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oploskoffie
04-19-2008, 10:25 AM
Yes, boxing. I like to watch a good fight (not a hugfest) from time to time and used to do a bit of kickboxing myself in the past. Just conditioning and friendly sparring, mind you ;) Anyways... I'm hoping there's one or two more people on TAT who follow or at least have an interest in the pugilistic arts.

Coming up tonight is the match between Joe Calzaghe and Bernard Hopkins. Arguably one of the fights of the year, it will either further enhance Hopkins' reputation, or finally validate Calzaghe as a great boxer. Who'd be your pick and why?

On the undercard of this fight there's one Audley Harrison. The 2000 Olympic gold medalist has had a stinker of a career thus far and has lost his last three fights, getting knocked out by the mediocre Michael Sprott in his last. He's fighting a guy with a 10-6 record tonight :o Any bets? Anyone?

oploskoffie
04-20-2008, 12:09 AM
I never really believed Calzaghe could pull it off, but... :shocked:

Joe Calzaghe recovered from a first-round knockdown to claim a contentious split-points decision victory over Bernard Hopkins in Las Vegas.

The Welshman, 36, was floored by a huge right hand in the opening exchanges and struggled to find his range early on.

Hopkins, 43, continued to have success with his right, but Calzaghe outworked him in the latter half of the fight. One judge scored it 114-113 to Hopkins, but the two others saw Calzaghe winning by wide margins of 115-112 and 116-111.

The win extends the Newbridge southpaw's unbeaten record to 45 fights, while Philadelphia's Hopkins falls to 48 wins, five defeats and one draw.

More: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/7355823.stm


I honestly don't care how old Hopkins is, the man is a fantastic boxer, technically perhaps the best out there at the moment. Going by the article, he lost because of complacency. It's definitely something you can fault him for; he should have finished the job in the first half of the fight. Still, kudos to Joe Calzaghe. There's talk of him fighting Roy Jones Jr. next, but I'd hope he'd go for a younger prospect. Eh... No time like the present to cash in on this success I suppose... :rolleyes:

oohsalmon
04-20-2008, 01:58 PM
Of all the major sports of the 20th century, boxing might be the deadest (at least in America). All the pay-per-view stuff took it out of the public eye. And the ultimate fighting crap has completely eclipsed it.

I used to watch Friday Night Fights some times on ESPN2, but it got too hard to keep track of.

patrick
04-20-2008, 02:59 PM
Of all the major sports of the 20th century, boxing might be the deadest (at least in America). All the pay-per-view stuff took it out of the public eye. And the ultimate fighting crap has completely eclipsed it.

I used to watch Friday Night Fights some times on ESPN2, but it got too hard to keep track of.


Agree on the boxing. In the 70s and 80s, there were some great fights and champions were not taking a long time b/w matches as they do today and sometimes, the same boxers faced each other in THE SAME YEAR.

Pierre1
07-15-2008, 12:26 AM
97 seconds. One of them was boxing.


Canseco knocked for a loop in boxing debut

By Steve Cofield

How many times will former athletes get into a boxing ring before they realize the sport is NOT easy? Not every big guy can be a boxer. The 6-foot-4, 248-lb. Jose Canseco, a former baseball slugger who has been at the center of the steroids controversy, found out quickly that you don't mess with someone who has legitimately worked on his fight game.

Former Philadelphia Eagle Vai Sikahema, 45, definitely has skills and showed them while pummeling Canseco in 97 seconds.

Sikahema, a Golden Gloves champ before his football career with more than 80 amateur fights, was giving away seven inches and 43 pounds. The size disadvantage had zero effect on what looked and sounded like a very angry Sikahema:

"He's a very impressive-looking guy. But the guy is a walking corpse, because he's rotted inside out. He's a pathetic figure."

Not only did Canseco insult boxers with this stunt, he actually had the gall before the fight to mention a mixed martial arts career. Canseco, 44, claims that he is a black belt in Kung Fu, Taekwando and Muay Thai:

"I wanted to get involved with MMA (mixed martial arts) and this is first step to it. Let's see what happens, how I do, how the fans like it. I'll have to see. If I go anything further than this I'll have to train a lot more, really take this serious. I really didn't take this serious at all. Hopefully we can have some fun."

Sikahema clearly wasn't on hand to have "fun" and Canseco learned that he'd better get serious if he ever tries it again. He may also want to stay away from Philly opponents:

"He came out here in first-class, (and is) flying home coach. That's how we roll in Philly," Sikahema said.

Canseco told Channel 10 NBC in Philly that he'd like to fight Sikahema again. If Sikahema won't do it, there's a line five miles long willing to challenge the former MLB slugger the next time around, according to Bernard Fernandez of the Philadelphia Daily News:

(Fight promoter Damon) Feldman said he has received nearly 2,000 e-mails from people who'd like a shot at Canseco, including, he claimed, third-party representatives professing to represent former champions Mike Rossman, Ray Mercer and Bobby Czyz. Canseco wisely has said he'd prefer not to mix it up with real pro fighters, at least not initially.

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/blog/box_experts/post/Canseco-knocked-for-a-loop-in-boxing-debut?urn=box,93737

morct
07-15-2008, 02:45 AM
George Kimball has a new boxing book out Mr. Koffie that you might be interested in - Four Kings: Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran and the Last Great Era of Boxing (http://www.amazon.com/Four-Kings-Leonard-Hagler-Hearns/dp/1590131622/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216115065&sr=1-1). It's been getting a lot of cover over here, mainly because he writes a column in the irish times, it sounds good.:)

missinandre
07-15-2008, 04:43 AM
It is impossible to watch boxing and truly enjoy a good fight :( Pay per view has just taken the joy out of the sport.

My husband and I used to watch boxing every weekend, being one of the few sports we both enjoyed but....at 40 or 50 or 60 bucks a fightnight....forget it. And I have little interest in watching a match that I've already read about in the paper.

oploskoffie
07-20-2008, 07:28 AM
George Kimball has a new boxing book out Mr. Koffie that you might be interested in - Four Kings: Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran and the Last Great Era of Boxing (http://www.amazon.com/Four-Kings-Leonard-Hagler-Hearns/dp/1590131622/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216115065&sr=1-1). It's been getting a lot of cover over here, mainly because he writes a column in the irish times, it sounds good.:)

That looks great, morct! :yes: I'll be in Utrecht in two weeks time and I'll be sure to check out some bookstores while I'm there. They tend to have a slightly better selection than my home town.

oploskoffie
07-20-2008, 07:31 AM
97 seconds. One of them was boxing.

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/blog/box_experts/post/Canseco-knocked-for-a-loop-in-boxing-debut?urn=box,93737

:hyst: :lipsrsealed:


The sad thing is he'll probably be back for more and get hurt again.

oploskoffie
07-20-2008, 07:39 AM
Of all the major sports of the 20th century, boxing might be the deadest (at least in America). All the pay-per-view stuff took it out of the public eye. And the ultimate fighting crap has completely eclipsed it.

I used to watch Friday Night Fights some times on ESPN2, but it got too hard to keep track of.

Is it really almost completely pay-per-view now? Surely there's some regional/local channels that feature fights between rising stars, journeymen, decent boxers without a realistic shot at any title and has-beens... :undecided:

Over here I can watch Eurosport for that. They broadcast a fair amount of fights from Germany, where there's still a pretty decent market for the sport. They also show fights from C-class Vegas casinos :rolleyes: and the occasional European title fight. The best thing about all the above is that they don't focus solely on the heavyweights. Most of the fighters in that weightclass, unfortunately, are out of shape and out of ideas and seriously dragging the sport down each time they take to the ring.

oploskoffie
07-27-2009, 06:04 AM
Just read about this :(

Former champion Forrest murdered

Former IBF welterweight and WBC light-middleweight world champion Vernon Forrest has been shot dead during an attempted robbery in America.

Forrest was shot several times after apparently confronting thieves at a petrol station in Atlanta, Georgia.

The 38-year-old, also a member of the 1992 US Olympic team, gained stardom in 2002 when he became the first man to defeat Sugar Shane Moseley.

More: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8169825.stm

mrjiggyfly2
07-27-2009, 06:32 AM
Just read about this :(

Former champion Forrest murdered

Former IBF welterweight and WBC light-middleweight world champion Vernon Forrest has been shot dead during an attempted robbery in America.

Forrest was shot several times after apparently confronting thieves at a petrol station in Atlanta, Georgia.

The 38-year-old, also a member of the 1992 US Olympic team, gained stardom in 2002 when he became the first man to defeat Sugar Shane Moseley.

More: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8169825.stm

Such a shame. Made all that money in such a tough business and didn't get to reap the benefits.

Omegadoom
07-27-2009, 08:39 AM
I saw on ESPN that he was not only a great fighter, but a giving and generous person to those in need. They said he had started an organization that helped mentally disabled children. and had put alot of his money and time into this.

The impact of his death goes far beyond boxing. These are the sad and senseless deaths that really do bother me. :(

oploskoffie
10-16-2010, 02:02 PM
Getting ready to watch Vitali Klitschko vs. Shannon Briggs online. Nobody is giving Briggs much of a chance, but you never know. Vitali is a very good boxer, but over his prime. Mind you, Briggs is only a year younger (I think)...

Interested in watching as well? Follow the link. You'll need to have Veetle installed (yeah, I know...) but the quality is good enough and the commentary is in English.

http://boxingguru.co.uk/gurutv.html

oploskoffie
10-16-2010, 02:18 PM
The ref looks like a flyweight :p Still, experienced guy, good for this fight. Hope Briggs can make Vitali work for it.

oploskoffie
10-16-2010, 02:43 PM
Briggs is hopeless. He just waddles around the ring a little, trying to find a gap for a sucker punch. Klitschko is far more active and landing some serious punches. Kudos to Briggs for still being on two feet, but apart from that...

suliso
10-16-2010, 02:59 PM
Not that I watch boxing with any regularity, but when was the last time someone was seriously threatening one of the Klitschko brothers? Seems like a very long time ago...

oploskoffie
10-16-2010, 03:09 PM
Not that I watch boxing with any regularity, but when was the last time someone was seriously threatening one of the Klitschko brothers? Seems like a very long time ago...

They've both had some losses, with Wladimir being the dumbest of the two, walking into big punches by Sanders and Brewster. Apart from that, they indeed haven't been seriously challenged much since Lennox Lewis was around. The heavyweight division is in a poor, poor state. I doubt David Haye will do much to change that, especially when you look at his choice of fights. I mean really: Audley Harrison? Because the British crowds want it? Harrison is a joke....

oploskoffie
10-16-2010, 03:28 PM
Klitschko wins. Unanimous decision over twelve rounds. Fight should've been stopped in the eighth. Please find a worthy opponent next time round.

Kirkus
10-16-2010, 10:35 PM
Didn't even know we had a boxing thread.

ptmcmahon
10-17-2010, 09:52 AM
I'll check back in if/when Pacquiao and Mayweather fight...otherwise boxing is of 0 interest to me.

Woody
10-17-2010, 10:14 AM
Haha, never seen this thread before! Yeah, I think boxing shot itself in the foot. PPV was sort of built around the Tyson brand, but they had no huge stars to justify it after he left. Collapse, and MMA swooped into the gap and their brand is bigger than the fighters themselves.

oploskoffie
11-13-2010, 10:39 AM
Two interesting matchups tonight. The quality match should be Pacquiao vs. Margarito. The match that could further damage the heavyweight division is Haye vs. Harrison. :rolleyes:

Anyways. There's a chance this could be Pacquiao's last match, regardless of the outcome. Freddie Roach has mentioned Pacquiao's increasing interest (and success) in his political career. Boxing will probably get cheated out of a match between him and Mayweather. Much like a match between Haye and either of the Klitchko brothers :(

oploskoffie
11-13-2010, 02:24 PM
Thank God. Haye just exposed Harrison for the lousy, negative boxer he is. 3d round victory. Now if Harrison would just go away, permanently...

ptmcmahon
11-13-2010, 02:32 PM
If Manny wins tonight he'll have more wins at Cowboys Stadium this year than the Cowboys do :) I only watch about 2-3 matches a year now...Manny's matches are usually included.

oploskoffie
11-13-2010, 02:38 PM
If Manny wins tonight he'll have more wins at Cowboys Stadium this year than the Cowboys do :) I only watch about 2-3 matches a year now...Manny's matches are usually included.

LOL :cheesy:

Hopefully I can find a live stream for Manny's match. And manage to get up in time :o

ptmcmahon
11-13-2010, 08:41 PM
Think fight should be coming soon...since it's a PPV, I won't post an actual link...but on channelsurfing.net there are a couple links. The one I'm watching is getting choppy though...must be picking up a few extra viewers.

ptmcmahon
11-13-2010, 09:04 PM
Missed round one...my first stream dropped.

Good second round for Margarito - getting some good shots in. Manny taking it well though too.

Better third round for Manny...I'm thinking they each got one of those two rounds.

ptmcmahon
11-13-2010, 09:11 PM
Dominant 4th by Manny...Margarito's face is really showing it already.

Appropriately, I'm watching UFC on the TV...MMA vs boxing fighting for my attention now.

ptmcmahon
11-13-2010, 09:19 PM
Through six Manny is definitely winning - but Margarito is not going away. Good fight so far.

ptmcmahon
11-13-2010, 09:40 PM
Huge mouse under Margarito's right eye...Manny is running away with the fight...probably 10 rounds to 1 going into the last round. Rare night I can say I'm enjoyin boxing more than MMA though...although MMA was free on spike (or sportsnet in Canada) UFC had 4 of 5 matches farely non-exciting decisions, with only one exciting fight - plus at least in Canada, they stopped the broadcast 30 minutes early instead of showing prelims too...boo.

ptmcmahon
11-13-2010, 09:45 PM
Apparently church in the Phillipes was postponed for this match :)

120-108, 118-110, 119-109 are the final scores...sixth weight class he's won a title in.

Today (not the official weighins) Manny weighed in at 148...Margartio 165

oploskoffie
11-14-2010, 12:53 AM
Great result for Manny! And you got to watch, ptmcmahon! :) I just looked at some of the photographs around the web and they add to your words nicely ;) There was also some talk about pre-match controversy regarding Margarito's tapes and the possibility of him using ephedra? Good grief...

ptmcmahon
11-14-2010, 11:08 AM
Actually I think it was Manny's gloves they were complaining about. I guess Roach wanted Margarito to have a drug test right before the fight but the commission refused. They didn't show this on the feed I was on but guess they were pretty upset before the match.

oploskoffie
12-01-2010, 06:38 AM
Dumb as a brick: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/9247061.stm

tinamarie
07-02-2011, 03:48 PM
Good job, Wladimir. I never cared much about boxing before, but picked up a random English newspaper at the airport feat. an interview with Hayes and his arrogance and pathetic trash talking made me actually tune it tonight to see him lose. ( So yeah, I guess the promotion worked.) Good fight from both, deserving winner.

rabbit
07-02-2011, 03:54 PM
Good job, Wladimir. I never cared much about boxing before, but picked up a random English newspaper at the airport feat. an interview with Hayes and his arrogance and pathetic trash talking made me actually tune it tonight to see him lose. ( So yeah, I guess the promotion worked.) Good fight from both, deserving winner.

I watched it too, and enjoyed the Klitschko win!

oploskoffie
07-02-2011, 04:38 PM
Yup. Well done Wlad. Haye didn't have anything close to a new game plan and he was too hesitant to follow through on any combination he managed to land. Technically decent fight for sure, though I'd have liked more fireworks from both.

Who the bleep are the Klitchko's going to fight now? Not many real options left if they still won't fight each other :rolleyes:

Edmond Dantès
07-02-2011, 04:55 PM
Haye is a decent fighter. He would probably be one of the top guys at cruiserweight. Can't really criticise him that much for challenging himself by taking on these bigger men. it's just almost impossible to bridge that kind of weight and reach advantage.

With due respect to the Klitschko brothers, who are very good at what they do, it's not a result that does anything to stimulate the heavyweight division. It will continue to be what it's become since around the time Lewis retired - very very dull.

tinamarie
07-03-2011, 01:47 AM
Yup. Well done Wlad. Haye didn't have anything close to a new game plan and he was too hesitant to follow through on any combination he managed to land. Technically decent fight for sure, though I'd have liked more fireworks from both.

Who the bleep are the Klitchko's going to fight now? Not many real options left if they still won't fight each other :rolleyes:

No if. They won't. This truly seems to be a case of love over money.



Haye is a decent fighter. He would probably be one of the top guys at cruiserweight. Can't really criticise him that much for challenging himself by taking on these bigger men. it's just almost impossible to bridge that kind of weight and reach advantage.

With due respect to the Klitschko brothers, who are very good at what they do, it's not a result that does anything to stimulate the heavyweight division. It will continue to be what it's become since around the time Lewis retired - very very dull.

I see your point. No real challenger in sight and the Klitschkos don't really have that much star appeal, except of course here in Germany where they seem to be just unanimously loved. They are on TV A LOT, commercials, cameos in movies/shows and now they even have a documentary on them playing in the theatres. Yesterday, some expert said the Klitschkos made heavy weight boxing big (again) in Germany and he is right. I just don't really know why.

suliso
07-03-2011, 01:53 AM
I see your point. No real challenger in sight and the Klitschkos don't really have that much star appeal, except of course here in Germany where they seem to be just unanimously loved. They are on TV A LOT, commercials, cameos in movies/shows and now they even have a documentary on them playing in the theatres. Yesterday, some expert said the Klitschkos made heavy weight boxing big (again) in Germany and he is right. I just don't really know why.

Do they live/have lived in Germany or maybe speak German? If not then it's a bit puzzling...

Being big stars in Germany is not such a bad deal ;)

rabbit
07-03-2011, 02:09 AM
Do they live/have lived in Germany or maybe speak German? If not then it's a bit puzzling...

Being big stars in Germany is not such a bad deal ;)

I know for sure Wladimir lived in Germany for some time and in fact, turned professional there.

tinamarie
07-03-2011, 02:33 AM
Do they live/have lived in Germany or maybe speak German? If not then it's a bit puzzling...

Being big stars in Germany is not such a bad deal ;)

They have lived in Hamburg for years now (also residing in Kiev though) and as rabbit said, they turned professional with a German promoter. Therefore, yes, they also speak German, and both certainly are major factors to their popularity.

Cray_Fish
09-18-2014, 12:18 AM
I like to watch female boxing :lipsrsealed:

ponchi101
05-02-2015, 08:44 AM
If you are going to watch tonight's fight (Mayweather/Pacquiao) this may be interesting (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/01/floyd-mayweather-dickipedia_n_7185034.html?cps=gravity_2685_-4334587530789949937) (strong language).

Or this (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/01/floyd-mayweather-dickipedia_n_7185034.html?cps=gravity_2685_-4334587530789949937) (Keith Olbermann, which is kind of the same as strong language)

ptmcmahon
05-02-2015, 05:13 PM
Four years since a real post, that tells you all you need to know about the state of boxing.. That said I will (hopefully) be watching tonight.

Ti-Amie
05-02-2015, 05:45 PM
The big story seems to be that Mayweather's organization, in control of credentials, has banned to female reporters who reported extensively on his domestic abuse issues. They then tried to say they didn't ban anyone.

Rachel Nichols explains events leading up to her being banned for Mayweather vs. Pacquiao
By Tyler Tynes @TylerRickyTynes on May 2, 2015, 8:04p

Rachel Nichols and Michelle Beadle were originally banned from receiving a media credential for the fight of the century between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao. Nichols took to Twitter to explain the entirety of what happened leading up to today's events:

Have had a bunch of folks asking questions about the Mayweather issue. Here's what happened: After asking tough questions of Floyd Mayweather on my program, I was not offered press credentials to cover tonight's fight. In an email dated April 23, I was told I would only be credentialed for the run-up events through the week, but in bold, italic letters the email stated "you do not have any access Saturday to any services or events." A CNN producer revisited the issue with the Mayweather camp on April 29, confirming to Mayweather's publicist that I would be in Las Vegas, and the publicist replied that I would still be denied a fight night credential. I was told the same thing when I arrived at the credential office in person on May 1, by two separate officials, in front of several other people. It doesn't surprise me that now, after facing significant backlash, the Mayweather camp has reversed its position. But despite this, and other outside parties generously offering me their seats, I will not attend the fight. I will also not let fear of retaliation prevent me from asking the tough questions the public deserves answers to in the future.

In order:

1) April 23 she was told she would only have access to events leading up to the fight but nothing on Saturday.

2) A CNN producer revisited the topic April 29 but the Mayweather camp still denied her access.

3) On May 1, two separate officials reminded her, in front of a crowd, that she wasn't going to have access to the event.

4) And despite many outlets and people giving up their seats for her, in protest she won't be attending or covering the fight. However, she will still be asking the hard-hitting questions that led to her eventual dismissal.

This is just going to keep getting worse for the Mayweather camp. But somehow, in a devilish public relations sort of way, this might get more people to watch this super-fight.

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/5/2/8537873/rachel-nichols-explains-events-leading-up-to-her-being-banned-for

Correspondent Kiu
05-03-2015, 12:16 PM
Heard in news today that some fans were trying to pay the $100 pay per view fee but late subscribers were not able to do so, apparently high traffic!

I didn't pay or watch but news said it was not much, no knock downs.
Mayweather keeps his good name too.

Drop-shot
05-03-2015, 02:22 PM
Whatever Mayweather has done to gain the title, I just don't see it. Sure he might avoid getting punched, but otherwise, he does nothing.

ptmcmahon
05-03-2015, 04:56 PM
He is so good at avoiding getting punched that he only had to do very little to win. Some of the stats were pretty silly last night. Think Manny connected on less than 10% of his jabs... And only had three rounds with double digits punches landed. It's boring but such totally dominating defense you can't possibly score for his helpless opponents. Sounds like he's going for one more fight... But I think the extra money to go 50 and 0 and beat Rocky Marciano well motivate him for two more fights.

The defining image for the fight for me was after when he was jawing with the crowd while Manny was smiling at everyone and getting cheered.

fastbackss
05-06-2015, 06:14 AM
I heard a very credible boxing person saying that Floyd is the ultimate dichotomy. In his personal life he is all about risks...financial/driving fast/relationships with women - but in the ring he is the opposite. He is so calculating, so cerebral in how he works his opponent.

Colin Cowherd was saying yesterday that one thing that is underrated in the best boxers (Sugar Ray/Ali) is their ability to "manipulate" a judge - by knowing when to expend their energy and work their opponent. Mayweather falls into that category.

And while I am here - I don't blame Pac one iota for not declaring he had a shoulder injury...

mmmm8
05-06-2015, 06:44 AM
And while I am here - I don't blame Pac one iota for not declaring he had a shoulder injury...

I didn't realize this was a rule until I saw an article. That's crazy, why would you make your weaknesses known?

Anyway, it was a comically boring fight between a really bad person and a somewhat bad person (I give Pacquiao some slack for cultural differences). Glad I saw it for free (thanks, Russian TV) - can't believe the pay-per-view cost was $100!

ptmcmahon
05-06-2015, 06:52 AM
Colin Cowherd was saying yesterday that one thing that is underrated in the best boxers (Sugar Ray/Ali) is their ability to "manipulate" a judge - by knowing when to expend their energy and work their opponent. Mayweather falls into that category.

If anything I think the judges would have been manipulated by the crowd cheering for Pacquiao the couple times he did land a punch. Two judges giving Manny four rounds at all was extremely generous. I gave him three and one was the last round because Mayweather was basically celebrating...not for Manny actually doing anything.

Drop-shot
05-06-2015, 10:14 AM
I didn't realize this was a rule until I saw an article. That's crazy, why would you make your weaknesses known?

Anyway, it was a comically boring fight between a really bad person and a somewhat bad person (I give Pacquiao some slack for cultural differences). Glad I saw it for free (thanks, Russian TV) - can't believe the pay-per-view cost was $100!

Argie govt also aired it free! Taxes at work!