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jjnow
04-18-2007, 03:12 PM
I was talking with Darcy in TATchat and remembered that a few of us on TAT are baseball fans. I figured I would make us a thread with current standing where we could also discuss results, players, trades, etc. I'll try to update these standings at least once a week.

Current MLB Standings:

American League:
EAST:
RANK|TEAM|RECORD
1|Boston|12-7
2|Baltimore|11-9
3|Toronto|10-10
4|Tampa Bay|9-11
5|New York|8-11

CENTRAL:
RANK|TEAM|RECORD
1|Cleveland|10-7
2|Chicago|10-8
3|Detroit|11-9
3|Minnesota|11-9
5|Kansas City|6-13

WEST:
RANK|TEAM|RECORD
1|Oakland|11-9
2|Los Angeles|10-10
3|Texas|8-11
4|Seattle|6-9

National League:
EAST:
RANK|TEAM|RECORD
1|New York|13-6
2|Atlanta|13-7
3|Florida|9-11
4|Philadelphia|8-11
5|Washington, D.C.|6-14

CENTRAL:
RANK|TEAM|RECORD
1|Milwaukee|12-7
2|Cincinnati|9-10
2|Houston|9-10
4|Pittsburgh|8-10
4|St. Louis|8-10
5|Chicago|7-12

WEST:
RANK|TEAM|RECORD
1|Los Angeles|13-6
2|San Diego|11-8
3|San Francisco|9-8
4|Arizona|10-10
5|Colorado|8-13

bea26
04-18-2007, 03:14 PM
Go Red Sox!

jjnow
04-18-2007, 03:14 PM
First things first.

How about those Phillies, Moose? :D ;)

jj

hurricanejeanne
04-18-2007, 03:18 PM
Go Tigers! (state/town loyalty) :D

And thanks for the hard work, JJ. ;)

jjnow
04-18-2007, 03:20 PM
Go Red Sox!
Red Sox are my AL team, bea. I'm on board too.

jj

bea26
04-18-2007, 03:24 PM
Red Sox are my AL team, bea. I'm on board too.

jj

:beer:

Darcy
04-18-2007, 03:35 PM
Alright! Thanks, jj! :yahoo:

Baseball is my first love.

Go Tigers :D

Scotty
04-18-2007, 03:39 PM
Let's Go Oakland! (clap, clap, clapclapclap)

I swear, sometimes it seems like Jessie and I are the only left-coasters on this board.

S

Kirkus
04-18-2007, 03:53 PM
L.A. baby!!

Great idea, JJ!

jjnow
04-18-2007, 04:05 PM
L.A. baby!!

Great idea, JJ!
Which L.A., Kirkus?

Dodgers have the best record in baseball. The Angels, not so much.

jj

Sebastien447
04-18-2007, 06:40 PM
Thanks JJ. Go Orioles!

Not that we have much of a chance in the AL East :rolleyes:

mrjiggyfly2
04-19-2007, 03:30 AM
:beer:


I saw this from the box score page on Yahoo sports:


D. Ortiz homered to deep left :rockon:

I expect to be seeing similar lines between 50 and 60 times this year. Although the "left" part was a little surprising.

shtexas
04-19-2007, 07:25 AM
Go Rangers!

We never have the pitching and now we don't have the hitting! We have a bunch of old stars for a year (Sosa and Lofton). And we traded away our top pitching prospect (Danks) for Brandon McCarthy. Now our other top pitching prospect (Diamond - a perfect baseball name) is having Tommy John surgery at 21 years of age! They don't know what they are doing. :mad:

:(

Moose
04-19-2007, 07:39 AM
First things first.

How about those Phillies, Moose? :D ;)

jj

thanks for the pleasant reminder :(

This is their worst start in so many years. And with all the talent on the club, its absurb that they keep finding new ways to lose. I'll say this, however, they were very kind to me last night. They waited til the end of Lost to lure me back in so I could see them lose in the 13th inning.

Manuel (our coach), and Gillick (our GM) are getting a huge amount of flack in the press. Manuel almost got into an altercation with a reporter on Tuesday, and now that's all the buzz on sports talk radio and the sports page

tennisbrp
04-19-2007, 09:01 AM
I saw this from the box score page on Yahoo sports:


D. Ortiz homered to deep left :rockon:

I expect to be seeing similar lines between 50 and 60 times this year. Although the "left" part was a little surprising.


HUGE Red Sox fan here. Ortiz was on the best damn sports show last night and he is truly a very likable man. Ironically I see some parallels between tennis and baseball, at least from the legacy close games and matches leave me with the night after some player or team I am a fan of gets their heart ripped out. Needed years of therapy after the 86 Mets and even more after the ALCS loss in Yankee stadium 2003 (much like a variety of Hingis or Davenport matches). My only published editorial in life came when I did finally put in prose how I realized with MUCH shame how I needed to put sports in perspective after recognizing that I was in lower manhattan on 9/11/01 and I slept a few hours that night after the horrific events and never slept for even 5 minutes after Aaron Boone taking Wakefiled deep in ALCS 03. Something was clearly not wired properly, but life events and the World Series 04 did hopefully cure that. Anyway, I still have Yankee phobias and can't believe they seem to rise above all injuries. If we lost Schilling, Beckett, and Wake to the 15 day DL I don't see this team winning games but I am hoping the Sox can sweep the weekend series.

THANKS for starting the baseball thread.

Kirkus
04-19-2007, 09:24 AM
Which L.A., Kirkus?

Dodgers have the best record in baseball. The Angels, not so much.

jj

That's right. I forgot about the "Anaheim Angels of Los Angeles" -- whatever the hell that means. (Did you know that Anaheim is in Orange County not Los Angeles?)

No, I'm talking about the real L.A. team, the Los Angeles Dodgers.

jjnow
04-19-2007, 08:42 PM
I just updated the standings. Boston overtook Toronto for the No. 1 position in the AL East. :D

jj

shtexas
04-20-2007, 07:31 AM
That's right. I forgot about the "Anaheim Angels of Los Angeles" -- whatever the hell that means. (Did you know that Anaheim is in Orange County not Los Angeles?)

No, I'm talking about the real L.A. team, the Los Angeles Dodgers.

I think it might be the other way around: The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim or LAA.

shtexas
04-21-2007, 10:45 PM
Just came back from my first Rangers game of the season. We won 7-0 over Oakland.

I have no clue how we are even 7-10 with 3/4 of the team with .225 or lower batting averages.

Ti-Amie
04-21-2007, 10:50 PM
Go Red Sox!

:gun:
:bat:
:fencing:

jjnow
04-21-2007, 11:18 PM
Just came back from my first Rangers game of the season. We won 7-0 over Oakland.

I have no clue how we are even 7-10 with 3/4 of the team with .225 or lower batting averages.
Awesome. We used to go to Braves games all the time when we lived closer to Atlanta. Always a great time.

And Ti, you're from NY and hate the Sox so I'll assume you're a Yankees girl?

Yankees, i.e., The Evil Empire.

jj

Ti-Amie
04-21-2007, 11:31 PM
I live in the Bronx. Does that help?

jjnow
04-21-2007, 11:40 PM
I live in the Bronx. Does that help?
As a Braves and Red Sox fan I have two nemeses. One's in the Bronx and the other's in Queens. ;)

jj

bea26
04-21-2007, 11:42 PM
:gun:
:bat:
:fencing:

Bring it.

Ti-Amie
04-22-2007, 08:29 AM
Bea we'll talk after the 4th of July when baseball is for real and the wins mean something. :beer:

Sebastien447
04-22-2007, 12:25 PM
I can't believe the Orioles are THREE games over .500! Woot! I do understand the validity of the previous post, but for now ...

:banana:

bea26
04-22-2007, 12:30 PM
Bea we'll talk after the 4th of July when baseball is for real and the wins mean something. :beer:

It's Sox v. Yankees! They always mean something.

(nyah nyah)

Darcy
04-22-2007, 03:19 PM
Tigers beat the White Sox in the 12th to avoid the sweep! :D Three close games. I'm happy with the way they've come out this year.

Go Tigers! :yahoo:

GVGirl
04-22-2007, 03:22 PM
Awesome. We used to go to Braves games all the time when we lived closer to Atlanta. Always a great time.

And Ti, you're from NY and hate the Sox so I'll assume you're a Yankees girl?

Yankees, i.e., The Evil Empire.

jj


GVGirl= Yankee Girl! I love my Yankees!

Kirkus
04-22-2007, 03:23 PM
I think it might be the other way around: The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim or LAA.

Either way they aren't in Los Angeles. Kind of a sore point for us Dodger fans. LOL.

Moose
04-22-2007, 06:08 PM
at last, my Phillies are showing some signs of life. Finally take a series (even if it was only the Reds). Now we're home for 7 straight games this week, time to start getting into contention. With Howard and Utley finally showing signs of life, we're about ready to make a move.

shtexas
04-22-2007, 06:11 PM
With dismal hitting continuing, the Rangers managed to pull out another win over Oakland to take the series.

bea26
04-23-2007, 10:00 AM
It's Sox v. Yankees! They always mean something.

(nyah nyah)

Nyah nyah x 3? :evil:

jkfriedman
04-23-2007, 10:07 AM
Tigers beat the White Sox in the 12th to avoid the sweep! :D Three close games. I'm happy with the way they've come out this year.

Go Tigers! :yahoo:

Darcy

you're right --the Tiger are just warming up.

Tigers all the way

JKF

Ti-Amie
04-23-2007, 10:23 AM
Nyah nyah x 3? :evil:

"See youuuu in Septemmmmberrrr"! Enjoy it now dude.

Darcy
04-23-2007, 10:28 AM
Darcy

you're right --the Tiger are just warming up.

Tigers all the way

JKF

:D I agree!

What do you think of Rodney? Grrrr....:bat:

bea26
04-23-2007, 12:51 PM
"See youuuu in Septemmmmberrrr"! Enjoy it now dude.

Don't worry, I am. :D

jkfriedman
04-24-2007, 06:52 AM
:D I agree!

What do you think of Rodney? Grrrr....:bat:

Mr Rodney has lost it totally.:vomit:
Last year we had the best bullpen in Baseball--now????

Still they beat Jered Weaver last night--good start to their roadtrip

PeterSkan
04-24-2007, 08:38 AM
Baseball doesn't often produce the high octane levels of dazzle that you see in other team sports, like basketball and hockey, where there's constant motion and play-making by typically even forces [excepting the power play and free-throw scenarios]. Baseball favours the defense ... just imagine how tough it would be to score in football if the offense was outnumbered by defense 9:1, or 9:4 in the rarest circumstance ... so much so that a batting failure rate of only 65% is celebrated.

But there are other dynamics in play in baseball, and when an offensive burst takes place, there's nothing to compare with it. Watching the Red Sox rattle off four successive home runs the other day against the Yankees was spectacular. One for the ages, as the saying goes.

It's these rarest of occurences that stay in our memory, much more so than momentarily spectacular slam dunks and/or nifty goals that are routinely generated in hockey and baseball.

jjnow
04-24-2007, 08:27 PM
Standings have been updated.

What's hot?

Boston maintains their lead in the AL East, while the Yankees fall to dead last. Moose's Phillies have finally snapped out of their lackluster play and overtaken D.C. for the fourth spot in the NL East on a 4 game win-streak. San Francisco has also made a move from last place to third in the NL West. The NL Central is in a dead heat, and the Mets and Dodgers maintain their holds on the best record in baseball.



Current MLB Standings:

American League:
EAST:
RANK|TEAM|RECORD
1|Boston|12-7
2|Baltimore|11-9
3|Toronto|10-10
4|Tampa Bay|9-11
5|New York|8-11

CENTRAL:
RANK|TEAM|RECORD
1|Cleveland|10-7
2|Chicago|10-8
3|Detroit|11-9
3|Minnesota|11-9
5|Kansas City|6-13

WEST:
RANK|TEAM|RECORD
1|Oakland|11-9
2|Los Angeles|10-10
3|Texas|8-11
4|Seattle|6-9

National League:
EAST:
RANK|TEAM|RECORD
1|New York|13-6
2|Atlanta|13-7
3|Florida|9-11
4|Philadelphia|8-11
5|Washington, D.C.|6-14

CENTRAL:
RANK|TEAM|RECORD
1|Milwaukee|12-7
2|Cincinnati|9-10
2|Houston|9-10
4|Pittsburgh|8-10
4|St. Louis|8-10
5|Chicago|7-12

WEST:
RANK|TEAM|RECORD
1|Los Angeles|13-6
2|San Diego|11-8
3|San Francisco|9-8
4|Arizona|10-10
5|Colorado|8-13

jj

Moose
04-25-2007, 05:57 AM
WRT the Phillies, the one-two punch of Utley and Howard are finally waking up after a snoozer of a start. And the bullpen (which everyone knew was going to be a problem) is actually doing something these last couple of days. Shame we had to pull Myers out of the starting rotation, but we were lucky going in to the season that we had 6 starters.

jsd123789456
05-15-2007, 08:55 PM
just got back form the astros game, my first since ive been home, and what a game to go to, carlos lee with a walk off home run in the bottom of the 10th inning. i might not be as big a baseball fan as i used to be but in person with some drinks (snuck in or bought...you guess), its still a great time no matter what

Moose
07-25-2007, 07:12 PM
Phillies were leading 4-2 going into the 9th (they are at home)...Cole Hamels had pitched a great game up to this point. They bring in 6 Fingered Alfonseco (our bullpen is decimated), who proceeds to give up 3 runs.

So its the bottom of the 9th, and our bullpen has very likely cost us another game. It's maddening how this keeps happening.

Moose
07-25-2007, 07:16 PM
9th inning, 2 outs, and J-Ro (Jimmy Rollins) comes to the plate, hits a triple which also ends in a error, allowing ollins to score. And we go etra innings.

Sometimes, I love baseball.

jjnow
07-25-2007, 07:25 PM
9th inning, 2 outs, and J-Ro (Jimmy Rollins) comes to the plate, hits a triple which also ends in a error, allowing ollins to score. And we go etra innings.

Sometimes, I love baseball.
It's one of the great sit-back-and-enjoy-it sports.

jj

Moose
07-25-2007, 07:39 PM
It's one of the great sit-back-and-enjoy-it sports.

jj

Exactly, JJ. The Nationals got two runners on in the 10th, but couldn't score. And the heart of the Phils lineup (Utley, Howard, Rowand - 3,4,5) are scheduled to bat now.

shtexas
07-25-2007, 08:55 PM
Rangers won their 4th in a row. Only 10 games under .500 now! ;)

Moose
07-26-2007, 05:47 AM
Rangers won their 4th in a row. Only 10 games under .500 now! ;)

I often wonder what's worse. Knowing that your team is bad or knowing that your team is better than their mediocre record.

I went to bed after the 11th inning...the Phils game ended up going 14 innnings, with Ryan Howard hitting a walk off home run in the bottom of the 14th to win the game. And still, we gain no ground on the Mets.

shtexas
08-01-2007, 06:57 PM
Well, my Rangers traded away Teixeira to the Braves (along with Mahay) for 5 players, mostly top prospects. Then traded Gagne to Boston for 3 players (2 of those prospects). Congrats to Atlanta and Boston.

As for the Rangers, we are going really young. They even told Sosa he is going to take a lesser role the rest of the year.

Maybe in 2010! :rolleyes:

Ti-Amie
08-01-2007, 07:14 PM
The Yankees beat up on the White Sox last night. They've actually been doing well of late.

Should have saved some of those homers though...

GVGirl
08-01-2007, 07:16 PM
The Yankees beat up on the White Sox last night. They've actually been doing well of late.

Should have saved some of those homers though...

I hear you! Did you see that at the Nike stores in Manhattan have ads that say "Just do it Alex" with a 500 on top of it.

Foxykhat
08-04-2007, 09:41 PM
BONDS' VOYAGE

Barry does it #755 and this person says it nicely

"congratulations bonds. what the man had to endure the last few years most men could not handle. love him or hate him, the man has created one of the biggest stories of the decade. " — disassociatedrockstar

Ti-Amie
08-04-2007, 09:43 PM
I hear you! Did you see that at the Nike stores in Manhattan have ads that say "Just do it Alex" with a 500 on top of it.

I can't stand A-Rod.

Anyone know what time the Giants are playing tomorrow since ESPN will rearrange it's programming if Bonds doesn't break the record tonight.

Foxykhat
08-04-2007, 09:46 PM
I can't stand A-Rod.

Anyone know what time the Giants are playing tomorrow since ESPN will rearrange it's programming if Bonds doesn't break the record tonight.

I can't stand A-Rod either Ti urghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Barry has tied it I doubt he'll do anything else tonight but I could be wrong

Foxy

shtexas
08-04-2007, 09:47 PM
I can't stand A-Rod either Ti urghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Barry has tied it I doubt he'll do anything else tonight but I could be wrong

Foxy

Bonds is out of the line-up for the rest of tonight.

oohsalmon
08-04-2007, 09:47 PM
Go Barry Bonds!

People need to stop fighting it. It's gonna happen. Bitterness will get you nowhere.

Foxykhat
08-04-2007, 09:51 PM
Go Barry Bonds!

People need to stop fighting it. It's gonna happen. Bitterness will get you nowhere.

Exactly!!! Let it go already people.

And I never liked Barry prior to all this.

Foxy

Ti-Amie
08-04-2007, 09:55 PM
Exactly!!! Let it go already people.

And I never liked Barry prior to all this.

Foxy

I never cared about him one way or the other before all of this. Records are made to be broken. Folks need to get over it.

shtexas
08-07-2007, 08:15 PM
Bonds has a double and single tonight.

shtexas
08-07-2007, 08:52 PM
HE DID IT!

Ti-Amie
08-08-2007, 04:46 AM
Congratulations to Barry Bonds on his achievement. It's like one fan said the other day after he tied the record -
if you think he's done wrong you want to boo him but then look at the accomplishment. You have to applaud him.(broadly paraphrasing)

Moose
08-08-2007, 05:36 AM
I'm glad he finally got it, because I just want the whole thing to go away. Personally, I'm sick of the amount of coverage that has gone into this moment from every direction.

shtexas
08-22-2007, 06:06 PM
Texas Rangers became the first team in 110 years (!) to score 30 runs in a game. :)

Jack
08-22-2007, 06:45 PM
Texas Rangers became the first team in 110 years (!) to score 30 runs in a game. :)

Too bad they weren't playing the Yankees! ;)

Ti-Amie
08-22-2007, 06:50 PM
Too bad they weren't playing the Yankees! ;)

Hater.

Moose
09-20-2007, 07:17 PM
here we are, coming to the end of the regular season in about 10 days. And the Phillies are still in contention (though the general concensus around here is that it will end exactly the way it has ended the past few years, with the Phillies blowing it going into the final weekend).

They were down 6-2 to the Nationals for most of the game tonight....then had a huge inning to tie it, and a smart go round in the 8th to go up a run. Gotta win to stay in the race.

Love baseball at this time of year, when there is serious post-season implications with every day that goes by. Still a lot of things that can happen in both the NL and AL (can't believe that the Yankees are making a serious run at the Red Sox).

tennisbrp
09-20-2007, 07:20 PM
The Red Sox as usual are ruining my life, my sleep patterns, and my relationship. Just your average year as a fan who watches or listens to evry game but about 4 per year. I want to have a screaming fit daily now............

Moose
09-20-2007, 07:27 PM
The Red Sox as usual are ruining my life, my sleep patterns, and my relationship. Just your average year as a fan who watches or listens to evry game but about 4 per year. I want to have a screaming fit daily now............

I'm still trying to figure out how on earth Terry Francona leaves Philly, where saying he accomplished nothing would be generous, only to go to Boston and win a World Series.

Moose
09-27-2007, 07:19 PM
2 weeks ago (Sept 12th), the Phillies were 7 games out of 1st place in the NL East.

After tonight, we're now tied with the Mets for 1st place. We're on a surge, and the Mets are in a slump. It's the final three games of the regular season, and the Phillies are right there in the hunt.

I love this.

Moose
09-30-2007, 06:26 PM
it was so much fun having the NL East come down to the final game of the season. And even better, its the Phillies who have the big day when the big day is necessary. Just a genuine blast to get back to the baseball playoffs for the first time since 1993. And the opponent remains unknown, as there will be a play in game tomorrow between the Padres and Rockies.

and your 2007 NL MVP - Jimmy Rollins. Today sealed the deal.

Ti-Amie
10-01-2007, 05:15 AM
I thought that I'd be the one mourning my team not making the playoffs. Never in a million years did I think the Mets would blow the lead they held all year.

Not a fan so I don't know what happened there.

I have a good friend who is a Phillie's fan too Moose. I'm sure he's happier than that proverbial pig in slop.

I heard this morning that the Yankees have not turned a profit since 2003 and that they're banking on the post season to turn things around.

Moose
10-05-2007, 09:47 PM
if Mr. Jiggy isn't working right now, he just lifted a tall cold one in honor of his Boston Red Sox. Big congrats to he and TennisBRP who is also a fan. That was an outstanding end to Game 2.

Ti-Amie
10-29-2007, 06:03 AM
Oh A-Rod, don't let the door hit you on the way out. k thxbye

Ti-Amie
02-09-2008, 10:41 PM
So Pedro Martinez attends cock fights in the Dominican Republic. The Mets organization issued a statement condemning cock fighting and all similar forms of animal fighting. Does this mean he should be run out of town? I remember when they used to have them all the time in East Harlem. Is his argument that it's part of his culture valid? If he's betting on these events does it make it possible he'd get himself in a sticky position with those he owes money to?

http://gothamist.com/2008/02/08/pedro_mets_spea.php

This is a legit thread so let's not dumpsterize it k?

dryrunguy
02-09-2008, 10:47 PM
So Pedro Martinez attends cock fights in the Dominican Republic. The Mets organization issued a statement condemning cock fighting and all similar forms of animal fighting. Does this mean he should be run out of town? I remember when they used to have them all the time in East Harlem. Is his argument that it's part of his culture valid? If he's betting on these events does it make it possible he'd get himself in a sticky position with those he owes money to?

http://gothamist.com/2008/02/08/pedro_mets_spea.php

This is a legit thread so let's not dumpsterize it k?

First, how dumb of Martinez to do this in the wake of the Vick situation. Aren't there other ways to celebrate one's culture? Like cooking a native dish made with chicken?

Second, there was a guy on CNN yesterday talking about this very issue. His argument was that this is a different situation than Vick's because chickens aren't used as household pets. Ahem. :rolleyes:

Dry

Ti-Amie
02-09-2008, 10:56 PM
Spain and Mexico catch hell because of bullfighting. France never gets mentioned but that activity is popular in the south of France too.

I don't see much difference between the Vick situation and this to be honest Dry. In both cases a star athlete has put himself in a position that could lead to his being controlled by shady characters.

dryrunguy
02-09-2008, 11:06 PM
Spain and Mexico catch hell because of bullfighting. France never gets mentioned but that activity is popular in the south of France too.

I don't see much difference between the Vick situation and this to be honest Dry. In both cases a star athlete has put himself in a position that could lead to his being controlled by shady characters.

Or maybe it's another case of the God complex... I'm [insert name of choice], and I can do what I want.

Dry

Ti-Amie
02-10-2008, 08:47 AM
Or maybe it's another case of the God complex... I'm [insert name of choice], and I can do what I want.

Dry

I think you're right about the God complex thing.

dryrunguy
02-12-2008, 07:26 AM
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hvjTioE1KkEvnv7hw5x6FBKA6NkQD8UOFLFO1

<H1>Rocker: Rangers Advised on Steroids Use

13 hours ago
ATLANTA (AP) — John Rocker claims he flunked a drug test ordered by Major League Baseball in 2000 and that he, Alex Rodriguez and other Texas Rangers were advised by management and union doctors following a spring training lecture on how to effectively use steroids.
"Bud Selig knew in the year 2000 John Rocker was taking the juice," the former pitcher said Monday of the baseball commissioner on Atlanta radio station 680. "Didn't do anything about it."
Rocker was suspended for the first 14 days of the 2000 season by Selig for making racial and ethnic remarks the commissioner deemed insensitive. The penalty, originally set to cover 28 days, was reduced by an arbitrator following a grievance.
"As part of the disciplinary process, Mr. Rocker was referred to the confidential Employee Assistance Program," Major League Baseball said in a statement. "Any test of Mr. Rocker would have been conducted by professionals who ran the EAP. Those professionals were obligated to maintain the confidentiality of the result and to use it in developing a treatment and education program for Mr. Rocker. Further discipline was not an option legally available to Major League Baseball at that time."
Rocker said that doctors from management and the players' association, following a spring training talk with the Texas Rangers about steroids and other topics, pulled himself, A-Rod, Rafael Palmeiro and Ivan Rodriguez aside. Rocker was with the Rangers in 2002.
"Look guys, if you take one kind of steroid, you don't triple stack them and take them 10 months out of the year like Lyle Alzado did," Rocker said the doctors told them. "If you do it responsibly, it's not going to hurt you."
Rocker did not identify the doctors.
Baseball did not have a drug-testing agreement between management and the players' union until September 2002 and did not have random testing with penalties until 2004.
Gene Orza, the chief operating officer of the players' association, declined comment.
</H1>*****
Sorry, but in this case, I had to post the whole article because some of the most interesting stuff was buried down near the end.

Dry

Ti-Amie
02-12-2008, 07:30 AM
The rabbit hole is getting deeper and deeper isn't it?

shtexas
02-12-2008, 07:57 AM
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hvjTioE1KkEvnv7hw5x6FBKA6NkQD8UOFLFO1

<H1>Rocker: Rangers Advised on Steroids Use

13 hours ago
ATLANTA (AP) — John Rocker claims he flunked a drug test ordered by Major League Baseball in 2000 and that he, Alex Rodriguez and other Texas Rangers were advised by management and union doctors following a spring training lecture on how to effectively use steroids.
"Bud Selig knew in the year 2000 John Rocker was taking the juice," the former pitcher said Monday of the baseball commissioner on Atlanta radio station 680. "Didn't do anything about it."
Rocker was suspended for the first 14 days of the 2000 season by Selig for making racial and ethnic remarks the commissioner deemed insensitive. The penalty, originally set to cover 28 days, was reduced by an arbitrator following a grievance.
"As part of the disciplinary process, Mr. Rocker was referred to the confidential Employee Assistance Program," Major League Baseball said in a statement. "Any test of Mr. Rocker would have been conducted by professionals who ran the EAP. Those professionals were obligated to maintain the confidentiality of the result and to use it in developing a treatment and education program for Mr. Rocker. Further discipline was not an option legally available to Major League Baseball at that time."
Rocker said that doctors from management and the players' association, following a spring training talk with the Texas Rangers about steroids and other topics, pulled himself, A-Rod, Rafael Palmeiro and Ivan Rodriguez aside. Rocker was with the Rangers in 2002.
"Look guys, if you take one kind of steroid, you don't triple stack them and take them 10 months out of the year like Lyle Alzado did," Rocker said the doctors told them. "If you do it responsibly, it's not going to hurt you."
Rocker did not identify the doctors.
Baseball did not have a drug-testing agreement between management and the players' union until September 2002 and did not have random testing with penalties until 2004.
Gene Orza, the chief operating officer of the players' association, declined comment.
</H1>*****
Sorry, but in this case, I had to post the whole article because some of the most interesting stuff was buried down near the end.

Dry

Funny thing is my Rangers have been horrible starting in 2000 (except 2004, after A-Rod left). I guess you do need to triple stack them. ;)

patrick
02-12-2008, 09:40 AM
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hvjTioE1KkEvnv7hw5x6FBKA6NkQD8UOFLFO1

<H1>Rocker: Rangers Advised on Steroids Use

13 hours ago
ATLANTA (AP) — John Rocker claims he flunked a drug test ordered by Major League Baseball in 2000 and that he, Alex Rodriguez and other Texas Rangers were advised by management and union doctors following a spring training lecture on how to effectively use steroids.
"Bud Selig knew in the year 2000 John Rocker was taking the juice," the former pitcher said Monday of the baseball commissioner on Atlanta radio station 680. "Didn't do anything about it."
Rocker was suspended for the first 14 days of the 2000 season by Selig for making racial and ethnic remarks the commissioner deemed insensitive. The penalty, originally set to cover 28 days, was reduced by an arbitrator following a grievance.
"As part of the disciplinary process, Mr. Rocker was referred to the confidential Employee Assistance Program," Major League Baseball said in a statement. "Any test of Mr. Rocker would have been conducted by professionals who ran the EAP. Those professionals were obligated to maintain the confidentiality of the result and to use it in developing a treatment and education program for Mr. Rocker. Further discipline was not an option legally available to Major League Baseball at that time."
Rocker said that doctors from management and the players' association, following a spring training talk with the Texas Rangers about steroids and other topics, pulled himself, A-Rod, Rafael Palmeiro and Ivan Rodriguez aside. Rocker was with the Rangers in 2002.
"Look guys, if you take one kind of steroid, you don't triple stack them and take them 10 months out of the year like Lyle Alzado did," Rocker said the doctors told them. "If you do it responsibly, it's not going to hurt you."
Rocker did not identify the doctors.
Baseball did not have a drug-testing agreement between management and the players' union until September 2002 and did not have random testing with penalties until 2004.
Gene Orza, the chief operating officer of the players' association, declined comment.
</H1>*****
Sorry, but in this case, I had to post the whole article because some of the most interesting stuff was buried down near the end.

Dry

There may be something to that even though Rocker was an idiot in his playing days. Canseco said last year(or a few weeks ago) that A-Rod was taking steroids. We know what happened to B-12 Palmeiro but nothing on Pudge,yet

Moose
02-12-2008, 09:42 AM
I forget if it was in Canseco's book, or where exactly..but this isn't the first time that Rocker's name has been linked to juicing.

Ti-Amie
02-12-2008, 09:44 AM
There may be something to that even though Rocker was an idiot in his playing days. Canseco said last year(or a few weeks ago) that A-Rod was taking steroids. We know what happened to B-12 Palmeiro but nothing on Pudge,yet

Pudge is only a shadow of his former self IMO.
Nothing about A-Rod surprises me.

What does amaze me is the team doc allegedly saying that as long as you don't go overboard there's no problem. Alzado died young IIRC. And while MLB is taking the hit on this still nothing about the NFL where guys have necks as big around as a supermodel's waist.

patrick
02-12-2008, 09:57 AM
Pudge is only a shadow of his former self IMO.
Nothing about A-Rod surprises me.

What does amaze me is the team doc allegedly saying that as long as you don't go overboard there's no problem. Alzado died young IIRC. And while MLB is taking the hit on this still nothing about the NFL where guys have necks as big around as a supermodel's waist.

When steroid was and still may be big in the NFL, the powers to be knew how to keep it from being a story in the media.

GVGirl
02-12-2008, 10:04 AM
Why is the Government going after baseball, because it can. Baseball has an anti-trust exemption that the government can always hold over their heads. Baseball team owners don't want that anti- trust exemption to go anywhere....

I'm still waiting for the proverbial syringe to pop on the NFL. It will take a long time, but they will get there.

Ti-Amie
03-25-2008, 12:43 PM
Report: A-Rod was pursuing Canseco's wife
Ex-star also says he introduced Yankee to steroid distributor in new book
The Associated Press
updated 2:43 p.m. ET, Tues., March. 25, 2008

http://media.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060629/060629_canseco_vmed_9p.widec.jpg


NEW YORK - Jose Canseco says in his new book that he introduced Alex Rodriguez to a steroids distributor and that A-Rod pursued Canseco’s wife, according to the Web site of freelance writer Joe Lavin.

Lavin says on the Web site that he obtained the book, “Vindicated: Big Names, Big Liars, and The Battle to Save Baseball,” on Monday from a bookstore in Cambridge, Mass. The book is due to be released April 1.
Lavin writes Canseco’s book discusses A-Rod, Roger Clemens and Magglio Ordonez.

He says Canseco claimed he didn’t inject Rodriguez but “introduced Alex to a known supplier of steroids.” Lavin also says “Canseco claims that A-Rod was trying to sleep with Canseco’s wife.”

“I really, absolutely, have no reaction,” Rodriguez said Tuesday when asked about the claim relating to the steroids distributor. As far as the allegation regarding Canseco’s wife, Rodriguez responded:
“I don’t know how to answer that.” :p

Canseco writes about the infamous June 1998 party at his house. Brian McNamee, Clemens’ former trainer, has said Clemens spoke with Canseco at the barbecue and soon after approached the trainer about using performance-enhancing drugs. According to Lavin, Canseco wrote that Clemens did not attend.

Earlier this year, Canseco gave an affidavit to congressional investigators stating Clemens was not there and that he had never seen Clemens “use, possess or ask for steroids or human growth hormone.”

Lavin wrote the Ordonez reference was “that old yarn of one player injecting another with steroids, possibly in the buttocks.” Canseco and Ordonez were teammates on the 2001 Chicago White Sox.

The New York Times reported in January that Canseco offered to keep Ordonez “clear” in the book if the Detroit outfielder invested in a movie project promoted by Canseco, claims Lavin said Canseco wrote he denies.

© 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

URL: http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/23796968/ (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/23796968/)

ptmcmahon
03-25-2008, 01:26 PM
Can someone do a current standings for me like at the beginning of the thread? ;)

kandi
03-31-2008, 07:15 PM
OPENING DAY OF THE 2008 SEASON

Seattle Mariners open with a 5-2 win over the Texas Rangers - with their new pitcher Eric Bedard, and closer JJ Putz up to his usual winning ways. :banana::banana::banana:

patrick
03-31-2008, 07:31 PM
OPENING DAY OF THE 2008 SEASON

Seattle Mariners open with a 5-2 win over the Texas Rangers - with their new pitcher Eric Bedard, and closer JJ Putz up to his usual winning ways. :banana::banana::banana:

Think Putz is one of the best closers that no one talks about and good move for Seattle to trade for Bedard as he is beginning to become an elite pitcher which may take the pressure off King Felix.

JTContinental
03-31-2008, 09:27 PM
OPENING DAY OF THE 2008 SEASON

Seattle Mariners open with a 5-2 win over the Texas Rangers - with their new pitcher Eric Bedard, and closer JJ Putz up to his usual winning ways. :banana::banana::banana:

Allez!

ptmcmahon
04-01-2008, 04:05 AM
If you play fantasy baseball...Putz is talked about a lot there! He was a consenus top 3 closer pick...with K-Rod, and Papelbon as the others. I grabbed Putz on one of my teams so I'll be cheering him on!

patrick
04-01-2008, 05:00 AM
If you play fantasy baseball...Putz is talked about a lot there! He was a consenus top 3 closer pick...with K-Rod, and Papelbon as the others. I grabbed Putz on one of my teams so I'll be cheering him on!

What fantasy league(ESPN,CBS,Yahoo, or what?) are you in? Glad you got him 'cuz I wished I had him. I got Saito, Hoffman, and picked up Wilson(TX) as a free agent.

oohsalmon
04-01-2008, 05:03 AM
Y'all better recognize:

Best record in baseball belongs to the Washington Nationals.

Booya.

(I'm an Orioles fan, but unopposed to bandwagoning).

patrick
04-01-2008, 05:10 AM
Y'all better recognize:

Best record in baseball belongs to the Washington Nationals.

Booya.

(I'm an Orioles fan, but unopposed to bandwagoning).

Wait until September when they will be in last as usual.

oohsalmon
04-01-2008, 05:19 AM
Wait until September when they will be in last as usual.

Why wait?

It will happen in two weeks.

patrick
04-01-2008, 05:58 AM
Why wait?

It will happen in two weeks.

Of course.

ptmcmahon
04-01-2008, 07:31 AM
What fantasy league(ESPN,CBS,Yahoo, or what?) are you in? Glad you got him 'cuz I wished I had him. I got Saito, Hoffman, and picked up Wilson(TX) as a free agent.

Two on Yahoo.

One of them I got Putz, Corpas, and... Gagne. I knew he would suck, didn't play him and he blew up of course...so I dropped him for Lyon. Gagne was my last pick and I was just waiting to find another closer to grab for him. Gagne sucks.

My other league I got Wagner, Capps (bad start), and ... Borowski. I wonder if 40 saves is worth his ERA?

patrick
04-01-2008, 09:50 AM
Two on Yahoo.

One of them I got Putz, Corpas, and... Gagne. I knew he would suck, didn't play him and he blew up of course...so I dropped him for Lyon. Gagne was my last pick and I was just waiting to find another closer to grab for him. Gagne sucks.

My other league I got Wagner, Capps (bad start), and ... Borowski. I wonder if 40 saves is worth his ERA?

I am on ESPN. I have to say yes on Borowski in Cleveland even though he will cause you a lot of 9th inning headaches. Capps will be fine, I picked him up as soon as Pitt named him the closer. Thanks for the tip on Lyon - need to acquire him if I can. Gagne sucked since he was traded from Texas to Boston.

ptmcmahon
04-01-2008, 10:38 AM
I am on ESPN. I have to say yes on Borowski in Cleveland even though he will cause you a lot of 9th inning headaches. Capps will be fine, I picked him up as soon as Pitt named him the closer. Thanks for the tip on Lyon - need to acquire him if I can. Gagne sucked since he was traded from Texas to Boston.

Well he got his first save last night (Lyon) and is playing for Arizona, who many people have as a playoff team. Not great with k's, but not a really bad one, and had decent numbers last year. Definitely better then gag-me!

patrick
04-01-2008, 12:44 PM
Well he got his first save last night (Lyon) and is playing for Arizona, who many people have as a playoff team. Not great with k's, but not a really bad one, and had decent numbers last year. Definitely better then gag-me!

Just looked at Lyon and guess what. I am playing against him this week.

shtexas
04-04-2008, 09:15 PM
Go Rangers!

The Zuzana of Major League Baseball.

shtexas
05-01-2008, 07:52 AM
The Rangers, and their worst record in MLB, have apparently made a strategic decision to just bring the future up to the majors (we have a highly rated farm system after those trades last year) and give up on players that just cannot cut it.

patrick
05-01-2008, 09:42 AM
The Rangers, and their worst record in MLB, have apparently made a strategic decision to just bring the future up to the majors (we have a highly rated farm system after those trades last year) and give up on players that just cannot cut it.


Why not? Rangers have been one of the worst teams in MLB for years now. Pitching just do not exist there.

ptmcmahon
05-01-2008, 04:35 PM
Well that's like Jarrod Saltamechia (or however it is spelt...) - but have they even promised him full time at bats? The C/1B suck right now if I remember correctly. Traded him for Texiera - he better be good!

shtexas
05-01-2008, 08:31 PM
Well that's like Jarrod Saltamechia (or however it is spelt...) - but have they even promised him full time at bats? The C/1B suck right now if I remember correctly. Traded him for Texiera - he better be good!

Salty's been up for 5 games now and has been in three of them. He is strictly catching. He lost a few pitches (from Ponson, who he was catching for in AAA) when I was at the game Saturday night. They were not wild pitches. He just didn't handle them. But, I agree, he needs to play if he's going to be up.

We also brought up German Duran for 3B and Brandon Boggs, OF, who had a dream debut.

The rest are still not quite ready - Hurley, P; Davis, 1B; and Andrus, SS, among others.

munchin
05-02-2008, 12:20 PM
It took the Mariners a surprisingly long time to remember how much they excel at losing. I guess that's progress.

Jack
05-02-2008, 04:02 PM
The blasted Red Sox have scored 4 runs in their last 5 games. :mad:

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n124/jrcunniff/bosox.jpg

JTContinental
05-02-2008, 04:19 PM
It took the Mariners a surprisingly long time to remember how much they excel at losing. I guess that's progress.

The sad part is that we've been suffering the last few years with unpredictable starting pitching and weak batting (I'm talking about YOU, Richie Sexson). Now they've (mostly) cleared up those problems, and suddenly our top not bullpen goes to hell. Sigh...

patrick
05-02-2008, 04:29 PM
The blasted Red Sox have scored 4 runs in their last 5 games. :mad:

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n124/jrcunniff/bosox.jpg


Somehow, they still manage to go 2-3 in those games.

L Toronto 3-0
W Toronto 2-1
W Toronto 2-1
L Tampa Bay 3-0
L Tampa Bay 2-1

patrick
05-02-2008, 04:30 PM
The sad part is that we've been suffering the last few years with unpredictable starting pitching and weak batting (I'm talking about YOU, Richie Sexson). Now they've (mostly) cleared up those problems, and suddenly our top not bullpen goes to hell. Sigh...

JJ Putz just came back from the DL. Bullpen will be fine

ptmcmahon
05-02-2008, 10:02 PM
...and has been terrible since. Two blown saves so far I think...pitching like he might as well still be hurt.

JTContinental
05-02-2008, 10:03 PM
...and has been terrible since. Two blown saves so far I think...pitching like he might as well still be hurt.

But our stadium is still the prettiest.

ptmcmahon
05-02-2008, 10:09 PM
According to a recent poll on SI:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/specials/fansurvey/2008/index.html

It has the best "atmosphere". Fan IQ not as high though :P

It's actually one of two current baseball stadiums I've been to for a game so I can honestly say it's probably the nicest one I've seen. Went when they played the Yanks too...never heard anyone bood more than A-Rod that night.

munchin
05-03-2008, 04:02 PM
But our stadium is still the prettiest.


Amen to that.

mrjiggyfly2
05-07-2008, 09:19 PM
That Red Sox game really makes me sick. the Red Sox battle back from 4 down to take the lead. Detroit does absolutely nothing off Papelbon but somehow two runs score and the Tigers win. That almost shouldn't count as they didn't come close to hitting a ball hard off of him. Disgusting. It makes me sick that the Sox lost that game.

JTContinental
05-07-2008, 09:55 PM
Amen to that.


And you can get sushi at the concession stands.

shtexas
05-08-2008, 08:45 PM
Classless move by Sexson. :mad:

Jack
05-08-2008, 09:08 PM
Classless move by Sexson. :mad:

What happened?

shtexas
05-08-2008, 10:24 PM
What happened?

Our pitcher Gabbard made a pitch that was high, but directly over the plate (not inside in the slightest), and Sexson charged the mound. Gabbard is just back from a back problem, and shocked to see Sexson coming, went to the ground to protect himself. Sexson takes off his batting helmet and hurls it at Gabbard's back before jumping on him. Gabbard, who had allowed only one hit so far in the game had to leave with bruised legs. Just hope his back is ok. If the pitch had in any way been suspect, I could sorta understand it as this happens in baseball. But, it was just a normal pitch, directly over the plate and nowhere near Sexson. Gabbard did nothing wrong, was pitching great and was suddenly out of the game injured.

Rangers went on to win though, taking 3 of 4 in Seattle.

mrjiggyfly2
05-08-2008, 10:27 PM
That was bad by Sexson. The ball was not inside. Manny Ramirez once overreacted like that on a pitch from Roger Clemens.

By the way, the Red Sox demand Kason Gabbard back since Texas tricked them into trading him for Eric Gagne.

shtexas
05-08-2008, 10:34 PM
That was bad by Sexson. The ball was not inside. Manny Ramirez once overreacted like that on a pitch from Roger Clemens.

By the way, the Red Sox demand Kason Gabbard back since Texas tricked them into trading him for Eric Gagne.

Lol! I'll tell you, Texas re-populated its entire team with three trades last year. Watch out in 2010!

(if we stay patient and don't trade them all away)

mrjiggyfly2
05-08-2008, 10:37 PM
Lol! I'll tell you, Texas re-populated its entire team with three trades last year. Watch out in 2010!

(if we stay patient and don't trade them all away)

I'm sure Texas would have traded Gagne for a warm six-pack. Kason Gabbard could turn out to be a very good pitcher. The Sox are loaded but giving away Gabbard for Gagne ranks as one of Mr. Epstein's worst moves as GM.

shtexas
05-08-2008, 10:41 PM
I'm sure Texas would have traded Gagne for a warm six-pack. Kason Gabbard could turn out to be a very good pitcher. The Sox are loaded but giving away Gabbard for Gagne ranks as one of Mr. Epstein's worst moves as GM.

Funny thing was Gagne was pitching fine with us before the trade.

mrjiggyfly2
05-08-2008, 10:48 PM
Funny thing was Gagne was pitching fine with us before the trade.

That's the part where Texas tricked us!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

oohsalmon
05-09-2008, 04:47 AM
Our pitcher Gabbard made a pitch that was high, but directly over the plate (not inside in the slightest), and Sexson charged the mound. Gabbard is just back from a back problem, and shocked to see Sexson coming, went to the ground to protect himself. Sexson takes off his batting helmet and hurls it at Gabbard's back before jumping on him. Gabbard, who had allowed only one hit so far in the game had to leave with bruised legs. Just hope his back is ok. If the pitch had in any way been suspect, I could sorta understand it as this happens in baseball. But, it was just a normal pitch, directly over the plate and nowhere near Sexson. Gabbard did nothing wrong, was pitching great and was suddenly out of the game injured.

Rangers went on to win though, taking 3 of 4 in Seattle.

I cannot wait until this happens in tennis :D

patrick
05-09-2008, 04:52 AM
Our pitcher Gabbard made a pitch that was high, but directly over the plate (not inside in the slightest), and Sexson charged the mound. Gabbard is just back from a back problem, and shocked to see Sexson coming, went to the ground to protect himself. Sexson takes off his batting helmet and hurls it at Gabbard's back before jumping on him. Gabbard, who had allowed only one hit so far in the game had to leave with bruised legs. Just hope his back is ok. If the pitch had in any way been suspect, I could sorta understand it as this happens in baseball. But, it was just a normal pitch, directly over the plate and nowhere near Sexson. Gabbard did nothing wrong, was pitching great and was suddenly out of the game injured.

Rangers went on to win though, taking 3 of 4 in Seattle.


There will be fireworks the next time these 2 teams play especially if the next series is in Arlington.

Jack
05-14-2008, 06:50 PM
.....aaaaand the Red Sox finish the road trip 4-6 with a 4th straight loss and lost first place to the... Devil Rays?

:flipoff:

shtexas
05-14-2008, 07:29 PM
Texas was 9-18 and then brought in some of the kids from Triple A. They have now improved to 20-22.

Hmm...

patrick
05-15-2008, 02:57 AM
Texas was 9-18 and then brought in some of the kids from Triple A. They have now improved to 20-22.

Hmm...

Won't last though. Wait until July when the pitching staff give up tons of runs.

mrjiggyfly2
05-19-2008, 06:44 PM
Jon Lester a no-hitter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:boxing::beer::bowing::yahoo::thumbsup::rockon::ye s::overhead_clap::woohoo:

patrick
05-19-2008, 07:28 PM
Jon Lester a no-hitter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:boxing::beer::bowing::yahoo::thumbsup::rockon::ye s::overhead_clap::woohoo:

Congrats to him. Just waiting on Cubs-Astros to end so I can see the highlights

Jack
05-19-2008, 08:15 PM
Jon Lester a no-hitter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:boxing::beer::bowing::yahoo::thumbsup::rockon::ye s::overhead_clap::woohoo:

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. :)

bea26
05-19-2008, 08:22 PM
Jon Lester a no-hitter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:boxing::beer::bowing::yahoo::thumbsup::rockon::ye s::overhead_clap::woohoo:

What a great story.

mrjiggyfly2
05-19-2008, 08:37 PM
What a great story.

Yep. I hadn't planned on getting drunk tonight, but.....it is a great story!

bea26
05-19-2008, 08:39 PM
Yep. I hadn't planned on getting drunk tonight, but.....it is a great story!

LOL.

JTContinental
05-20-2008, 01:35 AM
Nothing to do with the no hitter, but I'm so hating baseball at this moment.

ptmcmahon
05-20-2008, 11:15 AM
At least you have sushi!

shtexas
05-27-2008, 08:07 PM
http://i.cnn.net/si/si_online/covers/images/2008/0602_large.jpg

A Texas Rangers player on the front cover of SI! Of course, it's because of his backstory.

patrick
05-28-2008, 02:40 AM
A Texas Rangers player on the front cover of SI! Of course, it's because of his backstory.

Leads the majors in RBI. Also, had a decent season for Cincy. No idea on why Cincy let him go. Good pick up for Texas.

ptmcmahon
05-28-2008, 11:36 PM
I grabbed him on both my fantasy teams...he's currently ranked #2 overall on Yahoo.

Unfortunately in one league I used his hot start to trade him for Carlos Guillen as I had terrible shortstop help (I also swapped pitchers in the deal) Unfortunately Hamilton got even hotter and Guillen started sucking and has hemmorhoids and can barely walk now!

shtexas
06-21-2008, 09:47 PM
The Texas Rangers are sitting at 500. Mainly because of new additions like Josh Hamilton and Dave Murphy (thanks Boston), Kason Gabbard (thanks again Boston), and the infusion of players from our farm system (many here due to the Teixeira trade to Atlanta last July). More are in the minors with catcher Max Ramirez just called up from AA to the majors (thanks Cleveland), starting pitcher Eric Hurley (we actually drafted him) called up 10 days ago, and including a stud first baseman(Chis Davis), SS Elvis Andrus (thanks Atlanta) and more pitching (watch fo Tommy Hunter, for example).

Rangers 2010 or 2011!

You heard it here first.

patrick
06-22-2008, 04:45 AM
The Texas Rangers are sitting at 500. Mainly because of new additions like Josh Hamilton and Dave Murphy (thanks Boston), Kason Gabbard (thanks again Boston), and the infusion of players from our farm system (many here due to the Teixeira trade to Atlanta last July). More are in the minors with catcher Max Ramirez just called up from AA to the majors (thanks Cleveland), starting pitcher Eric Hurley (we actually drafted him) called up 10 days ago, and including a stud first baseman(Chis Davis), SS Elvis Andrus (thanks Atlanta) and more pitching (watch fo Tommy Hunter, for example).

Rangers 2010 or 2011!

You heard it here first.


Sure as Texas will trade their minor league people for some more awful and veteran pitching in those years.

ptmcmahon
06-22-2008, 07:24 PM
They are doing ok...but the Salty for Tex trade looked bad today (Tex 3 homers, Salty 3 for last 31 I think.)

The Hamilton for Volquez trade is working out awesome for both teams though! That's win win!

shtexas
06-22-2008, 08:25 PM
They are doing ok...but the Salty for Tex trade looked bad today (Tex 3 homers, Salty 3 for last 31 I think.)

The Hamilton for Volquez trade is working out awesome for both teams though! That's win win!

It wasn't so much Salty for us in that trade. It was all the minor leaguers we received. Salty may ultimately be pushed aside by Max Ramirez.

shtexas
06-22-2008, 08:29 PM
Sure as Texas will trade their minor league people for some more awful and veteran pitching in those years.

That's a sore spot with me. The three trades late last year made up for the awful trade earlier - sending John Danks to the White Sox for McCarthy. We groomed Danks and then traded him away for nothing. Made no sense then or now. Worse, we didn't know he was ready for the majors, but the White Sox put him right in, and he was fine. :mad:

mjschaefer
06-28-2008, 08:15 AM
Cleveland is horrible this year. If I recall Max Ramirez was traded for Kenny Lofton? Pure sentimental value in that deal there. Kenny was awesome for us down the stretch last year.

Pathetic that they were a game away from the World Series and are now toiling in last place.

shtexas- You want Sabathia? I've heard the Rangers named mentioned a bunch. I would love for him to go there, if we can't retain him.

Danielle
07-07-2008, 11:19 AM
Okay baseball fans...I need your help!

My brother lives in Houston so has in the past bought himself Astros tickets but hasn't bought himself any for this season yet due to other things. For his birthday, I'd like to buy him a Sunday game ticket but am trying to decide which game might be best. Should it be (in scheduling order):

1) Chicago Cubs
2) New York Mets
3) Arizona Diamondbacks
4) St. Louis Cardinals
5) Atlanta Braves

Any input is appreciated - thank you!!

patrick
07-07-2008, 12:14 PM
Okay baseball fans...I need your help!

My brother lives in Houston so has in the past bought himself Astros tickets but hasn't bought himself any for this season yet due to other things. For his birthday, I'd like to buy him a Sunday game ticket but am trying to decide which game might be best. Should it be (in scheduling order):

1) Chicago Cubs
2) New York Mets
3) Arizona Diamondbacks
4) St. Louis Cardinals
5) Atlanta Braves

Any input is appreciated - thank you!!

Buy a ticket for the Chicago Cubs as they are the first place team in their division. Also, think the Cubs are the best team in the NL.

Pierre1
07-07-2008, 09:56 PM
Is this the year for the Cubbies? That would be terrific.

While I wasn't looking, Tampa Bay overtook the Red Sox. My nephew, the biggest Yankee fan I know, phoned to tell me.

I'm amending my will.

ptmcmahon
07-07-2008, 10:18 PM
Plus, since they're both in the central division there's the obvious geographic rivalry between Chicago and Houston ;)

My pick would be Cubbies as well...they are first now and imagine if this is the year they win...could say he saw them!

mrjiggyfly2
07-08-2008, 07:53 PM
I was surprised to read that Mardy Fish, the top seed at Newport, threw out the first pitch at the Red Sox game tonight. :rockon:

shtexas
07-08-2008, 07:59 PM
Cleveland is horrible this year. If I recall Max Ramirez was traded for Kenny Lofton? Pure sentimental value in that deal there. Kenny was awesome for us down the stretch last year.

Pathetic that they were a game away from the World Series and are now toiling in last place.

shtexas- You want Sabathia? I've heard the Rangers named mentioned a bunch. I would love for him to go there, if we can't retain him.

He's in Milwaukee now. I honestly never heard a peep that we were interested or in any way involved. The Brewers, however, have our GM from our best years, so it makes sense some might make a connection.

I am happy with all the youngsters coming up. I'm in the mood to let them mature and not trade any of them away.

Danielle
07-08-2008, 10:27 PM
Buy a ticket for the Chicago Cubs as they are the first place team in their division. Also, think the Cubs are the best team in the NL.


Plus, since they're both in the central division there's the obvious geographic rivalry between Chicago and Houston ;)

My pick would be Cubbies as well...they are first now and imagine if this is the year they win...could say he saw them!

Awesome - thanks patrick & pt! The Cubbies it is...

Pierre1
07-09-2008, 06:21 AM
I was surprised to read that Mardy Fish, the top seed at Newport, threw out the first pitch at the Red Sox game tonight.

Mardy woulda' made Tim Wakefield's stuff look like bullets. Might have been more fun to see Dent's wind-up instead. :eek:

____________________________

So Sabathia goes to the Brewers and the Cubs get Gaudin and Harden. Season is just half over, folks.

Jack
07-13-2008, 09:13 PM
Red Sox back in first in the AL East before the All Star break. Hoping it's a good omen that between the Sox, Rays, and Yankees, only the Sox are playing more than half of their remaining games at home. :cheesy: Rays haven't been as tough on the road this year.

morancito
07-15-2008, 10:38 AM
Anybody saw the HR Derby last night?

That was some display by Josh Hamilton. They guy can certainly mash.

mwoods
07-15-2008, 10:41 AM
Anybody saw the HR Derby last night?

That was some display by Josh Hamilton. They guy can certainly mash.

Yeah, makes me think that maybe the HR Derby should be a one-round format, because Hamilton was clearly the star of the night, but if you do so well in the first round, it's hard to have the energy left to win the thing.

GVGirl
07-15-2008, 10:43 AM
Anybody saw the HR Derby last night?

That was some display by Josh Hamilton. They guy can certainly mash.

Sure did! I watched it on ESPN Deportes just to listen to it in Spanish.(I'm learning) It sounded more exciting than on regular ESPN.

Tennis, baseball, hockey and football are my loves.

patrick
07-15-2008, 10:53 AM
Everybody will forget that Justin Morneau was the actual winner of the contest but 28 HR in 38 at bats was an amazing feat for Josh Hamilton in the first round.

Moose
07-15-2008, 10:55 AM
Curious...how (if at all) our town's Chase Utley's oops moment from last night is playing anywhere else? He's practically deified here in Philly, so the worse it has been called is unfortunate, and some are even calling the remark well deserved.

mwoods
07-15-2008, 10:57 AM
Curious...how (if at all) our town's Chase Utley's oops moment from last night is playing anywhere else? He's practically deified here in Philly, so the worse it has been called is unfortunate, and some are even calling the remark well deserved.

I missed it altogether...what did he say?

Moose
07-15-2008, 11:00 AM
I missed it altogether...what did he say?

He was booed when he was introduced for the Home Run Derby. Must have been a good number of Mets fans in the audience. But I was surprised with the booing, since he was the leading votegetter, is a real classy guy, and plays with more heart than 99.9% of the pros in MLB.


Anyway, he forgot he was wearing a wireless mike. And dropped the "F" bomb in response to the boos.

mwoods
07-15-2008, 11:07 AM
He was booed when he was introduced for the Home Run Derby. Must have been a good number of Mets fans in the audience. But I was surprised with the booing, since he was the leading votegetter, is a real classy guy, and plays with more heart than 99.9% of the pros in MLB.


Anyway, he forgot he was wearing a wireless mike. And dropped the "F" bomb in response to the boos.

Ah, pullin' a Serena! (But no, I didn't hear or read anything about it over here in the West.)

morancito
07-15-2008, 11:30 AM
Sure did! I watched it on ESPN Deportes just to listen to it in Spanish.(I'm learning) It sounded more exciting than on regular ESPN.

Tennis, baseball, hockey and football are my loves.

Baseball is my original love. Played a lot during my younger years.

I, too, love football. Dan Marino is the player who I have idolized the most ever, out of any sport. Yup, even more than Federer.

patrick
07-15-2008, 12:06 PM
He was booed when he was introduced for the Home Run Derby. Must have been a good number of Mets fans in the audience. But I was surprised with the booing, since he was the leading votegetter, is a real classy guy, and plays with more heart than 99.9% of the pros in MLB.


Anyway, he forgot he was wearing a wireless mike. And dropped the "F" bomb in response to the boos.


Well, the Mets' fans will really have fun with him for a long time.

But, I do agree that Chase plays with a lot of heart.

mwoods
07-15-2008, 06:40 PM
Anyone just see the gun-down of Pujols by Ichiro? What a stud.

Moose
07-15-2008, 07:43 PM
I know it may sound hokey...but I love hearing Josh Groban sing.

Pierre1
07-16-2008, 11:08 PM
Baseball is my original love. Played a lot during my younger years.

That's how "Morancito" came to be, if I recall correctly. ;)

Moose
07-22-2008, 07:10 PM
Phillies in a 3 game series with the Mets at Shea that began tonight, with first place on the line. They both are tied right now for first, with the Marlins a game behind.

Mets were leading 5-2 going into the 9th. So far, the Phils have scored 6 runs, and have two runners on, and are on their 11th batter this inning. The Phillies are about as fun as it gets in baseball right now.

patrick
07-22-2008, 07:32 PM
Phillies in a 3 game series with the Mets at Shea that began tonight, with first place on the line. They both are tied right now for first, with the Marlins a game behind.

Mets were leading 5-2 going into the 9th. So far, the Phils have scored 6 runs, and have two runners on, and are on their 11th batter this inning. The Phillies are about as fun as it gets in baseball right now.

Philly wins 8-6. In my opinion, Phillies have the best offense in the major leagues with Rollins, Utley(my MVP pick for 2008 unless he tails off), Howard(best HR hitter in MLB and can drive in the runs even with a subpar average), and Burrell (having a good year that is unnoticed). Will Philly get adequate pitching to win the division or make it as a wild card?

mjschaefer
07-24-2008, 09:09 AM
Philly wins 8-6. In my opinion, Phillies have the best offense in the major leagues with Rollins, Utley(my MVP pick for 2008 unless he tails off), Howard(best HR hitter in MLB and can drive in the runs even with a subpar average), and Burrell (having a good year that is unnoticed). Will Philly get adequate pitching to win the division or make it as a wild card?

It's tough to argue against that offense, but I can't bet against Texas. They've got overachieving playmakers at every position. Kinda fun to watch.

patrick
07-24-2008, 09:47 AM
It's tough to argue against that offense, but I can't bet against Texas. They've got overachieving playmakers at every position. Kinda fun to watch.

Texas offense has been good for years. This year - Kinsler, Young(you can count on for 200 hits), Hamilton (almost 100 RBIs and 28 hrs in round 1 on HR derby), and Bradley (may be having a career year)

mjschaefer
07-24-2008, 09:50 AM
Texas offense has been good for years. This year - Kinsler, Young(you can count on for 200 hits), Hamilton (almost 100 RBIs and 28 hrs in round 1 on HR derby), and Bradley (may be having a career year)

Yeah its been good for years, but keep in mind this is the first full season with out Mark Teixiera and they haven't missed a beat. They called up Chris Davis a few weeks ago and I think he already has half a dozen HRs. Plus if Hank Blalock ever returns to All-Star form they'll add another masher to their lineup.

Meanwhile as an Indians fan...we've got nobody other than Grady hitting well.

patrick
07-24-2008, 10:03 AM
Yeah its been good for years, but keep in mind this is the first full season with out Mark Teixiera and they haven't missed a beat. They called up Chris Davis a few weeks ago and I think he already has half a dozen HRs. Plus if Hank Blalock ever returns to All-Star form they'll add another masher to their lineup.

Meanwhile as an Indians fan...we've got nobody other than Grady hitting well.

Tex is doing OK in Atlanta but may be out due to $$$ issues.

What happened to Victor and Travis all of a sudden beside injuries? Tribe did not want to pay CC and all he has done is win 4 starts with the last 3 being complete games.

mjschaefer
07-24-2008, 10:15 AM
What happened to Victor and Travis all of a sudden beside injuries? Tribe did not want to pay CC and all he has done is win 4 starts with the last 3 being complete games.

Victor ruptured a hamstring (sounds extremely painful) yet continued to play. He lost the power from his legs to hit a ball deep. He kept playing until the pain became unbearable. Hafner has shoulder problems. He was playing with less than 70 percent shoulder strength. I think Travis can comeback this season, but would like to hold Victor out until next. Neither player might ever regain what they once were.

Both Carmona and Westbrook went down with injuries, the bullpen has been terrible, and the Indians offense regressed from last year. Trading Sabathia was the logical conclusion giving him a chance to go to a team that is competing, and allowing that he might leave anyways, they got a great young player in Matt LaPorta.

Sabathia and the club parted on great terms though. There is a chance that he could return to Cleveland after the season. It would be my dream come true. He joined the team in 01 and has been a joy to watch. It was a painful week after he was traded.

mwoods
08-06-2008, 02:51 PM
Phew. Chris Young of the D-backs just broke up a perfect game for Karstens of the Pirates in the bottom of the 8th. He pitched a fantastic game, and I would've been cheering for him against anyone but the D-backs.

ptmcmahon
08-06-2008, 06:04 PM
Wow...I play in multiple fantasy baseball leagues so if I don't recognize someone, they must be anonymous. Who is Karstens?

mwoods
08-06-2008, 07:00 PM
Wow...I play in multiple fantasy baseball leagues so if I don't recognize someone, they must be anonymous. Who is Karstens?

Yeah, only his second start this year and eleventh of his career. In the one before this, he shut out the Cubs for 6 (I think) innings.

In other words, pick him up!! ;)

shtexas
08-06-2008, 07:55 PM
Texas offense has been good for years. This year - Kinsler, Young(you can count on for 200 hits), Hamilton (almost 100 RBIs and 28 hrs in round 1 on HR derby), and Bradley (may be having a career year)

That is what most people say. But those of us in Texas know that in the last few years, we couldn't hit our way out of a paper bag. That was a huge part of why Teixeira was so upset and wanted out of here. He was not protected in the line-up - they didn't have to pitch to him since no one was behind him in the line-up (except for that short period of time Carlos Lee was with us). Last year, we had to pull out all sorts of tricks to manufacture some runs. But, this year, the additions of Hamilton and Bradley, as well as a little seasoning for Kinsler changed all that. Then, up came one of the young studs we were waiting on - Chris Davis. We have others from that Teixeira trade too - pitchers Matt Harrison (already up at 22) and Neftali Feliz (who has national scouts showing up to AA Frisco games to marvel at his speed), and 19 year-old shortstop Elvis Andrus. The Braves gave us their farm system. We gladly accepted. Also, our catcher position is so loaded now, Salty is going to have to blossom fast, or he won't be the one. He may turn out to be the disposable player from that trade.

mjschaefer
08-08-2008, 08:36 AM
Wow...I play in multiple fantasy baseball leagues so if I don't recognize someone, they must be anonymous. Who is Karstens?

I believe that he's a former Yankee prospect and was traded to the Pirates as part of the Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte deal.

patrick
08-08-2008, 08:50 AM
That is what most people say. But those of us in Texas know that in the last few years, we couldn't hit our way out of a paper bag. That was a huge part of why Teixeira was so upset and wanted out of here. He was not protected in the line-up - they didn't have to pitch to him since no one was behind him in the line-up (except for that short period of time Carlos Lee was with us). Last year, we had to pull out all sorts of tricks to manufacture some runs. But, this year, the additions of Hamilton and Bradley, as well as a little seasoning for Kinsler changed all that. Then, up came one of the young studs we were waiting on - Chris Davis. We have others from that Teixeira trade too - pitchers Matt Harrison (already up at 22) and Neftali Feliz (who has national scouts showing up to AA Frisco games to marvel at his speed), and 19 year-old shortstop Elvis Andrus. The Braves gave us their farm system. We gladly accepted. Also, our catcher position is so loaded now, Salty is going to have to blossom fast, or he won't be the one. He may turn out to be the disposable player from that trade.

Tex is protected by Vlad at LAA and he will have plenty of fastballs to feast on. While at Atlanta this year, he is the reason, Chipper batted over .400 for a while 'cuz he batted in the cleanup spot behind him.

kandi
08-08-2008, 09:10 AM
Ibanez lines first walk-off homer for Mariners this season Aug. 8, 2008
CBSSports.com wire reports


SEATTLE -- Stunned looks in the dugout. Cold silence in the clubhouse. Shrugged shoulders all around.

Not all game-ending moments go the way of the Rays these days. It only seems like it.

Raul Ibanez lined a hanging pitch from Dan Wheeler like a laser inside the right-field foul pole, Seattle's first game-ending home run in its lost season, and the Mariners beat AL East-leading Tampa Bay 2-1 on Thursday night.

"Raul hit that ball so hard, it didn't have time to go foul," Seattle manager Jim Riggleman said.

Ibanez didn't have time to comprehend what he'd just done.

"You really don't realize until you are going around the bases what's going on," Ibanez said.

On the other side of the country a day earlier, the Rays' six-run bottom of the ninth ended with Carlos Pena's home run that stunned Cleveland and sent Tampa Bay into a mosh pit at home plate. Manager Joe Maddon was still glowing from that Thursday, calling it the most exciting win of his team's thrill-ride from laughingstocks to legitimate this season.

Then came Ibanez's fourth career walkoff home run. It prompted a wild, on-field celebration by the team with the AL's worst record.

Moose
09-14-2008, 06:01 PM
Our Philadelphia Phillies came into this 4 day weekend (series starting Thursday v. the Brewers) 3 games behind the Mets in their division, and 4 games behind the Brewers for the wildcard.

We've allready won 3, and its 6-0 in the 6th in game 4. Looks like a four game sweep of the Brewers, and a tie for the lead in the Wildcard. And the Mets struggles this weekend, and we are now only 1 game behind the Mets for the division lead.

12 games left. I love September baseball when playoff races are in full mode.

patrick
09-14-2008, 06:10 PM
Will the Phillies end up catching the Mets like they did in 2007? Only 2 weeks to go.

jjnow
09-14-2008, 07:31 PM
Carlos Zambrano just threw a no-hitter. The first for the Cubs since 1972.

They were in Milwaukee because of the Houston floods.

I hate Chicago, but it was pretty amazing. It was oh so close to a perfect game, but some dunce on the team had an error.

patrick
09-14-2008, 07:40 PM
Carlos Zambrano just threw a no-hitter. The first for the Cubs since 1972.

They were in Milwaukee because of the Houston floods.

I hate Chicago, but it was pretty amazing. It was oh so close to a perfect game, but some dunce on the team had an error.

Cubs did not make an error. Carlos walked one and hit another batter. Wonderful accomplishment by him who struck out his 10th and last batter of the game

jjnow
09-14-2008, 08:08 PM
Cubs did not make an error. Carlos walked one and hit another batter. Wonderful accomplishment by him who struck out his 10th and last batter of the game
Thanks. I had to follow on the computer. I didn't see him walk a guy, but it may have been when I wasn't paying attention.

Moose
09-16-2008, 07:09 PM
Ryan Howard just hit an opposite field homer in the 8th inning to give the Phillies an 8-7 lead on Atlanta (sorry, JJ and Aedra). Over the last couple of weeks, the Phillies have been as exciting as any sports franchise playing.
And the Mets lost, and the Brewers are losing, so this game has huge playoff implications.

mrjiggyfly2
09-16-2008, 07:13 PM
Tampa Bay just keeps holding the Sox off. They are very tough and they're pissing me off

Moose
09-16-2008, 07:15 PM
Tampa Bay just keeps holding the Sox off. They are very tough and they're pissing me off

Boston's in the lead for the WC, aren't they Jiggy?

mrjiggyfly2
09-16-2008, 07:32 PM
Boston's in the lead for the WC, aren't they Jiggy?

yes Moose, the sox are pretty much in the playoffs unless they collapse. There's more drama in the NL for sure.

Moose
09-16-2008, 07:35 PM
yes Moose, the sox are pretty much in the playoffs unless they collapse. There's more drama in the NL for sure.

NL's a hotbed right now. Gotta love it.

Bottom of the 9th now Phils still up 8-7. Lidge is in, facing 3-4-5 in the Brave's lineup.

Jack
09-16-2008, 08:45 PM
Tampa Bay just keeps holding the Sox off. They are very tough and they're pissing me off

I don't mind getting in on a wild card. :cheesy:

I just don't want the Sox to end up facing Manny and the Dodgers for the World Series. I'd have a bad feeling about that.

mrjiggyfly2
09-16-2008, 09:29 PM
I don't mind getting in on a wild card. :cheesy:

I just don't want the Sox to end up facing Manny and the Dodgers for the World Series. I'd have a bad feeling about that.

We'll beat Manny & Co. if we get there.

patrick
09-17-2008, 04:14 AM
NL's a hotbed right now. Gotta love it.

Bottom of the 9th now Phils still up 8-7. Lidge is in, facing 3-4-5 in the Brave's lineup.

They held on despite Lidge walking 3 batters.

jjnow
09-21-2008, 02:56 PM
I'm not a fan of the team, but RIP Yankee Stadium. The plans for the park sound like a wonderful idea.

patrick
09-21-2008, 04:03 PM
Tampa Bay made the playoffs for the first time in their history and the Chicago Cubs won the division for the 2nd consecutive year.

amenssen
09-25-2008, 08:43 PM
How bout some love for my team, the twins. Now a half game up after seeping the White Sox, and winning the final game in 10 after being down at least 4. Who could have seen this coming at the begenning of the year. it's almost as good a story as the rays.

jjnow
09-25-2008, 08:51 PM
TB is a total shocker. But Yankees are shut out so all is well.

patrick
09-26-2008, 04:14 AM
How bout some love for my team, the twins. Now a half game up after seeping the White Sox, and winning the final game in 10 after being down at least 4. Who could have seen this coming at the begenning of the year. it's almost as good a story as the rays.

Indeed it is but Minnesota always have stayed in contention with little payroll. My advice is for the Twins to sign Justin Morneau instead of repeating the Johan Santana deal. Also, how about the Mets coming from 3 down to win and the Brewers slammed the Pirates(don't they always these days).

ptmcmahon
10-04-2008, 11:10 PM
Bye bye Cubbies! 100 years in a row!

Jack
10-04-2008, 11:16 PM
Bye bye Cubbies! 100 years in a row!


:(:(:(

GVGirl
10-05-2008, 05:19 AM
I'm a Yankees fan and I was cheering for the Cubs. :(

Great job by Joe Torre. :) I want to shoot Yankees management for not re-hiring him. :gun:

Ti-Amie
10-05-2008, 07:36 AM
I'm a Yankees fan and I was cheering for the Cubs. :(

Great job by Joe Torre. :) I want to shoot Yankees management for not re-hiring him. :gun:

That makes two of us. He took Manny Ramirez, an acknowledged PITA and look what he got out of him.
:gun:Damn Yankee management.

GVGirl
10-05-2008, 07:39 AM
That makes two of us. He took Manny Ramirez, an acknowledged PITA and look what he got out of him.
:gun:Damn Yankee management.


Torre is a master of sports psychology and bringing out the strengths in his players.

nelslus
10-05-2008, 07:44 AM
Bye bye Cubbies! 100 years in a row!


:pissedoff:

(Actually, truth be told, I don't care all that much about baseball. No room for anyone else but V and Rog. BUT- I continue to feel awful for my poor dad, who was AT the Cubs' last World Series in 1945.....and has been rooting them on.....year after pathetic year.....:()

Jack
10-05-2008, 09:33 PM
Freakin' Angels.

&#37;&$#@.... I didn't stay up late to watch a 12-inning Red Sox loss.

patrick
10-06-2008, 05:06 AM
Freakin' Angels.

%&$#@.... I didn't stay up late to watch a 12-inning Red Sox loss.

Went to sleep after KRod got out of a bases loaded jam in the bottom of 10th.

tennisbrp
10-06-2008, 06:50 AM
Freakin' Angels.

%&$#@.... I didn't stay up late to watch a 12-inning Red Sox loss.

I have tickets for tonight but I am telling you, I was praying for it to end. It will be nice to go freeze my a** off tonight but not at the expense of possibly driving home 2-2 and the prospect of the team flying to LA. I, being bred here, was born nervous and that was vicious.

Moose
10-06-2008, 07:13 AM
http://www.sportslogos.net/images/logos/54/70/full/1274.gif

jjnow
10-06-2008, 07:59 AM
Moose, all I see is a red-X. Please tell me that's not a photo of the Phillies.

patrick
10-06-2008, 08:22 AM
Moose, all I see is a red-X. Please tell me that's not a photo of the Phillies.


Ditto.

Moose
10-06-2008, 08:26 AM
Moose, all I see is a red-X. Please tell me that's not a photo of the Phillies.

Something happened after I posted it, JJ. It was a logo, not a photo.

You really don't like them, do you? I remember having that discussion with you earlier in the season. They're a really fun team, with some great guys. Victorino has the city completely in love with him right now. Utley and Howard are probably the most admired athletes here in Philly right now. It's been a real fun September/October, and glad it's going to continue for at least a Best of 7 series.

tennisbrp
10-06-2008, 08:50 AM
Something happened after I posted it, JJ. It was a logo, not a photo.

You really don't like them, do you? I remember having that discussion with you earlier in the season. They're a really fun team, with some great guys. Victorino has the city completely in love with him right now. Utley and Howard are probably the most admired athletes here in Philly right now. It's been a real fun September/October, and glad it's going to continue for at least a Best of 7 series.

I'd love to meet this team in two rounds. Basically because it is the only one I can stomach losing to. No Torre and Manny, please. And no White Sox.

jjnow
10-06-2008, 03:47 PM
Something happened after I posted it, JJ. It was a logo, not a photo.

You really don't like them, do you? I remember having that discussion with you earlier in the season. They're a really fun team, with some great guys. Victorino has the city completely in love with him right now. Utley and Howard are probably the most admired athletes here in Philly right now. It's been a real fun September/October, and glad it's going to continue for at least a Best of 7 series.
I begrudgingly congratulate your city on their recent success. ;)

Red Sox are bringing it home tonight. Sorry Anaheim fans.

I want a Boston/LA series.

bea26
10-06-2008, 03:48 PM
I begrudgingly congratulate your city on their recent success. ;)

Red Sox are bringing it home tonight. Sorry Anaheim fans.

I want a Boston/LA series.

You and me both! :cheesy:

Jack
10-06-2008, 03:49 PM
I'd love to meet this team in two rounds. Basically because it is the only one I can stomach losing to. No Torre and Manny, please. And no White Sox.

Manny doesn't deserve to play for the World Series. Which, unfortunately, means they'll probably win the whole thing.

verucasalt
10-06-2008, 04:46 PM
I think it's safe to call it, congrats Rays fans.

Maybe next year will be the year for the White Sox.

amenssen
10-06-2008, 05:48 PM
I think it's safe to call it, congrats Rays fans.

Maybe next year will be the year for the White Sox.

Hopefully not. go Twins (next year)

Moose
10-06-2008, 07:02 PM
Manny doesn't deserve to play for the World Series. Which, unfortunately, means they'll probably win the whole thing.

Manny's 3-22 at Citizen Bank Park. And 5-27 lifetime against the combo of our 1 and 2 pitchers (Hamels and Myers).

Moose
10-06-2008, 07:14 PM
looks like the Sox are wanting to wrap this up tonight.

Think I'd most enjoy a Philly/Boston series. The fans here will welcome Francona back with dropped trousers open arms, I'm sure.

Ti-Amie
10-06-2008, 08:39 PM
I'm bleeding Dodger blue this year, Ramirez and all.

jjnow
10-06-2008, 08:40 PM
Boston game was a nail-biter.

Good stuff.

bea26
10-06-2008, 09:22 PM
GO SOX!!!

oohsalmon
10-06-2008, 09:44 PM
I liked the Red Sox so much more before 2004.

Now they're just Yankees 2.0 :(

Jack
10-07-2008, 04:23 AM
I liked the Red Sox so much more before 2004.

Now they're just Yankees 2.0 :(

No way!!

They don't have the ass Steinbrenner factor. Their payroll is only 60% of the Yankees. If you look at their team, they have five players earning more than $10M, vs. the Yankees twelve. And their best players at the moment (Lester, Papelbon, Pedroia) all make less than $1M. Epstein just knows how to put a team together. They're Oakland 2.0, just more successful than the A's were. ;)

patrick
10-07-2008, 05:31 AM
Boston - LA Dodgers World Series. The return of Joe Torre, Manny Ramirez, Derek Lowe, and Nomar Garciaparra back to Fenway Park. However, since Nomar left, Boston won 2 Series titles and are winning just like the Yankees are. Agree with Salmon, besides payroll, that they are Yankees 2.0

jjnow
10-07-2008, 06:50 AM
The Sox are no Evil Empire.

tennisbrp
10-07-2008, 06:55 AM
Boston game was a nail-biter.

Good stuff.

Got home at 3AM (cue matchbox twenty) after the game. It was insane. I guess there will be much made of the squeeze bunt and call. Seeing it live I have to say I thought he would be called safe. Nonetheless, we were sitting next to 2 Angels fan and we all agreed it was not the greatest call by Scocia at that point with that count and only 1 out. But that is always easy to say after something fails. I felt slightly bad for my Angel fans but that's the way it goes....they left like 45 men on base in the series so get it done.

Sox/Rays....good lord, maybe 50 percent of New England lives in greater Tampa....this will be interesting

Foxykhat
10-07-2008, 07:10 AM
The Sox are no Evil Empire.

Yes they are. I hate the Red SUX:p:p

Foxy

Moose
10-07-2008, 07:18 AM
Tampa and Boston each have one of my five favorite restaurants in the United States. Bern's in Tampa, which is probably #2 in my book....and Grill 23 in Boston.

I haven't gotten to see a lot of Tampa this season. They didn't get a lot of coverage that I can recall on national TV (at least when I was tuned in), and outside of NY, Boston and the Orioles (because of the proximity of the Baltimore market), the AL gets really scant coverage in the Philadelphia media. Looking forward to seeing this series.

patrick
10-07-2008, 07:33 AM
Got home at 3AM (cue matchbox twenty) after the game. It was insane. I guess there will be much made of the squeeze bunt and call. Seeing it live I have to say I thought he would be called safe. Nonetheless, we were sitting next to 2 Angels fan and we all agreed it was not the greatest call by Scocia at that point with that count and only 1 out. But that is always easy to say after something fails. I felt slightly bad for my Angel fans but that's the way it goes....they left like 45 men on base in the series so get it done.

Sox/Rays....good lord, maybe 50 percent of New England lives in greater Tampa....this will be interesting

Thought that was a good move by LAA since they have not ,other than Torii Hunter,been getting the clutch hit. LAA did not execute the play.

tennisbrp
10-07-2008, 08:56 AM
Thought that was a good move by LAA since they have not ,other than Torii Hunter,been getting the clutch hit. LAA did not execute the play.

True. I guess it's just that we were pretty close to the field and it is so much more dramatic with the infield drawn in like that and Delcarmen although capable of a strikeout was pitching behind in that count. I think it's just that we felt pretty certain that run was coming home and then after the play it was a WTF moment but I can see the side of making the call also. Gutsy.

Jack
10-07-2008, 06:48 PM
Boston - LA Dodgers World Series. The return of Joe Torre, Manny Ramirez, Derek Lowe, and Nomar Garciaparra back to Fenway Park. However, since Nomar left, Boston won 2 Series titles and are winning just like the Yankees are. Agree with Salmon, besides payroll, that they are Yankees 2.0

Still not seeing it.


I don't think you can discount payroll, because that was always considered part of the Yankees M.O. And the Sox generally follow Moneyball/Sabermetrics philosophies, looking past basic stats (HR, RBI, etc.) to find a player's value. In the past few years they've dumped major players who had great numbers but were dragging the team down (Garciaparra, Ramierez), or were overpriced despite their numbers (Martinez, Damon).



There's no comparison between the management styles of the teams. Clubhouse chemistry is huge on the Sox, as witnessed by trading Ramierez for Bay. If the Yankees had the same focus (and - frankly- if their management had smaller egos) they never would have treated Joe Torre the way they did last year.



And - it pains me to say this as a Sox fan - they need a lot more years of contending for titles before you can compare them to the Yankees. The last five years have been great from my perspective, but it's a blink of an eye compared to the Yankees domination.

oohsalmon
10-07-2008, 06:52 PM
They're the Yankees 2.0 because of their unparalleled spending and payroll, and the horrible way people bandwagon them.

As an Orioles fan, it's tough having to deal with both of them. Good on Tampa for breaking out against all odds.

Ti-Amie
10-07-2008, 09:42 PM
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c83/roddickwatch/personal/arod_fail.jpg

Found on mtf in someone's siggy.

Jack
10-08-2008, 04:12 AM
They're the Yankees 2.0 because of their unparalleled spending and payroll, and the horrible way people bandwagon them.

As an Orioles fan, it's tough having to deal with both of them. Good on Tampa for breaking out against all odds.

I don't think you can categorize their spending as "unparalleled" when their payroll is 4th highest, and the five or so teams behind them are within 10%. If a third of the league has payrolls in the neighborhood of the Red Sox, how is that unparalleled? And as I said before, their payroll is about 60% of what the Yankees payroll is; it's not even close.

Bandwagoning happens to any dominant team.

Moose
10-09-2008, 07:59 PM
NLCS - GAME 1


DODGERS.....2
PHILLIES....3


:yahoo:

Ti-Amie
10-09-2008, 08:56 PM
http://yelims.free.fr/Groumph/Triste14.gif

shtexas
10-09-2008, 10:02 PM
NLCS - GAME 1


DODGERS.....2
PHILLIES....3


:yahoo:

Congratulations Moose.

I'm kinda rooting for the Dodgers because of the Manny Ramirez storyline. I want a Red Sox/Dodgers World Series. It would make for the better story. But, I have nothing against the Phillies...other than liking the Mets more. ;)

Kirkus
10-09-2008, 10:32 PM
Damned Phillies.

tennisbrp
10-10-2008, 05:18 AM
This game was tough for me to decide who I wanted to win....similar to some tennis matches. I found myself initially rooting for Philly and then after the first home run I was rooting for Lowe to get out of the inning without a loss. I like Lowe a lot. Oh well...at least it is a lot less stressful a watch than Sox/Rays for me.

Moose
10-10-2008, 05:37 AM
Is anyone else familiar with our curse? You always hear the stories about the Bambino, and the goat, but we've got our own.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Billy_Penn

We have now gone 100 professional sports seasons without a title (the last being when the 76'ers won the NBA championship in 1983). That's 25 years of Phillies/Eagles/Sixers/Flyers frustrations. Dang, even Smarty Jones let us down when he was running for the Triple Crown (and yes, there was talk of a parade for Smarty if he won the Belmont - that's how starved we are for a sports-related celebration).

shtexas
10-10-2008, 08:06 AM
The main reason I cannot root for Tampa Bay is a selfish one. Of the loser franchises in MLB, I want the Texas Rangers to win the World Series first.

oohsalmon
10-10-2008, 08:35 AM
Is anyone else familiar with our curse? You always hear the stories about the Bambino, and the goat, but we've got our own.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Billy_Penn

We have now gone 100 professional sports seasons without a title (the last being when the 76'ers won the NBA championship in 1983). That's 25 years of Phillies/Eagles/Sixers/Flyers frustrations. Dang, even Smarty Jones let us down when he was running for the Triple Crown (and yes, there was talk of a parade for Smarty if he won the Belmont - that's how starved we are for a sports-related celebration).

I know it well :(.

I really want the Flyers to be the one to break the curse, but if the Phillies win and seriously open floodgates to a Flyers cup within the next two seasons, I'd have to accept that.

Moose
10-10-2008, 08:44 AM
I know it well :(.

I really want the Flyers to be the one to break the curse, but if the Phillies win and seriously open floodgates to a Flyers cup within the next two seasons, I'd have to accept that.

Speaking of the Flyers, Salmon...did you hear who is "ceremoniously" dropping the puck for the home opener tomorrow?

I don't care which one of the four does it. We're starved for a title.

This Phillies team is incredibly likable. And they are now 80-0 when leading in the 8th inning. This season has been a blast, and I hope they can find a way to win 7 more games.

oohsalmon
10-10-2008, 12:13 PM
Speaking of the Flyers, Salmon...did you hear who is "ceremoniously" dropping the puck for the home opener tomorrow?

I don't care which one of the four does it. We're starved for a title.

This Phillies team is incredibly likable. And they are now 80-0 when leading in the 8th inning. This season has been a blast, and I hope they can find a way to win 7 more games.

Ugh, I most certainly did. I mentioned it in the Election thread.

I wish I could be there to boo her myself. Philly fans don't know how to give anyone a warm reception, much less an unpopular politician.

I'm hoping she cries.

Jack
10-10-2008, 01:00 PM
We have now gone 100 professional sports seasons without a title (the last being when the 76'ers won the NBA championship in 1983). That's 25 years of Phillies/Eagles/Sixers/Flyers frustrations. Dang, even Smarty Jones let us down when he was running for the Triple Crown (and yes, there was talk of a parade for Smarty if he won the Belmont - that's how starved we are for a sports-related celebration).

It's unfortunate his affair with Chris came after his successes, or you might have seen her on the float he was pulling in the parade. Or maybe she would have just been riding him? :lipsrsealed:



This Phillies team is incredibly likable. And they are now 80-0 when leading in the 8th inning. This season has been a blast, and I hope they can find a way to win 7 more games.

That's an incredible stat.

Scotty
10-10-2008, 05:08 PM
GO PHILLIES!