to be now - the '08 Aussie. He will have cooled off by the spring.

Then again, Gaudio has a RG title. So, who knows...

[Moose]

My feeling is if he's going to win a major, it has to be now - the '08 Aussie. He will have cooled off by the spring.

Then again, Gaudio has a RG title. So, who knows...

If you ask him, clay's his best surface. I think you really need to take a wait and see attitude with him on red dirt this season, because he's playing with a new level of confidence. Given those retrieving skills, he should be a favorite at RG

[shtexas]

If you ask him, clay's his best surface. I think you really need to take a wait and see attitude with him on red dirt this season, because he's playing with a new level of confidence. Given those retrieving skills, he should be a favorite at RG

I know clay is his best surface, but I think his hot streak will be over by then. I could be wrong (never thought Davydenko would be in the top 5 this long) but it feels short term to me. Having confidence helps a lot, but it is not a cure-all.

Nalbandian is a more curious subject. He's been up there before, has seen a major final and is a career major semifinalist. He also has wins against Federer in a YEC and two Masters events. It's all there for him. If he does better than I think he will, I would not be as surprised.

[led14pa2]

Men:
1. Djokovic
2. Nadal
3. Federer
4. Ferrer
5. Nalbandian
6. Roddick
7. Davydenko
8. Murray

Women:
1. Henin
2. Sharapova
3. Kuznetsova
4. Ivanovic
5. Serena
6. Venus
7. Viadisova
8. Chakvetadze

[oohsalmon]

In my mind, so many Europeans and South Americans consider clay their best surface that it almost negates it. Sure you like clay most, but if everyone else does too, it's a wash.

[Charlie02123]

In my mind, so many Europeans and South Americans consider clay their best surface that it almost negates it. Sure you like clay most, but if everyone else does too, it's a wash.

Good point. As far as Ferrer goes I'm going to be paying attention to him next clay season, because he's performed so well on hard and says it isn't even his favorite surface.

If, after watching Federer win Wimbledon, he said clay was his favorite surface, I would certainly sit up and watch him the next time he played on clay. (This is assuming that I hadn't heard of Federer before, and is admittedly a terrible example.)

[JTContinental]

I note so far only you and I have left Ferrer off our top 8. Are we crazy or crazy-smart?

I have to admit that I only put him on there, because I had an extra slot that I couldn't decide.

[JTContinental]

I think Anna benefited from others' misfortune. She's a great player but there were far fewer roadblocks in her path than there otherwise would be. If other players' health holds up, she should be grateful to stay in the top ten. Unless she shows a new color, which she could do.

You know I agree with this. The summer hard court swing was very kind to her.

[dryrunguy]

Ah, what the hell...

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Murray :yikey:
4. Djokovic
5. Roddick
6. Nalbandian
7. Davydenko
8. Ferrer
9. Gasquet
10. Baghdatis
11. Karlovic :freekingout:

1. Henin :vomit:
2. Ivanovic
3. Jankovic
4. Sharapova :sick:
5. V Williams
6. Dementieva
7. Kuznetsova
8. Davenport:woohoo:
9. Mauresmo
10. Vaidisova
11. S Williams :ponder:

[evil_juju]

ATP

Federer
Nadal
Djokovic
Roddick
Ferrer
Nalbandian
Davydenko
Gasquet

WTA

S. Williams
Henin
Ivanovic
Sharapova
Kuznetsova
V.Williams
Jankovic
Sazvay

[dryrunguy]

Crap, I thought it was top 10... That's what I get for not fully absorbing the thread title... I guess I'll change it later tonight when I get back... Not sure how I'm going to justify getting Dr. Ivo up to my "bubbling under the top" #9 spot... That seems a stretch.

Dry

[Tscott415]

ATP:
1. Federer
2. Djokovic
3. Nadal
4. Murray
5. Davydenko
6. Roddick
7. Gasquet
8. Haas...

WTA:
1. Henin
2. Jankovic
3. Sharapova
4. Ivanovic
5. Chakvetadze
6. Kuznetsova
7. Szavay
8. Vaidisova

[Jessie181]

1. V. Williams
2. Henin
3. Sharapova
4. Ivanovic
5. Szavay or Jankovic
6. S. Williams
7. Dementieva (wishful)
8. Vaidisova
I like your wta list ;):cheesy: also, you can't have two people in one spot, silly ;) )

anywho, mine:

ATP
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Nalbandian
5. Murray
6. Davydenko
7. Ferrer
8. Roddick

WTA:
1. Henin
2. Ivanovic
3. V. Williams
4. Sharapova
5. Jankovic
6. S. Williams
7. Szavay
8. Vaidisova

[bea26]

I like your wta list ;):cheesy: (also, you can't have two people in one spot ;))

anywho, mine:

ATP
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Nalbandian
5. Murray
6. Davydenko
7. Ferrer
8. Roddick

WTA:
1. Henin
2. V. Williams (wishful thinking)
3. Ivanovic
4. Sharapova
5. Jankovic
6. S. Williams
7. Szavay
8. Vaidisova

Well if we're doing wishful thinking...

ATP

1. Safin
2. Djokovic
3. Ancic
4. Youzhny
5. Tipsarevic
6. Isner
7. Federer
8. Young

WTA

1. Davenport
2. Sharapova
3. Peer
4. Petrova
5. Myskina
6. Mauresmo
7. Clijsters
8. Seles

[mmmm8]

Totally arbitrary, and I'm not touching the ATP, even though it's possibly less confusing

Ladies:
1. Henin
2. Sharapova
3. Ivanovic
4. S. Williams
5. Kuznetsova
6. Vaidisova
7. Chakvetadze
8. Dementieva
(9-20 in no particular order, Davenport, Petrova, Azarenka, Szavay, Safina, Jankovic, Schnyder, Hantuchova, Zvonareva, Li Na, Peer)

And I think Amelie is going to retire.

[Tscott415]

Totally arbitrary, and I'm not touching the ATP, even though it's possibly less confusing

Ladies:
1. Henin
2. Sharapova
3. Ivanovic
4. S. Williams
5. Kuznetsova
6. Vaidisova
7. Chakvetadze
8. Dementieva
(9-20 in no particular order, Davenport, Petrova, Azarenka, Szavay, Safina, Jankovic, Schnyder, Hantuchova, Zvonareva, Li Na, Peer)

And I think Amelie is going to retire.


i realy like that list...looks very possible and quite likely

[Charlie02123]

ATP
1. Federer
2. Djokovic
3. Roddick
4. Nalbandian
5. Nadal (I say he gets a significant injury.)
6. Ferrer
7. Davydenko
8. Murray
alt. Gasquet

WTA
1. Henin (sigh...)
2. Ivanovic
3. Sharapova
4. Kuznetsova
5. Jankovic
6. Vaidisova
7. Chakvetadze
8. V. Williams
alt. Bartoli

I'll make changes after finals.

[jjnow]

Meh, these should be laughable come next year. :rolleyes: It's near impossible to do these without bias interfering.

ATP
1) Roger Federer
2) Rafael Nadal
3) Andy Roddick
4) David Nalbandian
5) Andy Murray
6) Novak Djokovic
7) Nikolay Davydenko
8) Tomas Berdych

WTA
1) Serena Williams (sue me)
2) Justine Henin
3) Maria Sharapova
4) Venus Williams
5) Svetlana Kuznetsova
6) Ana Ivanovic
7) Jelena Jankovic
8) Lindsay Davenport

[Charlie02123]

ATP
6) Novak Djokovic


I haven't looked at all of the results, but I imagine you must be in the minority for weather Djokovic will be in the top three or not. Do you have a reason for putting him at six? I put Nadal low because I think he'll get injured. Do you think Novak will get injured, or have a sophomore slump? I'm intrigued.

[oohsalmon]

I haven't looked at all of the results, but I imagine you must be in the minority for weather Djokovic will be in the top three or not. Do you have a reason for putting him at six? I put Nadal low because I think he'll get injured. Do you think Novak will get injured, or have a sophomore slump? I'm intrigued.

As someone who has him at #5, I think the Serb bubble is going to burst in 2008.

[pingponger]

I'm embracing my bias and running with it...

ATP:
1. Federer
2. Roddick
3. Djokovic
4. Nalbandian
5. Nadal
6. Murray
7. Davydenko
8. Canas

WTA:
1. Henin
2. Sharapova
3. V. Williams
4. Ivanovic
5. S. Williams
6. Davenport
7. Kuznetsova
8. Jankovic

:bowing:

[mmmm8]

I'm embracing my bias and running with it...

ATP:
1. Federer
2. Roddick
3. Djokovic
4. Nalbandian
5. Nadal
6. Murray
7. Davydenko
8. Canas


you know Canas is out till April, right?

[jjnow]

I haven't looked at all of the results, but I imagine you must be in the minority for weather Djokovic will be in the top three or not. Do you have a reason for putting him at six? I put Nadal low because I think he'll get injured. Do you think Novak will get injured, or have a sophomore slump? I'm intrigued.
Along the lines of what salmon is thinking, Charlie. I'm predicting a minor slump from Novak next year. Good results, but not stellar.

jj

[aedra1119]

Considering I thought Safin would end at number 4 for this year, I'm not putting much stock in this. :rolleyes:

ATP:
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Murray
4. Djokovic
5. Roddick
6. Nalbandian
7. Gasquet
8. Youzhny

WTA:
1. Henin
2. S. Williams
3. Sharapova
4. Ivanovic
5. Vaidisova
6. V. Williams
7. Jankovic
8. Golovin

I had a very hard time deciding on the women. Oh well!

[pingponger]

I'm embracing my bias and running with it...

ATP:
1. Federer
2. Roddick
3. Djokovic
4. Nalbandian
5. Nadal
6. Murray
7. Davydenko
8. Canas

WTA:
1. Henin
2. Sharapova
3. V. Williams
4. Ivanovic
5. S. Williams
6. Davenport
7. Kuznetsova
8. Jankovic

:bowing:



you know Canas is out till April, right?

I do now. Man, I've been out of the loop.

8. Canas Baghdatis

[tobiasfunke]

ATP:
1. Federer
2. Djokovic
3. Nadal
4. Nalbandian
5. Roddick
6. Murray
7. Gasquet
8. Ferrer

WTA:
1. Henin
2. Sharapova
3. Ivanovic
4. Jankovic
5. S. Williams
6. Vaidisova
7. Kuznetsova
8. Golovin (or Szavay or Chakvetadze or Venus or whoever else because this was really hard)

[munchin]

I couldn't comment on the other thread, but I was shocked at how high people thought Roddick was gonna be this year. I guess the US Open final and almost beating Roger made people forget about the clay court season?

[suliso]

I couldn't comment on the other thread, but I was shocked at how high people thought Roddick was gonna be this year. I guess the US Open final and almost beating Roger made people forget about the clay court season?

For him clay court season is irrelevant. One could easily be #2 (or even #1) without winning a single match on clay (or grass).

[munchin]

For him clay court season is irrelevant. One could easily be #2 (or even #1) without winning a single match on clay (or grass).


Easily!?!? Without winning a single match from april-june!?!?! If it were to happen, I doubt there'd be anything easy about it.

[suliso]

Easily!?!? Without winning a single match from april-june!?!?! If it were to happen, I doubt there'd be anything easy about it.

I was exaggerating a bit, but Andy Roddick finished 2004 as #2 while winning only 5 matches on clay (4 in Houston and 1 at RG)

[Moose]

I think the Serb bubble is going to burst in 2008.

I'll remind you that you said that after Ana and Novak win their first Slams this year, and both finish #2 in their respective Associations.

[oohsalmon]

I'll remind you that you said that after Ana and Novak win their first Slams this year, and both finish #2 in their respective Associations.

I'll look forward to that. :)

But I would love for Ilia and Jelena to do some damage :)

[Moose]

I'll look forward to that. :)

But I would love for Ilia and Jelena to do some damage :)

Jelena? I think Dokic might take another year or two, but girl's got the best heiney in tennis some promise

[Jessie181]

Jelena? I think Dokic might take another year or two, but girl's got the best heiney in tennis some promise

LMAO :p

[bea26]

I'll remind you that you said that after Ana and Novak win their first Slams this year, and both finish #2 in their respective Associations.

So Ana, Jelena, Novak, Tatiana and Kim are on a burning bus careening off a cliff and you can only save two. Who dies?

[oohsalmon]

So Ana, Jelena, Novak, Tatiana and Kim are on a burning bus careening off a cliff and you can only save two. Who dies?

I'm guessing anybody who tries to get themselves involved with a burning bus careening off a cliff.

[bea26]

I'm guessing anybody who tries to get themselves involved with a burning bus careening off a cliff.

It happens. It happened on a soap. The whole town, WOOSH, off the cliff. End of show. The longer he takes to reply, the better chance they all go down. :shocked:

[GVGirl]

back to the predictions people. It seems as though you are recreating a tennis version of the "Bridge of San Luis Rey" with this bus thing.

[bea26]

back to the predictions people. It seems as though you are recreating a tennis version of the "Bridge of San Luis Rey" with this bus thing.

Curses, foiled again. I'll get them someday Moose. And your little Ferrer too.

[Jack]

I've given this a lot of almost no thought... because these things are crapshoots anyway.

1. Schultz-McCarthy
2. K. Bondarenko
3. Wade
4. A. Bondarenko
5. Shue
6. Henin
7. Clijsters
8. Evert Lloyd Mill Norman

[GVGirl]

I've given this a lot of almost no thought... because these things are crapshoots anyway.

1. Schultz-McCarthy
2. K. Bondarenko
3. Wade
4. A. Bondarenko
5. Shue
6. Henin
7. Clijsters
8. Evert Lloyd Mill Norman

You forgot Michelle De Brito. lol

[bea26]

I've given this a lot of almost no thought... because these things are crapshoots anyway.

1. Schultz-McCarthy
2. K. Bondarenko
3. Wade
4. A. Bondarenko
5. Shue
6. Henin
7. Clijsters
8. Evert Lloyd Mill Norman

Wade! You can't have someone on your top 8 AND your death pool!

[GVGirl]

Wade! You can't have someone on your top 8 AND your death pool!

ROFL!!!!

[dryrunguy]

Wade! You can't have someone on your top 8 AND your death pool!

Who says?

Dry

[bea26]

Who says?

Dry

Not a word out of you. I know what other lists you have her on. :tisk:

[mmmm8]

I've given this a lot of almost no thought... because these things are crapshoots anyway.

1. Schultz-McCarthy
2. K. Bondarenko
3. Wade
4. A. Bondarenko
5. Shue
6. Henin
7. Clijsters
8. Evert Lloyd Mill Norman


Camille Pin plans her whole year around making you happy, and you repay her by kicking her out of the YEC!

Also, it's, of course, Evert Lloyd Mill Norman Jones

Also, Virginia or Dwyane? (I just now noticed that's how he spells it)

[Jessie181]

Y'all are bad. :tisk:

get back to predicting your picks for this contest :)


by the way, I think he would let Tatiana die. He's too in love with the Serbian chicks, he'd NEVER pick Kim to be the one to die, and he'd want Novak for, um, "other" reasons ;) So me thinks he'd let Tatiana go.:cool:

[JTContinental]

I couldn't comment on the other thread, but I was shocked at how high people thought Roddick was gonna be this year. I guess the US Open final and almost beating Roger made people forget about the clay court season?

On the flip side, I'm surprised how low everyone has him finishing in 2008, since he won't really have a phenomenal amount of points to defend this year.

[suliso]

On the flip side, I'm surprised how low everyone has him finishing in 2008, since he won't really have a phenomenal amount of points to defend this year.

How is the amount of points to be defended relevant to 2008 year end rankings? ;)

[JTContinental]

How is the amount of points to be defended relevant to 2008 year end rankings? ;)

D'oh, never mind...I'm being thick today. My brain hurts.

[Charlie02123]

How is the amount of points to be defended relevant to 2008 year end rankings? ;)

WHEN you are defending your points matters. Players whose points are mostly in the second half of the year are helped greatly. If someone has done well only at the end, like Nalbandian, he can rise in the rankings the first part of the year, and use confidence and a higher ranking to get better draws and results. So even if he doesn't defend his year end points, his 2008 year end ranking is helped greatly by how many points he was defending and when. (Federer has a higher chance to end 2008 number one because he'll have the easiest draws for at least the first part of the year... and he's pretty good).

That was stretching it and in no way negates your point; I'm just rambling.

[munchin]

On the flip side, I'm surprised how low everyone has him finishing in 2008, since he won't really have a phenomenal amount of points to defend this year.


But still, it's hard to see Andy spending large amounts of time in the top 4 when all the contenders can at least reasonably claim to play competently on all surfaces against top-flight competition (hell, even Davydenko was in the R16 of Wimbledon this year). There's just that much more pressure on Andy to perform at the beginning and end of the year and he still has to deal with...the top-flight competition. I don't see him back in the top 4 without some injuries or a major change in his clay-court game. But those, of course, are hardly impossibilities.

[JTContinental]

But still, it's hard to see Andy spending large amounts of time in the top 4 when all the contenders can at least reasonably claim to play competently on all surfaces against top-flight competition (hell, even Davydenko was in the R16 of Wimbledon this year). There's just that much more pressure on Andy to perform at the beginning and end of the year and he still has to deal with...the top-flight competition. I don't see him back in the top 4 without some injuries or a major change in his clay-court game. But those, of course, are hardly impossibilities.

I dunno...one Wimbledon final and a few good tournaments at the end of the year, and he's moving up. Plus, he was out the most of the clay court season with an injury, so I think he's got a chance to add points where others do not. I guess my point earlier was that mentally, he shouldn't be as taxed as Ferrer or Djokovic to maintain a top ranking since he kind of underperformed in the big tourneys this season.

[bea26]

Each and every American has plenty of chances to add to their points at RG. What an embarrassing first match for all, what, NINE of them?

[Charlie02123]

I dunno...one Wimbledon final and a few good tournaments at the end of the year, and he's moving up. Plus, he was out the most of the clay court season with an injury, so I think he's got a chance to add points where others do not. I guess my point earlier was that mentally, he shouldn't be as taxed as Ferrer or Djokovic to maintain a top ranking since he kind of underperformed in the big tourneys this season.

That's true. I'm hoping that his Davis Cup win will inspire him to not be a dumb ass on clay. Blake, I could care less about.

Hmm, now that I think about it, I can't remember how Andy did at all of the Masters series events. I'm guessing he can make up points at IW and Miami, but I don't remember if he played or how he did.

[munchin]

That's true. I'm hoping that his Davis Cup win will inspire him to not be a dumb ass on clay. Blake, I could care less about.

Hmm, now that I think about it, I can't remember how Andy did at all of the Masters series events. I'm guessing he can make up points at IW and Miami, but I don't remember if he played or how he did.


He lost to Nadal in the semis of one of them, I think and in the quarters of the other to someone he shoulda beat. He did only make the semis of that one Masters event this year, so if he can get it together, then great, but it's annoying how many people seem to have figured out how to play him well.

[Jack]

ATP:
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Murray
5. Nalbandian
6. Roddick
7. Davydenko
8. Monaco

WTA:
1. Henin
2. S. Williams
3. Sharapova
4. V. Williams
5. Ivanovic
6. Kuznetsova
7. Davenport
8. Chakvetadze

[craighickman]

ATP:
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Murray
5. Nalbandian
6. Roddick
7. Davydenko
8. Monaco



Bold choice. Believable too.

[Rowan]

Juan Monaco is pretty good for a daring choice. Dude's got game.

[Vlad]

ATP

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Nalbandian
5. Roddick
6. Ferrer
7. Gasquet
8. Murray




WTA

1. Justine
2. Maria S.
3. Ana I.
4. Jelena J.
5. Sveta K.
6. Tatiana G.
7. Anna Chaks
8. Nicole V.

[Vlad]

I see a lot of you picking Murray to be in top 3-4-5 next year... whats the deal with that?


He can't beat players from his generation (yet at least)..

He is:

0-2 against Nadal

0-3 against Djokovic

0-2 against Gasquet

0-2 against Baghdatis

1-1 against Berdych



Unless he improves and actually starts beating these players, I can't see him higher then top 6-7.

[dryrunguy]

I see a lot of you picking Murray to be in top 3-4-5 next year... whats the deal with that?


He can't beat players from his generation (yet at least)..

He is:

0-2 against Nadal

0-3 against Djokovic

0-2 against Gasquet

0-2 against Baghdatis

1-1 against Berdych



Unless he improves and actually starts beating these players, I can't see him higher then top 6-7.

For me, it was a few things put together: 1) With Gilbert gone, there's new hope; 2) I'm not sure Djokovic is going to hold it together, his success in 2007 could catch up with him in 2008; 3) I have a lot of doubts about everyone else; and 4) He DOES have an accidental win over Federer, so that's worth something, even if Roger didn't really show up.

Dry

[Jessie181]

Curses, foiled again. I'll get them someday Moose. And your little Ferrer too.

I look at this post, look at your avatar, and giggle a little. lol

[bea26]

I look at this post, look at your avatar, and giggle a little. lol

Funny, I didn't hear Moose laughing...

[Jack]

I see a lot of you picking Murray to be in top 3-4-5 next year... whats the deal with that?


He can't beat players from his generation (yet at least)..

He is:

0-2 against Nadal

0-3 against Djokovic

0-2 against Gasquet

0-2 against Baghdatis

1-1 against Berdych



Unless he improves and actually starts beating these players, I can't see him higher then top 6-7.

He was ranked #11 this year, having played only 16 events (a few of which he was far under 100%), and missing two Slams. Plus, if you look at his record against other top players - Federer, Davydenko, Roddick, Gonzalez, Ferrer - he's .500 or better against all of them.

[munchin]

He was ranked #11 this year, having played only 16 events (a few of which he was far under 100%), and missing two Slams. Plus, if you look at his record against other top players - Federer, Davydenko, Roddick, Gonzalez, Ferrer - he's .500 or better against all of them.


Plus, Nikolay Davydenko has been in the top 4 and 5 for a couple years now and he has absolutely atrocious records against pretty much everyone else in the top ten. It's entirely feasible that Murray can make a good run at the top 5 next year without dominating those other young players. He'll obviously need a strong clay court season, which I think he's capable of...given some merciful draws.

[Charlie02123]

Plus, Nikolay Davydenko has been in the top 4 and 5 for a couple years now and he has absolutely atrocious records against pretty much everyone else in the top ten.

Against Federer, Nadal, and Roddick, but not everyone.

He's never played Djokovic.
1-1 against Ferrer.
4-0 against Gonzalez.
1-1 against Gasquet.
3-5 against Nalbandian.
4-1 against Robredo.

That's 13-8 against 6 of the other top ten. Terrible record against the other 3, but not everyone.

[Charlie02123]

He's 2-2 against 11th ranked Murray, and 6-0 against 12th ranked Berdych. Terrible against 13th Blake, though, bad match up.

[Charlie02123]

He's 2-2 against 11th ranked Murray, and 6-0 against 12th ranked Berdych. Terrible against 13th Blake, though, bad match up.

Sorry, Berdych is 14th. Haas is 12th, and Davydenko is 3-1 against him.

[munchin]

Against Federer, Nadal, and Roddick, but not everyone.

He's never played Djokovic.
1-1 against Ferrer.
4-0 against Gonzalez.
1-1 against Gasquet.
3-5 against Nalbandian.
4-1 against Robredo.

That's 13-8 against 6 of the other top ten. Terrible record against the other 3, but not everyone.


What I meant was that Davydenko, since he's been a major player, has not had a great record against many top players (or period, if you look at it. He was 53-31 this year...) and that he provides evidence that Andy Murray could reach a similar peak in the rankings without great records against the Nadals, the Gasquets, etc. And Nikolay can't keep this up forever. I don't think 2008 is going to be especially great for him. Murray, hopefully, is on the ascendancy.

[Charlie02123]

What I meant was that Davydenko, since he's been a major player, has not had a great record against many top players (or period, if you look at it. He was 53-31 this year...) and that he provides evidence that Andy Murray could reach a similar peak in the rankings without great records against the Nadals, the Gasquets, etc. And Nikolay can't keep this up forever. I don't think 2008 is going to be especially great for him. Murray, hopefully, is on the ascendancy.

Out of the rest of the top 12, Davydenko is .500 or above against 7 of the 11. He, like the rest of the world with a few exceptions, doesn't have a good record against the top two, and, like the rest of the world with no exceptions, he has some players that he doesn't match up well against (Roddick and Blake).

His record against other high ranked players and in general is deceptively low because of his scheduling strategy. Players like Federer play sparingly in order to avoid losses, but players like Davydenko plays as much as possible to get his ranking points. He has more losses because he wears himself out. For ranking points, wins is ALL that counts. Losses only affect your reputation.

[Charlie02123]

For ranking points, wins is ALL that counts. Losses only affect your reputation.

For example, a man with a 70-50 record is gauranteed to be higher ranked than a man with a 30-6 record.

[munchin]

Out of the rest of the top 12, Davydenko is .500 or above against 7 of the 11. He, like the rest of the world with a few exceptions, doesn't have a good record against the top two, and, like the rest of the world with no exceptions, he has some players that he doesn't match up well against (Roddick and Blake).

His record against other high ranked players and in general is deceptively low because of his scheduling strategy. Players like Federer play sparingly in order to avoid losses, but players like Davydenko plays as much as possible to get his ranking points. He has more losses because he wears himself out. For ranking points, wins is ALL that counts. Losses only affect your reputation.


That's what I'm saying. I don't think he can keep it up for much longer and I think we'll see him slip this year. I'm not trying to disparage Nikolay, I'm just saying Murray is as good a bet as any to take his spot when he starts to falter (which I think will be sooner than later).

[munchin]

For example, a man with a 70-50 record is gauranteed to be higher ranked than a man with a 30-6 record.


I don't think guarantee is the right word, but I get your point.

[Charlie02123]

That's what I'm saying. I don't think he can keep it up for much longer and I think we'll see him slip this year. I'm not trying to disparage Nikolay, I'm just saying Murray is as good a bet as any to take his spot when he starts to falter (which I think will be sooner than later).

I agree that I think his days of being in the top 5 are limited. I put him at 7 for the year end 2008. I just don't think he's overranked right now. I know you didn't specifically say that, but I think that's a common thought among fans, and it bothers me.

[munchin]

I agree that I think his days of being in the top 5 are limited. I put him at 7 for the year end 2008. I just don't think he's overranked right now. I know you didn't specifically say that, but I think that's a common thought among fans, and it bothers me.


Yeah, I wouldn't say he's overranked. I think there are players below him that are playing better at this point in time, but on a 52-week rolling calendar, he's not overranked. He's right where he should be. But if Ferrer and Nalbandian have the 2008 that they've hinted at having and Murray and Roddick play to their abilities, I see him struggling to stay anywhere near that #4 spot. The thing is, there were similar "ifs" last year and the year before and he's finished 3 and 4 respectively, so you never know.

[mmmm8]

While part of why he's ranked highly is because he plays so much, the major reason is just that he does so well in slams. So, even if he wears himself out and stops being able to play a lot, I don't see him dropping out of top 10 next year, barring serious injury or those unfortunate legal matters.

[munchin]

While part of why he's ranked highly is because he plays so much, the major reason is just that he does so well in slams. So, even if he wears himself out and stops being able to play a lot, I don't see him dropping out of top 10 next year, barring serious injury or those unfortunate legal matters.


You think he will repeat (improve?) his slam results next year?

[mmmm8]

You think he repeat (improve?) his slam results next year?

Probably not, but he's likely to do well enough and do better than this year in non-slams to stay around top 5 (but probably on the lower side of around).

[suliso]

Probably not, but he's likely to do well enough and do better than this year in non-slams to stay around top 5 (but probably on the lower side of around).

That's assuming Roger and Rafa will continue to dominate as much as they did this year. If that's not the case, better results will be needed to stay in top 5.

I think he will finish 8-10.

[rabbit]

Probably not, but he's likely to do well enough and do better than this year in non-slams to stay around top 5 (but probably on the lower side of around).

I predict that Davydenko is going to beat Federer once next year. I'd hate to see it, but given their uncomfortable matches and given Federer's tendency to be lax in non-Slam tournaments, I think it is a very realistic possibility.

[rabbit]

I predict that Davydenko is going to beat Federer once next year. I'd hate to see it, but given their uncomfortable matches and given Federer's tendency to be lax in non-Slam tournaments, I think it is a very realistic possibility.

A followup question: who do you predict will beat Roger in 2008?

[munchin]

A followup question: who do you predict will beat Roger in 2008?


Rafa at least twice, Novak at least once, Nalbandian if they play much. Anything else will be a surprise (either minor (e.g. Canas #1) or major (e.g. Canas #2)), as it has been the last few years.

[oohsalmon]

A followup question: who do you predict will beat Roger in 2008?

Either O. Rochus or I. Karlovic.

[rabbit]

Novak at least once

Come on, that loss was only to get information on Novak!

[munchin]

Come on, that loss was only to get information on Novak!


haha, you're right. I forgot about the skills of analysis possessed by the FedeRobot.

[bea26]

Come on, that loss was only to get information on Novak!

Like how to lose to him. Mission accomplished! :)

[Rowan]

I think Lleyton Hewitt might snap his losing streak and beat Federer next year. Not in a slam, but in best of three sets I believe he could do it once.

I'm thinking Lleyton will have a great year next year. The recent news has said he's training hard with Tony Roche and is in fine form, but I guess they always say that before the Australian Open. Still, I believe the hype. I'm gonna predict Hewitt gets back in the top 5 and qualifies for the championships.

[Charlie02123]

I predict that Davydenko is going to beat Federer once next year. I'd hate to see it, but given their uncomfortable matches and given Federer's tendency to be lax in non-Slam tournaments, I think it is a very realistic possibility.

I love you.

[munchin]

I think Lleyton Hewitt might snap his losing streak and beat Federer next year. Not in a slam, but in best of three sets I believe he could do it once.

I'm thinking Lleyton will have a great year next year. The recent news has said he's training hard with Tony Roche and is in fine form, but I guess they always say that before the Australian Open. Still, I believe the hype. I'm gonna predict Hewitt gets back in the top 5 and qualifies for the championships.


If he does well on this new Aussie Open surface, I'll agree with most of that. That'll be a good confidence boost. He won't be in the top 5, though.

[Rowan]

Hewitt's one of those guys I can see going deep into lots of tournaments, including the big ones. He'll make heaps of quarters and semis, maybe get to a few finals, and then next thing you know he's back in the top 10, maybe even top 5. And while he may get stopped when he runs into Federer, it's not too crazy to imagine him getting past Nadal, Djokovic, Roddick and others is it?

[munchin]

Hewitt's one of those guys I can see going deep into lots of tournaments, including the big ones. He'll make heaps of quarters and semis, maybe get to a few finals, and then next thing you know he's back in the top 10, maybe even top 5. And while he may get stopped when he runs into Federer, it's not too crazy to imagine him getting past Nadal, Djokovic, Roddick and others is it?


I'd say it's at the intersection of "not crazy" and "not likely." Those guys are all better right now than Lleyton is. But given the right circumstances, it's completely possible.

[Rowan]

Well said, I agree with that. Whatever happens with Lleyton's season next year I hope we get to see him play the top guys a lot. It's always exciting to see Hewitt's name next to a top player in the draw.

[rabbit]

A followup question: who do you predict will beat Roger in 2008?

My answer: other than possibly Davydenko, nobody! One can always hope...:cheesy:

[munchin]

Well said, I agree with that. Whatever happens with Lleyton's season next year I hope we get to see him play the top guys a lot. It's always exciting to see Hewitt's name next to a top player in the draw.


Oh yeah, I love watching him play. It's amazing how much I love watch players whose personalities are so abrasive to me. Hewitt and Nalbandian and Coria are just heaven for me. Speaking of Coria....he will NOT be in the top 8 next year.

[jkfriedman]

last year I made the top 8 and competed in the YEC. I hope to do as well for 2008.

ATP
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Ferrer
5. Roddick
6. Davydenko
7. Baghdatis
8. Monaco

WTA

1. Henin
2. Ivanovic
3. Golovin
4. Peer
5. Dementieva
6. S. Williams
7. Jankovic
8. Vaidisova

Anything or anybody can happen this season in the WTA

[JTContinental]

If he does well on this new Aussie Open surface, I'll agree with most of that. That'll be a good confidence boost. He won't be in the top 5, though.

Lleyton seems to me to be less interested in tennis and more into his family right now, which is not a bad thing. Now I can see what drew him and Kimmy together in the first place. However, I don't think he'll be a big factor on the tour this year, and he's my top candidate for a member of the old guard retiring in the next year or so.

[munchin]

last year I made the top 8 and competed in the YEC. I hope to do as well for 2008.



...is that you, Justine?

[e11even]

ATP
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Davydenko
5. Roddick
6. Ferrer
7. Nalbandian
8. Gasquet

WTA
1. Henin
2. Sharapova
3. Ivanovic
4. Kuznetsova
5. Jankovic
6. S. Williams
7. Golovin
8. Vaidisova

[Charlie02123]

Bump!

Is this a contest?

[Jessie181]

Bump!

Is this a contest?

yep

[Charlie02123]

yep

Last year we had one contest like this only for ATP, that ended in the top 8 predicting the masters cup. Now it seems like we've split the contest in two (which is great!). So... how does this one work?

[GVGirl]

This thread is purely for fun, just like last years.:)
http://www.talkabouttennis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8631

Deadline 12/31/07

See the threads:
Run to the Masters
http://www.talkabouttennis.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=82

Race to the YEC
http://www.talkabouttennis.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=83

[Jessie181]

This thread is purely for fun, just like last years.:)
http://www.talkabouttennis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8631

Deadline 12/31/07

See the threads:
Run to the Masters
http://www.talkabouttennis.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=82

Race to the YEC
http://www.talkabouttennis.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=83

Yep.

I thought I did worse last year than I actually did. Still, Sharapova as no.1. What was I thinking? :p

[Charlie02123]

Bump!

Is this a contest?



yep



This thread is purely for fun, just like last years.:)
http://www.talkabouttennis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8631




Yep.

Ha ha ha! I feel like I'm in King of the Hill.

[Drop-shot]

ATP
1- Federer
2- Nadal
3- Djokovic
4- Nalbandian
5- Roddick
6- Davudenko
7- Murray
8- Ferrer

WTA
1- Henin
2- Ivanovic
3- Sharapova
4- Kuznetsova
5- Jankovic
6- S.Williams
7- V. Williams
8- Peer

[GVGirl]

bumping for ibk77.

Looks like it's ok now, just moved it to the Tennis boards. Enjoy!:)

This thread will close 12/31/07!

[Aziza]

ATP

Federer
Nalbandian
Djokovic
Nadal
Baghdatis
Youzhny
Gasquet
Davydenko

WTA

Henin
Kuznetsova
S.Williams
Sharapova
V.Williams
Ivanovic
Jankovic
Zvonareva

[igorwright]

1.Federer
2.Djokovic
3.Nadal
4.Murray
5.Davydenko
6.Gasquet
7.Baghdatis
8.Berdych

1.Henin
2.Serena
3.Venus
4.Ivanovic
5.Jankovic
6.Mauresmo
7.Chakvetadze
8.Vaidisova

[mysterX]

ATP

Federer
Nadal
Djokovic
Roddick
Murray
Nalbandian
Gasquet
Verdasco

WTA

Henin
Venus
Sharapova
Ivanovic
Kuznetsova
Mauresmo
Serena
Vaidisova

[GVGirl]

Only a couple of days left to post, then I'll close the thread until the end of next year.

[Moose]

1. Djokovic
2. Federer
3. Nadal
4. Nalbandian
5. Gasquet
6. Ferrer
7. Murray
8. Roddick


1. Henin
2. Ivanovic
3. Sharapova
4. Jankovic
5. Chakvetadze
6. Szavay
7. Kuznetsova
8. Golovin

[awkw4rd nub]

Federer
Nadal
Roddick
Djokovic
Murray
Gasquet
Davydenko
Nalbandian


Henin
Sharapova
Serena
Ivanovic
Kuznetsova
Jankovic
Venus
Golovin

[Charlie02123]

1. Djokovic
2. Federer


Oh my.

[kayce]

1. Rafael Nadal
2. Novak Djokovic
3. Roger Federer
4. Andy Roddick
5. Andy Murray
6. David Ferrer
7. Richard Gasquet
8. David Nalbandian

1. Justine Henin
2. Jelena Jankovic
3. Ana Ivanovic
4. Anna Chakvetadze
5. Svetlana Kuznetsova
6. Nicole Vaidisova
6. Tatiana Golovin


I'm picking the drop of Federer... Not that I don't say that will happen every year.

[Charlie02123]

1. Djokovic
2. Federer

1. Henin
2. Ivanovic
...
4. Jankovic
...
8. Golovin




2. Novak Djokovic
3. Roger Federer

1. Justine Henin
2. Jelena Jankovic
3. Ana Ivanovic
...
6. Tatiana Golovin


Moose, meet Kayce. Kayce, Moose. You two should get along famously. :)

[Scotty]

ATP:
1. Roger Federer
2. Rafael Nadal
3. David Ferrer
4. Novak Djokovic
5. David Nalbandian
6. Andy Roddick
7. Andy Murray
8. Richard Gasquet

WTA:
1. Justine Henin
2. Maria Sharapova
3. Ana Ivanovic
4. Serena Williams
5. Jelena Jankovic
6. Venus Williams
7. Amelie Mauresmo
8. Tatiana Golovin

[Moose]

Moose, meet Kayce. Kayce, Moose. You two should get along famously. :)


Awesome!

But my gawd, Roger has been #1 in the world for what, 13 years? And has 246 Slams, and counting?

Every great player has had to cope with injury, a letdown season, or the like. And Roger is indeed great, but he is not superhuman. And given Rafa's own health issues, I think Novak is the one that is ready to capitalize. If he plays a smart schedule, and continues what has been a most impressive upward arc over the last few years (can anyone deny that for the 2nd year in a row he's the most improved player in the ATP), he's sitting pretty. And will surprise most everyone by being #1 at the end of 2008.

What I would really like, however, would be for Ana to take down Justine and get the 1 spot in the WTA. Especially if she did it by beating Justine in the final of the '08 USO.

[Charlie02123]

Well, I agree that Djokovic keeps improving, and I think he will overtake Nadal (who I think will get injured, but lose the 2 spot either way). I don't think Novak has the consistency to take the top spot yet, though. I think his biggest issue at the moment is not finishing matches quickly. He takes 17 sets and 3 days to beat one opponent, and then it hurts him in the next round. I think Roger is becoming less and less dominant, but smarter with his time. He's coming to the net more and more, and finishing people off. I think that strategy will help him win more tournaments, and stay fresher, even if he does lose more matches than he wins against Novak. Good luck to both of them, though. It would be interesting to see someone shake things up and genuinely challenge Federer for the top spot. (Although Nadal has had at least one slam where if he had won it he would have been #1. I know it happened at one USO, but I imagined it's happened more than once.)

[kayce]

Awesome!

But my gawd, Roger has been #1 in the world for what, 13 years? And has 246 Slams, and counting?

Every great player has had to cope with injury, a letdown season, or the like. And Roger is indeed great, but he is not superhuman. And given Rafa's own health issues, I think Novak is the one that is ready to capitalize. If he plays a smart schedule, and continues what has been a most impressive upward arc over the last few years (can anyone deny that for the 2nd year in a row he's the most improved player in the ATP), he's sitting pretty. And will surprise most everyone by being #1 at the end of 2008.

What I would really like, however, would be for Ana to take down Justine and get the 1 spot in the WTA. Especially if she did it by beating Justine in the final of the '08 USO.

Haha.... Novak will definetely be above Roger! I put Rafa above because I think he will be a little more consistent throughout the season. Give Novak a little more time, then I think he will definetely be number 1 in 09!

And yes, someone over Henin would be great, just don't see it happening quite yet!

[suliso]

Haha.... Novak will definetely be above Roger! I put Rafa above because I think he will be a little more consistent throughout the season. Give Novak a little more time, then I think he will definetely be number 1 in 09!

I will remind you of this next December ;)

[kayce]

I will remind you of this next December ;)

I'm sure I won't forget. Neglect to mention it if things aren't going well, but I won't forget.
:p

[rabbit]

Haha.... Novak will definetely be above Roger! I put Rafa above because I think he will be a little more consistent throughout the season. Give Novak a little more time, then I think he will definetely be number 1 in 09!

And yes, someone over Henin would be great, just don't see it happening quite yet!

Well, according to my predictions, Novak won't even be in the top 8 ;)

[lbk77]

Top 10 Men 2008

1. Federer
2. Djokovic
3. Nadal
4. Nalbandian
5. Ferrer
6. Murray
7. Gasquet
8. Berdych

Top 10 women 2008

1. Henin
2. Sharapova
3. Ivanovic
4. Kuznetsova
5. Chakvetadze
6. Jankovic
7. Vadisova
8. Golovin

[Martini4me]

WTA

1. Henin
2. Sharapova
3. Ivanovic
4. Chakvetadze
5. Serena
6. Jankovic
7. Kuznetsova
8. Vaidisova

ATP

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Nalbandian
5. Murray
6. Gasquet
7. Roddick
8. Ferrer

[jadesa]

ATP:
1. Federer
2. Djokovic
3. Nadal
4. Roddick
5. Davydenko
6. Murray
7. Blake
8. Gasquet


WTA:
1. Henin
2. S. Williams
3. Jankovic
4. Ivanovic
5. Sharapova
6. V. Williams
7. Kuznetsova
8. Chakvetadze

[GVGirl]

Less than 16 hours left to predict! I'm shutting down this thread before Midnight Eastern US time.:) Notice I never predict the top 8.

[nehemiajapheth]

Well, I'm not good at predictions. But I will have a go at it for the first time.

ATP

1. Rafael Nadal
2. Roger Federer
3. Novak Djokovic
4. Andy Murray
5. James Blake
6. Andy Roddick
7. David Nalbandian
8. Richard Gasquet

WTA:

1. Venus Williams
2. Justine Henin
3. Maria Sharapova
4. Serena Williams
5. Anna Ivanovic
6. Sania Mirza
7. Patty Schnyder
8. Maria Kirilenko

Hope I did my best!;)

[GVGirl]

Here is the one from the end of 2007! Again enjoy reading. :hyst:

[shtexas]

I got Murray right!

[suliso]

No one had Safina...

[dryrunguy]

No one had Safina...

That was unpredictable. Seriously. Whodathunkit?

[suliso]

That was unpredictable. Seriously. Whodathunkit?

Top 3 yes, top 10 not really...

If you call that unpredictable what would you say about Simon?