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Kirkus
11-09-2004, 02:17 AM
IMHO it's about damn time!

I suppose I understand the political necessity to wait until after the presidential election to begin an all-out assault on Fallujah and I think it's a good thing that we've finally gone in.

I hope it's swift and decisive, with few casualties.

Sebastien447
11-10-2004, 09:13 AM
Do you really believe that this action in Iraq has been dictated by our elections? ... and if so, how? Does it just seem that way to you, a theory ... or do have something substantial to prove your allegations? Not trying to start anything ... just curious ;D

Kirkus
11-12-2004, 11:08 AM
Do you really believe that this action in Iraq has been dictated by our elections? ... and if so, how? Does it just seem that way to you, a theory ... or do have something substantial to prove your allegations? Not trying to start anything ... just curious ;D


I absolutely believe it. Just makes sense that President Bush wouldn't want "22 American Soldiers killed in first 5 days of Fallujah assault" all over the media prior to the election.

(I didn't want to pay for the full LA Times article, but I did find the teaser and a MediaMatters.org excerpt.)

Teaser from the LA Times, Oct. 11, 2004:
THE CONFLICT IN IRAQ; Major Assaults on Hold Until After U.S. Vote; Attacks on Iraq's rebel-held cities will be delayed, officials say. But that could make it harder to allow wider, and more legitimate, Iraqi voting in January.; [HOME EDITION]
Mark Mazzetti. Los Angeles Times. Los Angeles, Calif.: Oct 11, 2004. pg. A.1

From MediaMatters.org:
Morning shows mostly mum on political timing of Fallujah offensive

Almost a month ago, Media Matters for America noted the media's near-total silence regarding an October 11 Los Angeles Times revelation that the Bush administration planned to delay major assaults on insurgent strongholds in Iraq until after the November 2 U.S. presidential election. Such major assaults could result in large numbers of U.S. military casualties. As MMFA noted at the time, no network TV news program mentioned the Times article.

On November 8, the top story on each of the major TV networks' morning shows was the U.S.-led forces' assault on Iraqi insurgents in Fallujah. ABC's Good Morning America and CBS's Early Show did not address the possible political timing of the assault; only NBC Today co-anchor Matt Lauer, in an interview with Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), raised the issue.

From the November 8 edition of NBC's Today:

LAUER: Let me ask you about the timing of this. It comes a week after elections, and critics are saying that U.S. officials didn't want to run the risk of more soldiers dying, more images of wounded and killed soldiers, from the battlefield in Iraq prior to those elections. Is that a fair assessment in your opinion?

GRAHAM: Well, I think it's pretty clear to anybody who was watching the elections that there was gonna be a major operation in Fallujah. What we tried to do with Prime Minister [Ayad] Allawi is to negotiate a political settlement like we did in the south with [cleric Muqtada] al-Sadr. It just hasn't worked, and we probably put this battle off too long, but --

LAUER: Yeah, this has been a hotbed of insurgent activity for a long time. It does appear this has been much delayed.

GRAHAM: Well, it's been delayed with the hope of trying to find a political settlement. We did that with Prime Minister Allawi in the south with al-Sadr. It just hasn't worked here, but the day of reckoning is here. That's the bottom line.

LAUER: You know, a lot of people are worried that because the buildup of this assault, Senator, took so long and it was talked about so often over the last several months, many of these insurgents have now fanned out and are in other cities and towns waiting to fight another day. Is that a real fear?

GRAHAM: Well, it is a real fear. I mean, the bottom line is when you see forces congregate and start to organize, you shouldn't let that happen. But there's a political dynamic here that you can't ignore. We tried to empower the moderate forces in Iraq and throughout the Middle East to deal with these folks, and we have to let them sort of pave the way. Militarily, it will be a joint operation. Politically, we have given a lot of authority to Prime Minister Allawi to avoid this day, but we were unsuccessful. So yes, we put it off too long, I think, in the past, but now we're gonna clean up this mess.

— K.B. & M.J.

Posted to the web on Monday November 8, 2004 at 4:34 PM EST

Kirkus
11-12-2004, 11:11 AM
IMHO it's about damn time!

I suppose I understand the political necessity to wait until after the presidential election to begin an all-out assault on Fallujah and I think it's a good thing that we've finally gone in.

I hope it's swift and decisive, with few casualties.
Just so my position isn't confusing: I still believe the war in Iraq is a bad war. Unjustified, etc. etc. But, we're there and we have to get it done and done right. If that means flexing our muscle than by-God let's do it.


I'm trying to reverse my D&G reputation. (Sorry. :-X I'm feeling better and a little spunky.)